Heliocentrism and Islam

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Re: Heliocentrism and Islam
Reply #30 - December 12, 2009, 12:00 PM

This One hurts ras, it really hurts the sides.

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Reply #31 - December 12, 2009, 12:46 PM

Quote from: BlackDog on December 12, 2009, 10:11 AM
LMAO

@Kafirist. This certainly is the best one so far. Even if some Prophet was mentioned from the western hemisphere that would have been interesting.
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Reply #32 - December 12, 2009, 02:19 PM

Quote from: ras111 on December 12, 2009, 10:59 AM
According to some Islamic scholars, Colombus discovered Native Americans who spoke Arabic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzAVOAa59EA

This just pisses me off. I can't even laugh :( I'm just mad. Does this shit really happen? Please post more incredulous videos.
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Reply #33 - December 12, 2009, 03:08 PM

There are even worse ones.... Apparently Muslim did more then just discover America according to this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSXWBfBKLzY

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Reply #34 - December 12, 2009, 08:42 PM

Quote from: ras111 on December 12, 2009, 10:59 AM
According to some Islamic scholars, Colombus discovered Native Americans who spoke Arabic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzAVOAa59EA

That is unbelievably retarded. Does this guy have 24 hour home care to help him wipe his arse?

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Reply #35 - December 12, 2009, 08:46 PM

Mashallah, i'm in awe of the intellectual prowess of the ummah.

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Reply #36 - December 14, 2009, 08:27 AM

I remember once reading about someone claiming Arabs discovering America (and calling it Ameerka) lunacy in a local newspaper around 13 years back.

and guess who was the person who said that?

Muammar Qaddafi

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Reply #37 - December 14, 2009, 08:48 AM

What a coincidence, the Arabs named it after Amerigo Vespucci also.
Amazing.

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Reply #38 - December 14, 2009, 09:25 AM

Quote from: ras111 on December 12, 2009, 03:08 PM
There are even worse ones.... Apparently Muslim did more then just discover America according to this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSXWBfBKLzY

when did Wilford Brimley convert to islam?

I just dont think I can take the stupid anymore
It is overwhelming.

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Reply #39 - December 14, 2009, 12:00 PM

Quote from: Homer on December 14, 2009, 08:48 AM
What a coincidence, the Arabs named it after Amerigo Vespucci also.
Amazing.

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America was certainly not named after Amerigo Vespucci. This is because newly discovered places were only named after a person's first name if they were Royal (such as the Philipines after Phillip II of Spain). Because he was not royal, if it was named after him, it would have been called Vespuccia or something similar, after his surname.

There was a Welshman called Richard Amerike who sponsored the voyages of Bristol sailors, and was the sponsor of John Cabot's voyage to America. There is a good chance it was named after him.

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Reply #40 - December 14, 2009, 12:12 PM

Exactly, I was going to mention Amerigo. It's hilarious. They won't be able to tell you how the Indians got to America, because they don't have the means to. They won't tell you about Columbus thinking it was Asia, so for him it wasn't even America. They won't tell you about the difference between North American Indians and South American Indians. They won't tell you about the differences between all the different tribes. But they will tell you somehow Arabs made it to America. That Arabic was a universal language 200 years ago. Even though Christopher Columbus was in America in 1492. So more than 200 years ago. Arabic is only lingua franca in Islam. And even that is not saying much, most Muslims are not Arabs and most don't even speak it or understand it, they can read sure, but they don't know what they are saying. The middle-east or Arabs or Islam for that matter wouldn?t have had the impact it has had it not been for the oil in the middle-east. Which they didn?t discover either (as far as I know). Fucking outrageous claims not backed up by any accurate historical facts or by scientific means.

Out of curiosity, how did Columbus communicate with the Natives when he first arrived?

There is a wiki article on this issue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_Andalusian-Americas_contact_theories

Wiki article on pre-columbian trans-oceanic contact::
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact
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Reply #41 - December 14, 2009, 01:16 PM

Quote from: ras111 on December 12, 2009, 03:08 PM
There are even worse ones.... Apparently Muslim did more then just discover America according to this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSXWBfBKLzY

Just some comments, I cant bother to watch all of it.

