Why is it wrong to marry father's wife but allright to marry adopted son's wife?

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Why is it wrong to marry father's wife but allright to marry adopted son's wife?
OP - November 27, 2009, 10:41 AM

Here are two Quranic verses:

The first one prohibits marriage to women who had ever been married to a man's father, although she might not be his mother & no blood relation.

Quran 4:22 "And marry not those women whom your fathers married, except what hath already happened (of that nature) in the past. Lo! it was ever lewdness and abomination, and an evil way."

This sort of marriage is very strongly condemned, as lewdness, abomination & evil way.

But then, Quran allows man to marry his adopted son's wife, & supposedly Allah gave Zeyd's wife to Muhammad for only that reason.

33:37 And when thou saidst unto him on whom Allah hath conferred favour and thou hast conferred favour: Keep thy wife to thyself, and fear Allah. And thou didst hide in thy mind that which Allah was to bring to light, and thou didst fear mankind whereas Allah hath a better right that thou shouldst fear Him. So when Zeyd had performed that necessary formality (of divorce) from her, We gave her unto thee in marriage, so that (henceforth) there may be no sin for believers in respect of wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have performed the necessary formality (of release) from them. The commandment of Allah must be fulfilled.[/b]

Why is one wrong, & another right? Both women are married to men with whom a man has special ties, but both women may be unrelated & compatible for marriage.If one is lewd, abominable & evil, so is another.

Why did Allah allow one & oppose another?

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Reply #1 - November 27, 2009, 11:48 AM

I would suppose it has something to do with Islam's obsession with paternal bloodlines and the fact that adoption is not recognized within Islam (oh, so conveniently for the Prophet!).

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Reply #2 - November 27, 2009, 11:51 AM

Quote from: Nour on November 27, 2009, 11:48 AM
I would suppose it has something to do with Islam's obsession with paternal bloodlines and the fact that adoption is not recognized within Islam (oh, so conveniently for the Prophet!).

So a child living in an unloving institution is oh-so-much better than being in a family.

Once again the depravity of Islam shows no bounds.

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Reply #3 - November 27, 2009, 01:00 PM

It's not that adoption isn't recognized, it's that an adopted child shouldn't take on the name of his adopted parents.

Quote from: Qur'an 33:4-5
...Nor has He made your adopted sons your (biological) sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. Call them by (the names of) their fathers; that is juster in the sight of Allah. But if you know not their father's (names, call them) your brothers in faith, or your trustees. But there is no blame on you if you make a mistake therein. (What counts is) the intention of your hearts. And Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

via http://islam.about.com/cs/parenting/a/adoption.htm (I haven't read this.)

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Reply #4 - November 27, 2009, 01:04 PM

Its sad because this is one instance wherein Islam does try to be very humane, by numerous warnings to deal justly with orphans, but the best thing to do for orphans is most often adopt them, and that vital thing is disallowed.

In some nations like Norway & Sweden, more than 1% of all children are adopted children.Norwegian & Swedish society is very liberal, but I think even they would find it immoral should women marry their adopted daughter's ex husbands & men their adopted son's ex wife.

Quote from: awais on November 27, 2009, 01:00 PM
It's not that adoption isn't recognized, it's that an adopted child shouldn't take on the name of his adopted parents.

I'll post the ayah when I find it.

Many people have no surnames, like the Burmese, the Javanese, the Icelanders etc, with or without taking the name of adopted parents, an adopted child is treated very like biological child by his\her adopted parents on a daily basis, thats why most people would find marrying their ex spouse as "Ewww" as marrying a biological child's spouse.

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Reply #5 - November 27, 2009, 01:06 PM

Well I don't think it was surnames that was meant in 7th century Arabia. More like saying that so-and-so was the son of so-and-so when it wasn't so. ie Orphan ibn Adopter.

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Reply #6 - November 27, 2009, 01:17 PM

Quote from: awais on November 27, 2009, 01:06 PM
Orphan ibn Adopter.

Orphan ibn Adopter! That one sounds funny.

