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 Topic: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS

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  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #30 - December 19, 2009, 02:11 AM
    Quote from: Ibn Saba on December 18, 2009, 07:43 PM
    I don't know, but I assume once an Ex-Muslim 'Muhammed' becomes Atheist, won't they change their name? I understand many Ex-Muslims don't change their names once they apostate, but with a name like Muhammed, there is a difference. Maybe that's the reason it's hard to find one? I don't know, just assumptions ...


    I think she means in the sense of what it says on your passport as opposed to changing it later on, my first name is Mohammed however I seldom use it any more It just brings to my mind a tribal mentality everything I've moved away from, on the other hand I don't blame my parents naming me Mohammed I know if I lived during their time, before there was easy access to information I too would have named my son Mohammed

    Also Ayesha, the reason I don't think you'll find any atheist Muslim Mohammed to be part of this project is due to the fear of having to "come out" so to speak, the overwhelming majority of ex Muslims on here have not come out, many have not even come out to those who they love such as family members, so unless if this is going to be completely private with an actor playing the role with a voice over, I think you will be very hard pressed in finding an atheist Mohammed, any way good luck with the project!         
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  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #31 - December 19, 2009, 02:17 AM
    Quote from: Kaffir Latte on December 18, 2009, 08:57 PM
    Seems a strange premise and a self -limiting one to use people with just the same name for input. You may be missing out on some deep insights and great interviewees  by insisting on this. Im sure there are a whole bunch of Aalams ,Damurahs  or Mahbeers
     ( although  exluding  Daanish may be prudent Smiley )   who could have someting to contribute as well.
    the other problem with this is that you are excluding half the potential interviewees available by canvassing only owners of penises for thier views.



    Maybe if it was a program about Indians then maybe you would have had a point, anyway as usual you completely missed the point
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  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #32 - December 19, 2009, 02:46 PM
    Thread derail split off.  The new topic can be found here..

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=7906.msg194470#new
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #33 - December 19, 2009, 07:39 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on December 19, 2009, 02:17 AM

    Maybe if it was a program about Indians then maybe you would have had a point, anyway as usual you completely missed the point


    Eh? What do Indians have to do with it?
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #34 - December 19, 2009, 07:44 PM

    I really do hope that they include an interview with an ex-Muslim called Mohammad, it would certainly be very daring of them given that in general the remit of these kinds of programmes seems to be to offer up apologia and soft-soaping -- the fact that any such interviewee would have to be disguised would speak volumes as well. Maybe that's why the BBC wouldn't include such a section, who knows, lets see.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #35 - December 20, 2009, 08:59 AM
    I hope this goes ahead, just so that devout Muslims can be aware that it's okay to be Mohammad and an atheist. Or an ex-Muslim. The sooner we start breaking that taboo the better. Patience, I guess.
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #36 - December 21, 2009, 01:46 AM
    Quote from: King Tut on December 19, 2009, 02:17 AM

    Maybe if it was a program about Indians then maybe you would have had a point, anyway as usual you completely missed the point

    Indians? You lost me there. And as for completely missing the point 'as usual' . I think that saying that making a program with only  people who have the same  name and penises is limiting and excludes others who could contribute meaningfully is actually making a valid point. Perhaps you dont agree with it but thats a whole different thing from me completely missing the point. And what  is this  -as usual- bollocks about?? 
    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #37 - December 21, 2009, 01:58 PM
    Are non-mohammeds allowed to speak ayesha, or only Mohammeds? Since it will be anonymous anyhow, one of us could just take on the alias of Mohammed for this program  Tongue

    Also, are people outside the UK counted or only those in UK, for phone/skype interviews?
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #38 - December 21, 2009, 03:40 PM
    Quote from: liberated on December 21, 2009, 01:58 PM
    Also, are people outside the UK counted or only those in UK, for phone/skype interviews?


    It's the BBC, not the local late night infomercial. Thats assuming this is liegit.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #39 - December 21, 2009, 04:42 PM
    Quote from: ayeshaBBC on December 21, 2009, 01:49 PM
    Hello again,

    I was just wondering how everyone would feel about the possibility of concealing identities within the programme.  We, like a lot of you, think it would be important to have an ex-Muslim Muhammad talk about their experiences and beliefs as part of this documentary.