They all returned? There is no proof of any of these ships? Why would they return? Would they not have to spread Islam? This other Indian that came from another tribe, he spoke Arabic but you assume he would speak the same language of the other tribe? Why is there no information from these tribes about these settlers? Why is there no archaeological proof? Yet there is of a pre-Columbus Norse voyage.

Where did they get the means to travel? Where are the ship/travel logs? How come there are no other objective, external proofs of this? How come this was a mostly unknown fact until recent? How can one travel all that way and then not explore the entire western hemisphere. Where is the proof of the gold found? Of the treasures? How come they didn?t bring any vegetables, fruits with them? How come the distance travelled and returned is so short? How come there are no maps corroborating this?

This man is neither a historian nor an archaeologist. Its as if I would debate about psychology, my major is in IT. Would he accept that as scholarly?

Dr. Abdullah Hakim Quick is not an archaeologist either he has degrees in African history but not American history nor European history. He says "has a phd in history, by the way" but he does not mention what history.

"anybody who is a sincere historian...." SINCERE? You mean to use words such as academic, scholarly, critical, objective. What the fuck is a sincere historian? Shouldn?t all historians be sincere historians? But it doesn?t automatically make you a good historian, no matter how sincere you are.
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Reply #42 - December 25, 2009, 02:24 AM

Quote from: ras111 on December 12, 2009, 10:59 AM
According to some Islamic scholars, Colombus discovered Native Americans who spoke Arabic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzAVOAa59EA

Fascinating - he took the Arabs along as interpreters to speak with the Indians, but why - did he know he was going to speak with Arabic speakers? I wonder how he knew he would need them.
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Reply #43 - December 25, 2009, 09:22 AM

@santoku
hahahahahah *facepalm* i didnt think of that

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This is why religious people stay on their Island, because any interaction with the ocean or other islands (which they go to only for resources) means drowning or dying.

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Re: Heliocentrism and Islam
Reply #44 - March 14, 2011, 01:20 AM

Quote from: Iblis on December 12, 2009, 08:12 AM

*kafirist goes into a epilectic siezure and begins speaking as if possessed*

Surah 145:
1 And lo Allah the most merciful has sent Mo as a mercy unto ye,
2 So that ye may knowest that he the most high, the all knowing
3 Knows of some pagan heathens that liveth among the trees far far to the west
4 For Allah knowest all things, creator, the magnificent!
5 And these Pagans ye will seek out, for Allah's command is enjoined upon all the Muslimeen!
6 But ye will need sea going vessels to crosseth the oceans, for Allah made the ocean wide
7 Wide oceans pleaseth allah, and didest allah mention the dunya is round? Yeah, I probably should have pointed that out earlier. Not flat. Nu uh.
8 Anywayseth.. for allah is most merciful and commandetht he believers to land at this place far to the west and.... drum roll....
9 Slaughther them whereever ye may find them! Root them out from their homes and strike terror into their hearts!!
10 For Allah is Merciful and wise. The Benenficent the all knowing. And most merciful and.. oh yeah I already mentioned mercifical
11 Anyways, yeah you niggaz better get on that Americas business before the kuffar. Aight?
12 Walad daaaaaaaw leeen. Ameeeen.

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hahahaha Im in stitches!

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Reply #45 - March 14, 2011, 02:20 AM

Quote from: Mixu Paatelainen on December 08, 2009, 12:41 PM
It is so stupid how Zakir Naik comes to the conclusion that 21:33 means that the sun orbits around the centre of the galaxy. To any person who was looking at it objectively, it clearly states that the sun and the moon orbit the earth. And also, in a verse about night and day, why would god go off on a tangent and say that the sun goes around the centre of the galaxy?!

It Goes something like this:

Zakir Naik: "I know that the Earth orbits the sun. But I also know that the Qur'an is the infallible word of Allah. So surely the verse cannot mean that the sun orbits the Earth. Therefore it must mean that the Sun orbits the centre of the Galaxy! Oh my god! A scientific miracle!"

So he has taken an erroneous scientific assumption and turned it round and made it into a scientific miracle! What a nob!

This called the science of Quranology.

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