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  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #60 - December 22, 2009, 08:47 AM

    I remember showing Muslims on Ummah studies by Swedish and US scientists of links between homosexuality and genetics (for instance, 33% higher chance of being gay if you're left-handed despite left-handedness and homosexuality being a disproportionately small minority - I'm gay and left-handed, two of my gay friends are left-handed too, and left-handedness is innate) and they called this "Western propoganda". I also showed them numerous studies showing homosexuality being recorded in the animal kingdom which they refused to believe.

    I think Muslims dismiss science because it goes against what they've been told to believe sometimes. Much like why Christians refuse to accept science sometimes. For them to accept science would be, in some cases, for them to question their own beliefs and attitudes. Some of the Muslims I know are too stubborn to question their own beliefs. Science is religions worst enemy in a lot of matters.

    I think the West puts more emphasis on education and science. My hope is that as countries prosper and as Muslims begin living in the West, some of them will begin looking at science and becoming intellectuals. Western society went through a renaissance that opened our eyes, I'm hoping that this could happen on a smaller-scale to Muslims in the West, but I don't know enough about that.

    Religion keeps the common people quiet, perhaps giving people a proper education would mean that these people could begin thinking for themselves. Religion generally doesn't let people think for themselves, does it?
  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #61 - December 22, 2009, 09:17 AM

    Hey Unechance, that quote of yours, who said it?
  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #62 - December 22, 2009, 09:35 AM

    It was in the newspaper over here. We have a discussion thing in our newspaper where people can leave comments.

    The quote was made by some anonymous person after a huge discussion about Islam in Australia after we had some oddball Muslim cleric say that it was a females fault for being raped if she didn't dress modestly.

    The quote actually starts off with "Non-Muslim immigrants do not carry with them in their mental baggage the ideology of Islam, which makes its adherents permanent opponents of the legal and political institutions and social arrangements and understandings of Australia and other Western societies."

    I do like the quote, though. Smiley
  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #63 - December 22, 2009, 10:12 AM

    Fantastic quote. And true.
  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #64 - December 24, 2009, 12:35 AM

    Forget Sweden, lets look at a country Muslims love hating:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israelis#Academic_figures

    Israel = ~8 million



    true but they recruit jews from around the world.

    poland had released documents of correspondents with golda meir not to allow jews with low physical, financial, intellectuals potentials to immigrate to Isreal

    ah...another info is that most people in the list that you have mentioned are athiest, a huge portion of Israeli population are atheists
     
    further more arab countries are so missed up by religious and social oppression, war, cultural retardation, and all kind of financial problems

    and yes religion has lots to do with this, as an example Algeria used to manufacture computers better than the intel manufactured at that time, but all this stopped the minute Islamists won the elections.

  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #65 - December 25, 2009, 06:10 PM

    "Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?"

    The title is nonsensical. Either compare western vs non-western or theist vs athiest or muslim vs (x,y,z religion, agnosticism, atheism).

    Typical Eurocentric view of history, as one would expect.

    Muslim Scientists and Scholars:

    Jabir Ibn Haiyan died 803
    Mohammad Bin Musa al-Khawarizmi died 840
    Yaqub Ibn Ishaq al-Kindi died 800
    Thabit Ibn Qurra died 836
    Ali Ibn Rabban al-Tabari died 838
    Abu Abdullah al-Battani died 858
    Al-Farghani died 860
    Mohammad Ibn Zakariya al-Razi died 864
    Abu al-Nasr al-Farabi died 870
    Abul Hasan Ali al-Masu'di died 957
    Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi died 936
    Abul Wafa Muhammad al-Buzjani died 940
    Abu Ali Hasan Ibn al-Haitham died 965
    Abu al-Hasan al-Mawardi died 972
    Abu Raihan al-Biruni died 973
    Ibn Sina died 980
    Omar al-Khayyam died 1044
    Abu Hamid al-Ghazali died 1058
    Abu Marwan Ibn Zuhr died 1091
    Al-Idrisi died 1099
    Ibn Rushd died 1128
    Ibn al-Baitar died 1248
    Nasir al-Din al-Tusi died 1201
    Jalal al-Din Rumi died 1207
    Ibn al-Nafis died 1213
    Ibn Khaldun died 1332

    Modern day scientists?
    Google "modern day muslim scientists".

