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 Topic: The Million $ Question

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  • The Million $ Question
     OP - November 30, 2009, 11:42 PM

    What do you do/are you supposed to say when a respectful Muslim asks you;

    "Why did you leave Islam?"

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  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #1 - November 30, 2009, 11:45 PM

    Simple - just say after a lengthy process of study and reflection I decided it wasn't for me. Or just say 'I take a dim view of sex mad warlords who claim to be role models for humanity'

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #2 - November 30, 2009, 11:45 PM

    I started to Think For Myself instead of letting others do my Thinking.

    Challenge All Ideologies but don't Hate People.
  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #3 - November 30, 2009, 11:46 PM

    Depends on how much time you have to explain and where you guys are. If it's at a party or something, I just say "It's a long story" and give them my e-mail to talk about it later. But if we have a lot of time in our hands, then we engage in a lengthy discussion.

    You owe me a million dollars now.

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #4 - November 30, 2009, 11:51 PM

    Hmm... I tend to say that I find the concept of God incoherent and unecessary and as such Islam and other religions are simple casualties.
  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #5 - November 30, 2009, 11:53 PM

    .. I just say "It's a long story" and give them my e-mail to talk about it later...

    You owe me a million dollars now.

    The readies go to the person with the best answer (now get to the back of the queue  grin12)

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  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #6 - November 30, 2009, 11:54 PM

    What are readies?

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #7 - November 30, 2009, 11:59 PM

    the wonga

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  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #8 - December 01, 2009, 12:02 AM

    What are readies?

    immediately disposable i.e. cash (you need to do a crash course on cockney)

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  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #9 - December 01, 2009, 12:43 AM

    What do you do/are you supposed to say when a respectful Muslim asks you;

    "Why did you leave Islam?"


    "I didn't leave Islam. Whatever religious falsehood was imposed unknowingly and unquestioningly as a child simply drifted away from me like dust in the wind when I was exposed to the beautiful seasons of life"

    Something like that ^^^


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #10 - December 01, 2009, 12:52 AM

    the truth

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #11 - December 01, 2009, 01:22 AM

    I tell them exactly this

    "I'd rather shove a broken glass bottle infected with ebola up my ass than live one more second of my only life following the edicts of a sex-crazed 7th century arab warlord"

    Then I just run.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #12 - December 01, 2009, 02:12 AM

    "God led me astray" and quote 16:93.
    I haven't used it yet though, but I guess it should work.  Wink

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #13 - December 01, 2009, 05:55 AM

    I'm so glad you made this thread, IsLame. I've only 'come out' to a couple of my liberal Muslim friends who already accept that Islam is a flawed religion and kind of expected my apostasy. But I really need a solid response for when my orthodox Muslim friends find out.

    Simple - just say after a lengthy process of study and reflection I decided it wasn't for me. Or just say 'I take a dim view of sex mad warlords who claim to be role models for humanity'


    I started to Think For Myself instead of letting others do my Thinking.


    Depends on how much time you have to explain and where you guys are. If it's at a party or something, I just say "It's a long story" and give them my e-mail to talk about it later. But if we have a lot of time in our hands, then we engage in a lengthy discussion.


    "God led me astray" and quote 16:93.
    I haven't used it yet though, but I guess it should work.  Wink


    These are brilliant suggestions, guys. Will definitely consider them when the situation arises.

    A lot, if not most, Muslims think that apostates only leave Islam because they were too lazy and weak to adhere to the 'Islamic' lifestyle, and just need to rid themselves of a guilty conscience in order to justify their sins. So I would definitely address that characterization, since it definitely wasn't true at all in my case.

    Here are some responses I'm considering:

    • Well, I don't support the torture of human beings under any circumstance. Once I realized that in the Quran, Allah commands the believers to torture their fellow beings (point to 24:2 as one example), I concluded that such a god could not qualify as the Most Compassionate and the Most Merciful, and certainly is not worthy of worship.

    • To me, human rights and the rights of the child are inviolable. Once I found out that torture and child marriage are part of the Sunnah (point to relevant sahih ahadith concerning stoning and the marriage to Aisha), I realized that the Prophet's moral example is far from perfect, and leaves much room for improvement. There are certain aspects of his life that humanity is better off by not emulating and rejecting outright.

    Let me know if these are any good. They seem kinda long and awkward, but I want to avoid antagonizing whoever's asking and return a respectful question with a respectful answer.

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    - Amir Khusro
  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #14 - December 01, 2009, 06:36 AM

    Those are great responses--they are all are great responses. But something you must always keep in mind is the situation. Trust me, if you give a specific answer, like "I left cause I don't agree with 4:36" kinda answer, then expect a counter-argument--however flawed it may be. Next thing you know, you've wasted what was supposed to be a fun night, trying to justify to someone of your personal decision.

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: The Million $ Question
     Reply #15 - December 01, 2009, 09:52 AM

    I agree with Tommy - you can be too specific as they will come up with a counter argument and then expect you to return to the religion/or not leave you alone.  Specific arguments also make it sound like you left the religion for only 1 or 2 reasons.

    What I tend to do is say I came to the conclusion that Islam was man-made.  Then if they ask why, I point them to the link to my blog in my signature.  After they have read it, thy NEVER, NEVER EVER come back with an argument - its over 17 pages long, so at the very least they leave the conversation knowing I did not make the decision lightly or without enough good reasons.

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