Hajj, who's made it?

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Hajj, who's made it?
OP - November 30, 2009, 07:19 AM

Have you made Hajj? Are you going to? I haven't, though I'd like to go, if not just to see the sites. Maybe make an Umrah, see the sites without the crowds.

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Re: Hajj, who's made it?
Reply #1 - November 30, 2009, 08:13 AM

I've been on umrah when I was like 8 years old. Remember very little. I might do umrah one day just for adventure purposes.

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Reply #2 - November 30, 2009, 09:33 AM

I've done hajj in 2001 and recently umrah only a few months ago. I've promised Islame that I would post a report on it ....I get my backside in gear and sort it out ASAP.

BTW I was still "muslim" back in 2001, but i returned very disillusioned with Islam at the time ( I kept saying to myself it wasnt Islam but muslims that were at fault)

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Reply #3 - November 30, 2009, 09:36 AM

I havent done either Hajj nor Ummrah, but I too may want to do at least an Ummrah just for "tourism" purposes although I would prefer if someone outside family pays the Saudi government for my "trip" rather than myself.

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Reply #4 - November 30, 2009, 09:39 AM

I performed Umrah in 1993 just before I got married. It was fairly quiet when I went. The Kaaba is huge.
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Reply #5 - November 30, 2009, 09:43 AM

Btw, how do they know if you're a Muslim or not? I mean, if you're a non-Muslim and very knowledgeable about Islam, how do they know that you're actually a non-Muslim?

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Reply #6 - November 30, 2009, 09:47 AM

I think it depends on what nationality and passport you hold. I know in Pakistand for example, the Ahmadi community are classed as non-muslims and it's declared on their passport. On an EU passport there isn't a section for religion so I don't think there is any means for checking.
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Reply #7 - November 30, 2009, 12:44 PM

They can detect Pork in the blood... simple blood test. If you have it in your blood, then you are screwed!

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Reply #8 - November 30, 2009, 04:01 PM

I did Umrah twice when I was young (I think 7-9 years ago)
If I managed to come out to my family as a kaffir before I get the opportunity to do Hajj, I will probably no do it. But if I stayed a closet, I will have no excuse. Though I hope I get the balls to come out.

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Reply #9 - November 30, 2009, 10:57 PM

I've done Umrah. Madina was lovely.
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Reply #10 - November 30, 2009, 11:00 PM

Done Umrah. Remember it being rather hot. Was 15. Marinda is a nice drink. Mountain Dew too. Funny how the cars horn around mecca but not at Madina. People really are silly sometimes. I wonder how much opening and closing shops all day costs the economy.

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Reply #11 - November 30, 2009, 11:04 PM

A read that you might enjoy is Burton's Person Narrative of a Pilgrimage. He was an Englishman who disguised himself as an Afghan and made the Hajj back in the 19th century. Interesting read, for not only a different but a historical persepective as well.

http://books.google.com/books?id=G5HzgGiA44cC&lpg=PA36&ots=3yadI_Tuer&dq=burton%20jangli%20hind%20talk%20oneself%20to%20sleep&pg=PR32#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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I saw this on a link from a Malaysian blogger, its one of his videos. Could not tell exactly from the web site, but I think this is the English dub, not sure. The tone is harsher than I would agree with, but I agree with the way he talks of the waste. Esp coming from South East Asians. I've seen many so poor, who spend their life savings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-SJZStqwl8&feature=player_embedded

also, the comments....are what you'd expect

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Reply #12 - November 30, 2009, 11:11 PM

video makes a good point, although I would argue that Hajj provides these people with the most valuable commodity of all, i.e. hope, to these miserable people,

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Reply #13 - November 30, 2009, 11:29 PM

I have done Umrah and it was a horrid unspiritual experience. In fact it confirmed my apostacy and convinced me never to go back to Saudi. I can't think of a single redeeming feature, the whole thing was shite, including the food. What a shithole that place is.

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Reply #14 - December 01, 2009, 12:30 AM

I thought the food was alright. It was sixteen years ago though, maybe things have changed.
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Reply #15 - December 01, 2009, 12:25 PM

Quote from: IsLame on November 30, 2009, 11:11 PM
video makes a good point, although I would argue that Hajj provides these people with the most valuable commodity of all, i.e. hope, to these miserable people,

Hope is ok and it is not absolutely valuable as we make it up to be.

When you make people hope for things they can not achieve, you will cause depression/misery. When you make people hope for things they can not achieve, as well as cost them resources, then not just you will make them miserable and depressed, but you will cost them resources as well.

Much better to have people set their hopes on sending their kids to get educated, or save their money to get a larger house. Or to buy a trcuk to drive around and make more money. As the person in the video said, to make this world a better place.

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Reply #16 - December 01, 2009, 12:27 PM

Btw, once I am done destroying the notion of hope, next I will proceed to destroy your notion of free-will.

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