    I know you guys hate Islam and Muslims but dont let that blind you completely.
  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #66 - December 25, 2009, 06:41 PM

    33% higher chance of being gay if you're left-handed despite left-handedness and homosexuality being a disproportionately small minority - I'm gay and left-handed, two of my gay friends are left-handed too,

    Have you got a source for this data - there was also a thread where we discussed a shorter forefinger length as also more likely attributed to homosexuality..

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  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #67 - December 25, 2009, 07:06 PM

    "Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?"

    The title is nonsensical. Either compare western vs non-western or theist vs athiest or muslim vs (x,y,z religion, agnosticism, atheism).

    Typical Eurocentric view of history, as one would expect.

    Muslim Scientists and Scholars:

    Jabir Ibn Haiyan died 803
    Mohammad Bin Musa al-Khawarizmi died 840
    Yaqub Ibn Ishaq al-Kindi died 800
    Thabit Ibn Qurra died 836
    Ali Ibn Rabban al-Tabari died 838
    Abu Abdullah al-Battani died 858
    Al-Farghani died 860
    Mohammad Ibn Zakariya al-Razi died 864
    Abu al-Nasr al-Farabi died 870
    Abul Hasan Ali al-Masu'di died 957
    Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi died 936
    Abul Wafa Muhammad al-Buzjani died 940
    Abu Ali Hasan Ibn al-Haitham died 965
    Abu al-Hasan al-Mawardi died 972
    Abu Raihan al-Biruni died 973
    Ibn Sina died 980
    Omar al-Khayyam died 1044
    Abu Hamid al-Ghazali died 1058
    Abu Marwan Ibn Zuhr died 1091
    Al-Idrisi died 1099
    Ibn Rushd died 1128
    Ibn al-Baitar died 1248
    Nasir al-Din al-Tusi died 1201
    Jalal al-Din Rumi died 1207
    Ibn al-Nafis died 1213
    Ibn Khaldun died 1332

    Modern day scientists?
    Google "modern day muslim scientists".

    I know you guys hate Islam and Muslims but dont let that blind you completely.


    Ummm.. you just jotted of a list of medieval Muslim scholars. This thread is about Muslim contributions to modern science and technology. Which is close to nil.

    You did nothing to debunk that. Try again.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #68 - December 25, 2009, 08:32 PM

    "Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?"

    The title is nonsensical. Either compare western vs non-western or theist vs athiest or muslim vs (x,y,z religion, agnosticism, atheism).

    Typical Eurocentric view of history, as one would expect.

    Muslim Scientists and Scholars:

    Jabir Ibn Haiyan died 803
    Mohammad Bin Musa al-Khawarizmi died 840
    Yaqub Ibn Ishaq al-Kindi died 800
    Thabit Ibn Qurra died 836
    Ali Ibn Rabban al-Tabari died 838
    Abu Abdullah al-Battani died 858
    Al-Farghani died 860
    Mohammad Ibn Zakariya al-Razi died 864
    Abu al-Nasr al-Farabi died 870
    Abul Hasan Ali al-Masu'di died 957
    Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi died 936
    Abul Wafa Muhammad al-Buzjani died 940
    Abu Ali Hasan Ibn al-Haitham died 965
    Abu al-Hasan al-Mawardi died 972
    Abu Raihan al-Biruni died 973
    Ibn Sina died 980
    Omar al-Khayyam died 1044
    Abu Hamid al-Ghazali died 1058
    Abu Marwan Ibn Zuhr died 1091
    Al-Idrisi died 1099
    Ibn Rushd died 1128
    Ibn al-Baitar died 1248
    Nasir al-Din al-Tusi died 1201
    Jalal al-Din Rumi died 1207
    Ibn al-Nafis died 1213
    Ibn Khaldun died 1332

    Modern day scientists?
    Google "modern day muslim scientists".