    Respect to Ayesha and the BBC  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #40 - December 21, 2009, 04:45 PM
    Quote from: liberated on December 21, 2009, 01:58 PM
    Are non-mohammeds allowed to speak ayesha, or only Mohammeds? Since it will be anonymous anyhow, one of us could just take on the alias of Mohammed for this program  Tongue

    Also, are people outside the UK counted or only those in UK, for phone/skype interviews?


    Its for anyone with the name of Mohammad living in Britain.

    High Octane mentioned that his middle name is Mo, so it would be great if he could contribute to the programme. Obviously it would all at his own discretion though, but the atheist / apostate perspective would be a valuable one.

    Hopefully Ayesha will find a contributor from this background.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #41 - December 21, 2009, 09:00 PM
    Quote from: ayeshaBBC on December 21, 2009, 01:49 PM
    Hello again,

    I was just wondering how everyone would feel about the possibility of concealing identities within the programme.  We, like a lot of you, think it would be important to have an ex-Muslim Muhammad talk about their experiences and beliefs as part of this documentary.  If we promised anonymity, would anyone potentially be interested in speaking?

    Thanks again,
    Ayesha


    yes then I would do it
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  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #42 - December 21, 2009, 11:30 PM
    Oh god... i hope its not Tut who gets chosen to represent us. He has some seriously anti-female views, I suspect he's still a muslim or carries a lot of baggage from those days

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=7908.msg194451#msg194451
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4912.0
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #43 - December 21, 2009, 11:37 PM
    If they choose Tut we'll have to bomb the Beeb.  dance
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #44 - December 21, 2009, 11:42 PM
    Yeah, no offense, but Tut ain't exactly a representative sample of apostates. He's got too much Islam in him still.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #45 - December 21, 2009, 11:49 PM
    Tut isn't even a rep for Muslims. He represents himself and associated nutters.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #46 - December 22, 2009, 10:28 AM
    Quote from: liberated on December 21, 2009, 11:30 PM
    Oh god... i hope its not Tut who gets chosen to represent us. He has some seriously anti-female views, I suspect he's still a muslim or carries a lot of baggage from those days

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=7908.msg194451#msg194451
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4912.0


    I do not have anti-female views only those who are intellectual weak will misconstrue them as anti-female views, I am anti-feminism not anti-female just like majority of us here are anti-Islam and not anti-Muslim, for me personally I think it is incredibly short-sighted to hate on a person or a group of persons just because they hold views you might not agree with, and in essence practically quote mining me does not give your point any validity, I have over 4000+ posts quoting two of them, in your crusade to poison the well only highlights your inability to read contextually   
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  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #47 - December 22, 2009, 10:34 AM
     Cheesy Dude, you're totally awesome. Please continue.  Afro
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #48 - December 22, 2009, 10:47 AM
    Not hating on you at all, just saying I don't think you're an accurate representation of us Muslim apostates. Most of us have liberal views since we left Islam and we respect science and the scientific method, while your views on women seem to still be buried in the dark age and you quote a philosopher as an accurate scientific source for a topic on embryology.  I don't want you going there and making all of us ex-muslims look like a nut. parrot
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #49 - December 22, 2009, 10:50 AM
    Quote from: Kafirist on December 21, 2009, 11:42 PM
    Yeah, no offense, but Tut ain't exactly a representative sample of apostates. He's got too much Islam in him still.


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  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #50 - December 22, 2009, 11:09 AM
    Quote from: liberated on December 22, 2009, 10:47 AM
    we respect science and the scientific method, while your views on women seem to still be buried in the dark age and you quote a philosopher as an accurate scientific source for a topic on embryology. parrot


    Now you are trying to imply I do not respect science, because I quoted Peter Singer when we were debating a subject about the ethics of abortion, a person who is a legitimate expert and Peter Singer is, is more likely to be right than wrong when making considered claims within his area of expertise. In a sense, the claim is being accepted because it is reasonable to believe that the expert has tested the claim and found it to be reliable. So, if the expert has found it to be reliable, then it is reasonable to accept it as being true. Thus, the listener is accepting a claim based on the testimony of the expert.

