Dr Zakir Naik teaching 9/11 an inside Job

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Reply #30 - December 15, 2009, 02:18 AM

Only the trustees of the Birmingham Central Mosque could remove Dr Muhammad Naseem from his role as spokesman and chairman. Obviously whoever is on the committee doesn't see a problem with him. I wouldn't be surprised if Muslims in Birmingham are embarrased by him - what is clear is that the majority of them are helpless to do anything about his position of authority at the mosque and its attendant profile because they don't have votes for the institution. The extent to which they support or don't support his views could only be gauged after spending time researching their attitudes and talking to a wide variety of the community there.

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Reply #31 - December 15, 2009, 02:38 AM

Quote from: kaiwai on December 15, 2009, 02:22 AM
Thank you for explaining the situation; maybe Parliament in the UK need to pass a 'Democracy in Mosques' law which allow the average Muslim to vote out clerics if they end up causing problems.

Its up to the committee members or the congregants to decide that. Even then the mosque will not have a quorom of the entire Muslim community in Birmingham because the committee of religious institutions are usually drawn from a small sample. Each mosque might also only be attended by certain denominations - for example there might be a Bangladeshi mosque, a Somali mosque, a Pakistani mosque, Shia and Sunni mosques, Ismaili mosque. Birmingham Central Mosque has to work it out itself -- whichever Muslims in Birmingham are unsatisfied with Dr Muhammad Naseem will probably be more or less helpless in getting him out of his position.

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Reply #32 - December 15, 2009, 02:40 AM

Billy, as a person whose had "long term exposure to Islam" it's obvious you're a little too dull in the brain to properly answer Kawai, being the paragon of intellectualism that he is!

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Reply #33 - December 15, 2009, 02:44 AM

Quote from: billy on December 15, 2009, 02:38 AM
Its up to the committee members or the congregants to decide that. Even then the mosque will not have a quorom of the entire Muslim community in Birmingham because the committee of religious institutions are usually drawn from a small sample. Each mosque might also only be attended by certain denominations - for example there might be a Bangladeshi mosque, a Somali mosque, a Pakistani mosque, Shia and Sunni mosques, Ismaili mosque. Birmingham Central Mosque has to work it out itself -- whichever Muslims in Birmingham are unsatisfied with Dr Muhammad Naseem will probably be more or less helpless in getting him out of his position.

So one could argue that it is a matter of shopping around for the right mosque/environment? The reason why I was wonder is whether there is something in terms of encouraging progressive Muslims who feel trapped in the current situation being able to establish a Mosque that is removed from the status quo - I know there are some liberal/progressive Mosques in some of the large Canadian cities, but in the UK is there any one could describe as liberal/progressive?

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Reply #34 - December 15, 2009, 02:47 AM

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So one could argue that it is a matter of shopping around for the right mosque/environment?

You could do, but the main lesson I take from it all is that whilst the chairman of Birmingham Central Mosque is a stupid, paranoid, conspiratorially minded buffoon, and his congregants are at ease with him, its difficult to draw conclusions about the entire Muslim community in Birmingham because it is quite fractured, and most Muslims don't have a say in the leadership of mosques anyway.

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Reply #35 - December 15, 2009, 02:52 AM

Quote from: billy on December 15, 2009, 02:47 AM
and most Muslims don't have a say in the leadership of mosques anyway.

Most Muslims usually in the west just are happy they have a prayer place and they dont want to do anything that might cause them to lose their prayer site or jeopardize their situation
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Reply #36 - December 15, 2009, 03:03 AM

Quote from: billy on December 15, 2009, 02:47 AM
You could do, but the main lesson I take from it all is that whilst the chairman of Birmingham Central Mosque is a stupid, paranoid, conspiratorially minded buffoon, and his congregants are at ease with him, its difficult to draw conclusions about the entire Muslim community in Birmingham because it is quite fractured, and most Muslims don't have a say in the leadership of mosques anyway.

I guess it is like going along to church, the priest is an idiot but he gets the job done. I guess it reminds me of when I used to go to Church and hear my dad complain on how useless the priest was as a preacher but we couldn't be bothered going to another church because it was at least a 30 minute drive away.

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Reply #37 - December 15, 2009, 08:02 AM

Quote from: Aa on December 14, 2009, 02:28 PM
uh, yeah maybe im crazy not to believe that jet fuel caused steel to melt

As far as I'm aware, nobody has claimed that any steel melted. In other words, you are protesting against something that even the official 9/11 investigation never believed or claimed.

What was claimed, and what is thoroughly consistent with well established building and engineering practice, is that the heat from the fire was sufficient to cause the steel supports to lose most of their strength. This is a well known problem with structural steel in fires and happens at a much lower temperature than the melting point of steel.

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and caused the towers fall to the ground at free fall speed with air resistance

Again, who has claimed this? Have you seen any accurate figures?

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or that jet fuel can evaporate an entire plane

And again, who claimed this? I have seen photos of the wreckage from all planes that were involved. These are widely known photos. You can find them all over the net.

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or that a average Wall-mart store has more CCTV cameras installed then in the pentagon.

Of course you can provide accurate figures form a reliable source for this. Right?

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Oh yeah i also dont believe that people in a cave are smart enough to carry out attacks on such a large scale without informing the CIA.

So do you think Saudi Arabians are stupid?

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As for now i choose not to believe that this attacks where done by some pissed of muslims.

This would be despite pissed off Muslims releasing videos claiming responsibility for the attacks.

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Reply #38 - December 15, 2009, 09:35 AM

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Reply #39 - December 15, 2009, 10:18 AM

Best response to loose changers...ever

http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.html

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