    I know you guys hate Islam and Muslims but dont let that blind you completely.

    Notice how most of them are right after islam started. These people were still carrying their traditions from pre-islam, from so-called 'jahiliya - ignorance'. Once islam took over and became entrenched. The scholars dwindled to One per century or Two. The reality is jahiliya is the age after islam if we were to go by your list Fot.

    Also this is about islamic contribution to modern science, not the medieval stuff.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #69 - December 25, 2009, 08:49 PM

    Muslims have to stop thinking of themselves as Muslim scientists and just think of them as scientists.

    Science in the west, doesn't have a religion attatched to it. Its not Christian, its not Jewish, it just arises out of a culture of intellectual enquiry, creative thinking, and investment in science and scientific institutions by society and government.

    Does the Islamic world have the necessary scepticism and doubt and open mindedness that is generally required to create a society conducive to scientific enquiry? At the moment, I don't think so, to a degree vital to the pursuit of science.

    Science requires doubt, innovation and intellectual tolerance.





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  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #70 - December 25, 2009, 08:54 PM

    Quote
    Science requires doubt, innovation and intellectual tolerance.


    Exactly, if you can't create a hypothesis without God in it how are you free? Or when dealing with literary criticism, how can that field of science prosper, when cone an be punished by law for criticizing Islam. You can't prove the Quran wrong, you are not allowed to falsify it. And so on. So anything you do in almost any field needs to comply with Islam and it's teachings. It's sheer madness.
  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #71 - December 25, 2009, 08:57 PM

    To be fair, most modern/secular universities in Muslim countries are not bound by Islamic dogma. So a researcher in Pakistan, Egypt or Indonesia is free to make whatever hypothesis he likes.

    And lets not forget that compared to the west, the rest of the non-muslim world hasn't contributed much to scientific discoveries either.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #72 - December 25, 2009, 09:07 PM


    I mean, how much money has the gulf Arab world received in the last 50 years from the serendipity of being placed over oil fields? Is it close to a trillion dollars? I don't know, but it must be in that kind of immensity.

    What have the heartland nations of Islam done with that wealth? They could have spent it on creating scientific institutions across the Islamic nations of unprecedented resources in the history of mankind. Instead they chose as their priority to spend it on propagating Islam in non Muslim lands and propagating salafi Islam in traditionally Muslim societies.

    The other irony is that the oil in Muslim countries has made them rich through the accretions of science from outside the world of Islam - through the development of the motor engine, cars, airplanes - and it took western scientists to locate and create the processes of extraction and refinement. No wonder there is this schismatic inferiority / superiority complex and self-esteem problem in the gulf Arab and Islamic consciousness. They both depend on the dar-al-harb for all they have, yet they hate it for what they have achieved too.

    Spreading salafi Islam around the world will just fructify the conditions for anti-science in pockets around the non Muslim world, and further embed the scientific backwardness of non Arab Muslim nations.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #73 - December 25, 2009, 09:10 PM

    To be fair, most modern/secular universities in Muslim countries are not bound by Islamic dogma. So a researcher in Pakistan, Egypt or Indonesia is free to make whatever hypothesis he likes.

    And lets not forget that compared to the west, the rest of the non-muslim world hasn't contributed much to scientific discoveries either.


    Sure, but please answer me this question then. Why? Why has the rest of the non-muslim world not contributed much to scientific discoveries?

    And is this really accurate?
  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #74 - December 25, 2009, 09:11 PM

    I mean, how much money has the gulf Arab world received in the last 50 years from the serendipity of being placed over oil fields? Is it close to a trillion dollars? I don't know, but it must be in that kind of immensity.

