@RIBS thnx very much for your welcome hope we all get rid of all the hatred religion their is
Please tell us about the situation in your homeland from a secular/atheist arab perspective. That'd be very refreshing. Do you think anti-semitism and religious fanaticism is really making the situation much worse than it should be? Do you think your people who have peace if religion was not so rooted in this issue?
Since you live in Ramallah I guess it's a PA controlled area right? So no Hamas? Are their still extremist fundamentalists in the area imposing their will? Or are the Israelis the bigger problem for you?
for the second question, yes i live in a pa controlled area, PA are not as non-religious as you think, its just the hammas propagand, and an atheist isn't quite welcomed here, however society is a bitch right now for all the miss it is up to and i don't think i can honestly know what is normal. what is good, and what is bad, but i guess a mixture of hamas + isreal is the biggest fear
i can only answer your first question by telling my story about this issue, well lets get down on this:
Israeli's are originally are Egyptian slaves promised the land of Palestine as their prize for being god fearing good people so they are the rightful owners of this land praise the lord, and so they fought the original people of the land for it (see the torah for confirmation)
Palestinians are most likely some tribes that immigrated into that land somewhere from around the Mediterranean and who have reproduced with other people coming to that region (crusaders, southern arab tribes, turkes, romans, greeks, babylons, egyptions...etc)
now when Israeli's as the torah says succeeded in their seek, the original either immigrated, lived in some areas outside the grasp of the Isreali's or got killed since in that time you cannot become "Isreali" (it is a biological relativity to the 21 tribes of isreal).
after that the Isreali's had some fighting of their own (Samaritans + Jews) and caused a heck of a miss so the other super powers in the region got rid of them, repeatedly (romans, babylons)
after that they were kicked out of the land of isreal (Palestine) - actually their are two versions one is that they made too much trouble and blood shedding in the region so the other empires stumped them out , and the other being that they disobeyed god so they no log deserve the land that god promised them - and you know the story of Christ and them presumably having a hand in that, {whatever}
where were we, oh yes however the land was soon re-inhibited with god knows who (mixed races) and in fact there are records of Christians, Muslims (who soon after held the region holly), Jews, Samaritans...whatever
so they all lived a fought and killed each other, wither its under Muslim control, Christian control, or other (however because Muslims were too busy fighting each other apparently other religions survived in the region, on the contrary Christians killed the Jews and Muslims for killing god and missing with his grave respectively, also the Jews killed the Samaritans for not being faithful for the torah and their were a heck much fun in that time)
so bang came hitler and he started killing jews around the word (who werern't isreali's per say because not all were biological offspring of a jewish women) however because jews were killed and suffuring on the ground of Hitler's religonal view of them being evil, they started trying to make a homeland for their security
now after Zionists(atheist jew fellows) discussing alternatives in africa, latin america, europe, and asia they desided that the best location is in the historical land of isreal, because they can use religion in their side.
now British bitches supported this (while occuping most the world and prosecuting irish, hindu, africans...etc a small rotten mouse shit don't seem to matter anyways) so they had isreal come true,
the real problem began when the inhabitants of the country (Palestinians - although not direct decedents from the original people) that haved lived their for thousands of years to say the least are now being taken away from their land for the sake of some European people who hadn't seen this land or their fathers or their grand father .... etc only because of a god promise that was withdrawn afterwards
now the Palestinians them selfs are a pretty complex people (jews, muslims, christians, baha'aies, and sameritans to mention a few) and they all believe that god have granted them this land (no need to explanation),
if you get down on this with the exclusion of religion factor they you have people who haved lived in a place for thousands of years get thrown out for the sake of illegals immigrants (i bet all American do love Maxican people, not to mention red indiens who might be closer to the story)
on the other hand you see people immigrating out of fear for pursuit of their safty and happiness (wish is not wrong unless you are killing other people for it)
now if you add religion to the factor you see the whole god damn lunatic picture that makes life a bag of dirt, Isreali's killing Palestinians and driving them out of their homeland cause god had promised them it and because if they don't make a country of their own some lunatic is going to burn them again
and on the other hand Palestinians who are a complex mixture of races and religions who think god granted them the land, and that they are the owners since they lived in the land for freaken hell much time than it takes to get a green card,
put that in the mixture with rabies who think killing Palestinian babies is only toped by killing a pregnant women, add to that the Islamic groups that are trying to gain public influence by fighting the jews and suicide bome babies, throw some patriots on every side, some fuckt up kids, some red nicks here and there, and put some pretty innocent people who just got to be born there....wallah thats pretty much what you have
oh forgot, their also the foreign interests in the region, and those Christians how think if they allow Israeli's to have their country jesus well come and kill them all
so i don't think religion is the only problem but i don't think it can make things better around here
and they lived miserably ever after
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