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Reply #7 - November 27, 2009, 03:22 PM

its nothing to to with male blood lines at all. It is to do with genetic inbreeding. Adoption does exist in Islam but isn't mis-named. You can take in and care for an adopted! child but he or she retains their name and identity (and technically a non related member of that family unit along the line can freely marry as there is no chance of genetic deformity etc. Its a nit picking issue (as with most of what you discuss here) but it makes sense in those one in a million cases

As for marrying your fathers former wife or mothers former husband. Get a life!
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Reply #8 - November 27, 2009, 05:01 PM

Quote from: doubtfool on November 27, 2009, 03:22 PM
its nothing to to with male blood lines at all. It is to do with genetic inbreeding. Adoption does exist in Islam but isn't mis-named. You can take in and care for an adopted! child but he or she retains their name and identity (and technically a non related member of that family unit along the line can freely marry as there is no chance of genetic deformity etc. Its a nit picking issue (as with most of what you discuss here) but it makes sense in those one in a million cases

As for marrying your fathers former wife or mothers former husband. Get a life!

I think what you said is correct, Muslims are allowed to take in an orphan or child without family and raise them, but that child retains its identity. In Islam, the orphan must know that the family that takes it in is not its biological one so he/she can therefore marry within the family as mentioned.

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Reply #9 - November 27, 2009, 05:54 PM

Quote from: doubtfool on November 27, 2009, 03:22 PM
its nothing to to with male blood lines at all. It is to do with genetic inbreeding. Adoption does exist in Islam but isn't mis-named. You can take in and care for an adopted! child but he or she retains their name and identity (and technically a non related member of that family unit along the line can freely marry as there is no chance of genetic deformity etc. Its a nit picking issue (as with most of what you discuss here) but it makes sense in those one in a million cases

As for marrying your fathers former wife or mothers former husband. Get a life!

Genetic deformity & Islamic inbreeding! Hahaha!

Don't even get me started on that one!

Islamic nations are notorious for first cousin marriages & the many genetic illnesses which crop up with first cousin marriages.

Islam forbids marriages with milk sisters(ones who have been nursed by the same wet nurse) although it has no genetic ill effects but prohibits frst cousin marriages.

I made an entire thread on that one:

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4767.0

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Reply #10 - November 27, 2009, 06:02 PM

Quote from: doubtfool on November 27, 2009, 03:22 PM
its nothing to to with male blood lines at all. It is to do with genetic inbreeding. Adoption does exist in Islam but isn't mis-named. You can take in and care for an adopted! child but he or she retains their name and identity (and technically a non related member of that family unit along the line can freely marry as there is no chance of genetic deformity etc. Its a nit picking issue (as with most of what you discuss here) but it makes sense in those one in a million cases

As for marrying your fathers former wife or mothers former husband. Get a life!

Here's Islamic genetics & Islam's superior knowledge of genetics doubtfool!

Fatima married her first cousin, Ali. Inbreeding has a higher chance of causing genetic abnormalities, especially consistent inbreeding. By allowing Fatima to marry Ali, Mohammed has made it seem perfectly fine (possibly even encouraged) first cousin marriage.

Problems in Saudi due to inbreeding-
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=980DE0DF1F3DF932A35756C0A9659C8B63
Problems in Pakistan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010.stm

It is ironic that first cousin marriages are ok yet those who have been suckled by the same person are not allowed to marry-

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 48, Number 828:
Narrated 'Uqba bin Al-Harith:

I married a woman and later on a woman came and said, "I suckled you both." So, I went to the Prophet (to ask him about it). He said, "How can you (keep her as a wife) when it has been said (that you were foster brother and sister)? Leave (divorce) her. "

Its possible to tell an adopted son or daughter that he\she is adopted without marrying their ex spouse, you know!

Marrying their ex spouse will not reduce the risks of any inbreeding!

Telling them that they're adopted is good enough!

In case of both father\mother's ex spouse & adopted children's ex spouse, there's often no blood relation involved, but such an act is rightly considered vulgar by most societies even today.

There was no reason for Muhammad to strongly condemn one but want to so encourage another that he had to marry his ex daughter in law!

Its your attempts at apologetics that needs to improve.

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Reply #11 - November 27, 2009, 06:08 PM

Wittgenstein concluded that the over -use of exclamation marks is syntactically akin to laughing at your own jokes.

You've hopefully got a long life ahead of you Rashna, may aswell take note of it now! Whoops.

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Reply #12 - November 27, 2009, 06:19 PM

Now that I think about it, are Ali and Fatimah first or second cousins. Seems in the middle to me. 1.5 cousins

Abdullah
Abu Talib
brothers
Muhammad
Ali
cousins
Fatima

Hasan and Husayn were Fatima's sons, but also her second cousins .

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