    What have the heartland nations of Islam done with that wealth? They could have spent it on creating scientific institutions across the Islamic nations of unprecedented resources in the history of mankind. Instead they chose as their priority to spend it on propagating Islam in non Muslim lands and propagating salafi Islam in traditionally Muslim societies.

    The other irony is that the oil in Muslim countries has made them rich through the accretions of science from outside the world of Islam - through the development of the motor engine, cars, airplanes - and it too western scientists to locate and create the processes of extraction and refinement. No wonder there is this schismatic inferiority / superiority complex and self-esteem problem in the gulf Arab and Islamic consciousness. They both depend on the dar-al-harb for all they have, yet they hate it for what they have achieved too.

    Spreading salafi Islam around the world will just fructify the conditions for anti-science in pockets around the non Muslim world, and further embed the scientific backwardness of non Arab Muslim nations.


    What you say is true about Saudi Arabia.. but the other gulf countries haven't wasted their monies on spreading salafi Islam.. they instead wasted it on this:


    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #75 - December 25, 2009, 09:11 PM

    Have you got a source for this data - there was also a thread where we discussed a shorter forefinger length as also more likely attributed to homosexuality..


    see this:
    http://www.kensavage.com/archives/gaydar-are-you-gay/
    no quite figures but a lot of tests on how to tell,

    funny thing all tests that i have conducted puts me in the not so holly group  Huh?

  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #76 - December 25, 2009, 09:12 PM

    Sure, but please answer me this question then. Why? Why has the rest of the non-muslim world not contributed much to scientific discoveries?

    And is this really accurate?


    Probably a very complicated question. However, this is true in the past not so much in our current era. Asian nations like India, Korea, China, Japan, Singapore etc are increasingly on the cutting edge of scienfitic research and discoveries. And most likely will overtake the west in science and education within our lifetimes.

    The Muslim world will continue working on a Jinn-Detector.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #77 - December 25, 2009, 09:24 PM

    @Kafirist

    Thank you Smiley Good answer, let me add to it. WW2 in some countries and colonialism in other cases. But in the Muslim countries, yupp there is more likely to be Jindar (Jinn-Radar) invented before we will see a major scientific breakthrough. And to muslims reading this, NO a Jindar is NOT a major scientific breakthrough. It's something that belongs in an Arabic Stephen King book.
  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #78 - December 25, 2009, 09:26 PM

    What you say is true about Saudi Arabia.. but the other gulf countries haven't wasted their monies on spreading salafi Islam.. they instead wasted it on this:


    I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, Dubai has its issues, they are many, to do with worker exploitation and everything else, like you say, what is the endgame of it all?

    On the other, at least they are creating an infrastructure that locks them into the modern world, the global economic and cultural eco-system, even if they are still governed by the Sheikh using the tribal system. Just a few hours drive from Mecca are women from Europe sunbathing on beaches in bikinis, as Hindus from India do business, as Christians, atheists and Jews from Europe and America drink in hotel bars.

    Of course Dubai has a dark side. I just wonder about the subversiveness of it all as a place, for all its ugliness and flaws.

    I do believe that in the UAE some educational institutions have been opened - this is encouraging, every sign of progression is.




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  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #79 - December 25, 2009, 09:35 PM

    I know you guys hate Islam and Muslims but dont let that blind you completely.


    I am not one of them.

    I challenge Islamic Ideology and it's relevance to modernity. But I don't hate Muslims.





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  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #80 - December 26, 2009, 03:18 AM

    I would gladly be a brownshirt fanatic for Dawkins. He's so handsome..  Kiss

    this is for you then

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqqS_N8bC-o&feature=sub

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  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #81 - December 31, 2009, 04:25 PM

    Quote from: liberated
    I think the main factor is the lack of focus given to scientific education in muslim countries, most of the focus is instead given to religious studies. The culture seems to reinforce the idea that they need to learn about relligion foremost, and science is considered an after-thought if there's any time left after reading the koran. Perhaps this is why people are not as much interested in science and never take the time to learn things on their own..