    You accepting the scientific method is clear a joke, you reject probability theory, and claim coincidence has some personal supernatural meaning to you     

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  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #51 - December 22, 2009, 11:12 AM
    Tut, how can be volunteering for this?  unless your name isn't what I think it is and is actually mohammed?  Wink
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #52 - December 22, 2009, 11:15 AM
    If it will get him attention his name will be Mohammed.  grin12
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #53 - December 22, 2009, 11:19 AM
    Sooner than you think, librated might be diagnosed with a special type of mental illness that is not yet recognized. But for now, be aware that prudence is no vice. Cowardice - especially his self-deceiving form of it - is.
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  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #54 - December 22, 2009, 11:20 AM
    But that's the point, how is a philosopher an expert on the development of a central nervous system in an embyo? He's not qualified to make that claim. Plus the book you quoted was written in 1979. Do you think there haven't been any other developments in embryology since then? Or did you know that and you were purposefully trying to mislead us as many religious people/creationists like to do?

    And please don't drag my personal beliefs into this. Science doesn't say you're not allowed to have personal beliefs. Whatever I believe for myself, I'm not saying it should be taught in schools or in science books because I don't have any evidence either for/against it. Hence the text under my pic says 'agnostic'. I could be proven to be wrong tomorrow and I'll accept it.
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #55 - December 22, 2009, 11:23 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 22, 2009, 11:12 AM
    Tut, how can be volunteering for this?  unless your name isn't what I think it is and is actually mohammed?  Wink


    I have Mohammed in my name but do not use it, my father always called me for example "Mohammed Kamran" when by actual name was just "Kamran"  - Kamran is not my real name its just an example I am giving for the sake of making a point, but if you mean do I have "Mohammed" on my birth certificate then no
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  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #56 - December 22, 2009, 11:25 AM
    Quote from: King Tut on December 22, 2009, 11:19 AM
    Sooner than you think, librated might be diagnosed with a special type of mental illness that is not yet recognized. The space lizards will invade Earth and impose sharia law on wombats while dancing down the streets in pink tutus. But for now, be aware that possession is nine tenths of the law and buggering donkeys is no vice. Cowardice - especially when it involves vast sums of money being exchanged in temporal anomalies west of Oxford - is.

    There you go. Makes more sense now.  parrot
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #57 - December 22, 2009, 11:26 AM
    Then no, you're not a mohammed.  Wink  Not by the standards for this thread anyway.

    Otherwise how can the BBC prove they used genuine mohammeds if it's not even on the birth certificate?
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #58 - December 22, 2009, 11:38 AM
    Quote from: liberated on December 22, 2009, 11:20 AM
    But that's the point, how is a philosopher an expert on the development of a central nervous system in an embyo? He's not qualified to make that claim. Plus the book you quoted was written in 1979. Do you think there haven't been any other developments in embryology since then? Or did you know that and you were purposefully trying to mislead us as many religious people/creationists like to do?

     Do you understand what we were debating about? We were debating ETHICS and Peter Singer is an expert on ethics, and the book I quoted was published in 1993 - Singer is a Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University, and laureate professor at the Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics (CAPPE), University of Melbourne. He specialises in applied ethics, approaching ethical issues from a secular preference utilitarian perspective.


    Quote
    And please don't drag my personal beliefs into this. Science doesn't say you're not allowed to have personal beliefs. Whatever I believe for myself, I'm not saying it should be taught in schools or in science books because I don't have any evidence either for/against it. Hence the text under my pic says 'agnostic'. I could be proven to be wrong tomorrow and I'll accept it.


    You don't even know the meaning of agnosticism, agnosticism is about withholding judgement on a phenomenon until one has all the facts, belief does not even come into it, ie when you believe coincidence has some supernatural meaning to you, that cannot be called agnosticism, I should know as I am an Atheist Agnostic, Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims - especially claims about the existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims - is unknown or unknowable. You my friend are a Agnostic theist       
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  • Re: BBC DOCUMENTARY LOOKING FOR NON-MUSLIM MOHAMMADS
     Reply #59 - December 22, 2009, 11:41 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 22, 2009, 11:26 AM
    Then no, you're not a mohammed.  Wink  Not by the standards for this thread anyway.

    Otherwise how can the BBC prove they used genuine mohammeds if it's not even on the birth certificate?


    I'll not take part in this if everyone has such a big objection to it, so I fortify taking part in this program, although I know Metaphysical Naturalist is a Mohammed, he might be interested in talking about   
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