    In Iraq, we studied Islamic Studies for 2-3 hours a week as a maximum all through primary and secondary school. At uni, we never studied Islam. So I don't think this is a reason.

    Quote from: liberated
    The second thing could be that their educational system teaches them only to memorize facts and figures without actually understanding the concepts behind them.

    More like it.

    Quote from: Kafirist
    Muslim countries are simply backwards and poor shite holes that put zero value and investment in science and education because we're too fucking busy debating whether a jinn stole your ipod.

    That might be true to some extent but I think the problem has more to do with the Arab society which doesn't value research-based scientific degrees as much as professional degrees such as Medicine, Dentistry, Pharmacy or Engineering. The reason is employability. Arabs are crazy about making money. Plus, every Arab university student's main concern is getting married and I don't blame them. They're tired of porn and jerking off and just wanna fuck. That's why the overwhelming majority don't pursue the career they like but the one that is likely to enable them to make as much money as possible in order to establish themselves ASAP, get married ASAP, and fuck ASAP. 
    Accordingly, the main goal of universities and education authorities in most Arab countries is training good professionals rather than good scientists. There is very little focus on natural sciences. That's why almost all BScs end up working in other fields or at best get a job as high school teachers.
    Moreover, the governments only put laughable amounts of money into research thus the quality of education and research overall is very poor.

    Quote from: Kafirist
    But also, countries that are rich, like Saudi and Dubai, instead spend their money on skyscrapers and funding Hamas when they easily could build some of the most state of the art universities if they had the political and intellectual will. But they don't have that will because the government has vested interests in satisfying religious groups who are far more powerful than the tiny intellectual class.

    They have invested in education. Bahrain, Qatar, and Dubai are beginning to do so but as you can see they're focusing on professional education rather than natural sciences.

    Quote from: Kafirist
    And lets not forget that compared to the west, the rest of the non-muslim world hasn't contributed much to scientific discoveries either.

    True that.

    Quote from: billy
    What have the heartland nations of Islam done with that wealth? They could have spent it on creating scientific institutions across the Islamic nations of unprecedented resources in the history of mankind. Instead they chose as their priority to spend it on propagating Islam in non Muslim lands and propagating salafi Islam in traditionally Muslim societies.

    Not really. Apart from the occasional mosque or Islamic Centre in the West, I don't think they spend much money of spreading Islam. They instead spend their money on giant SUVs with massive engines, villas, prostitutes, luxury items....etc. Don't forget the rulers and the royal families take a lot of money too.
    It's just that they don't value scientific innovation. Many think life is a test and there's no point wasting time on research. They just have to get as much Hasanat as they can so that they end up in heaven.
    I agree with everything else you said.

    Quote from: Unenhance
    I remember showing Muslims on Ummah studies by Swedish and US scientists of links between homosexuality and genetics (for instance, 33% higher chance of being gay if you're left-handed despite left-handedness and homosexuality being a disproportionately small minority - I'm gay and left-handed, two of my gay friends are left-handed too, and left-handedness is innate) and they called this "Western propoganda". I also showed them numerous studies showing homosexuality being recorded in the animal kingdom which they refused to believe.

    You're right . You should watch the amazing piece Lesley Stahl did on the subject for 60 minutes. One study, that's been conducted for years now, shows that children who turn out to be gay in the future show striking difference in attitude at ages as young as 1 year.
    Here I just found the segment on youtube:  youtube.com/watch?v=fOO1Y4OryWY
    BTW, Ms Stahl is the oldest woman I've ever had a crush on whistling2

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    Who is Fareed Ad'Deen Al'Attar?
  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #82 - December 31, 2009, 04:49 PM


    That might be true to some extent but I think the problem has more to do with the Arab society which doesn't value research-based scientific degrees as much as professional degrees such as Medicine, Dentistry, Pharmacy or Engineering. The reason is employability. Arabs are crazy about making money. Plus, every Arab university student's main concern is getting married and I don't blame them. They're tired of porn and jerking off and just wanna fuck. That's why the overwhelming majority don't pursue the career they like but the one that is likely to enable them to make as much money as possible in order to establish themselves ASAP, get married ASAP, and fuck ASAP. 

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  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #83 - December 31, 2009, 04:59 PM

    Nice find IA, very controversial research.  Interesting to hear from the members here as I always thought sexual inclination would occur from puberty onwards.. perhaps kids many kids just conform during there earlier years, but you can tell from the beginning

    Watch from 0:40 onwards,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOO1Y4OryWY

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  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #84 - December 31, 2009, 07:11 PM

    Interesting to hear from the members here as I always thought sexual inclination would occur from puberty onwards.. perhaps kids many kids just conform during there earlier years, but you can tell from the beginning

    A lot of people still think so. I know many liberal pro-gay rights Brits who believe homosexuality is a choice.

    A while ago, I asked my father about homosexuals just to mess with him. Needless to say he said that homosexuality is not natural or innate and that God creates everyone "normal" but their upbringing is eventually the determining factor. He gave me an example about a guy he knew who was kind of a "sissy". Of course my dad think he is this way only because "his mother used to give him bath with his sisters" or something like that
    I asked him "if that is the case then how is it fair that God will punish then for something their parents inflicted on them?" You shoulda seen the look on his face  Cheesy
  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #85 - January 01, 2010, 03:59 AM

    Nice find IA, very controversial research.  Interesting to hear from the members here as I always thought sexual inclination would occur from puberty onwards.. perhaps kids many kids just conform during there earlier years, but you can tell from the beginning

    Watch from 0:40 onwards,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOO1Y4OryWY


    The kid with the nail polish sounded a bit like me at that age Cheesy

    Something like 75% of those children displaying a-typical gender behaviour turn out to be gay or lesbian later on in life.

    Regarding gender performance and possible link with sexual orientation - it would be interesting to see how far back the a-typical gender behaviour goes.

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  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #86 - January 01, 2010, 10:12 AM

    Has anybody done research on the genes of the parents that have gay children?
  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #87 - January 01, 2010, 11:23 AM

    The kid with the nail polish sounded a bit like me at that age Cheesy

    Really -  I guess you got teased at school?

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  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #88 - January 02, 2010, 12:35 AM

    Really -  I guess you got teased at school?


    Well, considering I hung around with girls most of the time - there really wasn't much to do tease about lol.

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  • Re: Why are most prominent scientists western rather than muslim?
     Reply #89 - January 04, 2010, 07:02 AM

    While we're talking about how homosexuality comes about, I'd like to offer some of what I know as I'm gay myself. Personally, I never made a choice, and I think it's ridiculous that people would say someone would choose to live as a homosexual rather than a heterosexual. If I had any choice, I would have been straight. I actually remember spending about three years trying to "fix" myself but it didn't work.

    There have been many studies that have been done finding that the neurons in gay male brains were more closely matched to a heterosexual female's brain, and a lesbian brain more closely resembled a heterosexual man's brain.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/homosexuality-genetics-usa

    There is a link between left-handedness and homosexuality. I'm left-handed and gay, and both of my gay friends are left-handed too. Seeing as left-handedness and homosexuality are disproportionately smaller populations, it's something to think about I think.

    There may be a link between homosexuality and having older male siblings, as has been recorded. I personally have one older brother.

    Or, it could be environment. I have one gay friend who has four sisters. Not sure, though.

    I'm hoping that one day scientists will actually figure this one out so that we can end the whole "homosexuality is a disease" that some people still actually think is true.
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