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 Topic: Hello from Holland!

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  • Hello from Holland!
     OP - December 21, 2009, 10:46 PM
    Hi everyone,

    My name is Nora, I am from Holland and I am 23 years old. My parents are from Morocco, and moved in the 60ies to cold wet Holland.

    I wanted to join this online community because i've had and still have serious questions about religion, and Islam in particular. I have always had a critical mind, and was always asking why and often the answers didnt satisfy my curiosity. My doubt started when I was 14 years old while making a paper for my Geography teacher about Islam. I did research and i read all kinds of texts and some of them really disturbed me ... the peace I had inside of me with God was rocking ever since. I didnt turn in the paper and changed the subject to something else eventually... Roll Eyes

    I thought maybe I can meet some new people and discuss some of the things I have questons about  whistling2

    Well I hope I am going to have a good time with you guys, If you have any questions please ask.  Wink

     Kiss
    "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
    ? Abu Ala Al-Maarri

    "No man ever believes that a Holy Book means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means."
    ? George Bernard Shaw
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #1 - December 21, 2009, 10:49 PM

    Hi Nora   Wink

    Welcome welcome welcome  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #2 - December 21, 2009, 10:53 PM
    Hiya. Welcome to the forum.

    I have a question: what's your favourite colour?  parrot
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #3 - December 21, 2009, 10:57 PM
    Hey, welcome. This is a great place to explore the issues without any restraints on free thought.  yes
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #4 - December 21, 2009, 11:00 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on December 21, 2009, 10:53 PM
    Hiya. Welcome to the forum.

    I have a question: what's your favourite colour?  parrot


    Thank you.

     Cheesy its Red and turqoise
    "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
    ? Abu Ala Al-Maarri

    "No man ever believes that a Holy Book means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means."
    ? George Bernard Shaw
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #5 - December 21, 2009, 11:02 PM
    Cool username!
    fuck you
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #6 - December 21, 2009, 11:02 PM
    Billy and Kafirist , thank you too  Wink
    "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
    ? Abu Ala Al-Maarri

    "No man ever believes that a Holy Book means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means."
    ? George Bernard Shaw
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #7 - December 21, 2009, 11:03 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on December 21, 2009, 11:02 PM
    Cool username!


    Thanks, its the name of a black woman in th 19th century who fought for women's rights.
    "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
    ? Abu Ala Al-Maarri

    "No man ever believes that a Holy Book means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means."
    ? George Bernard Shaw
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #8 - December 21, 2009, 11:04 PM
    Welcome Nora  Afro
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #9 - December 21, 2009, 11:05 PM
    Quote from: SojournerTruth on December 21, 2009, 11:03 PM
    Thanks, its the name of a black woman in th 19th century who fought for women's rights.


    Yeah, I know, that's why I said it was cool. Fought against slavery too.  Wink
    fuck you
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #10 - December 21, 2009, 11:07 PM
    So are you an agnostic now or do you still believe in Islam? Are your parents religious or laid back, and do they know?
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #11 - December 21, 2009, 11:10 PM
    Welcome, I hope you enjoy this site as much as the rest of us.
    Quote from: SojournerTruth on December 21, 2009, 10:46 PM
    My doubt started when I was 14 years old while making a paper for my Geography teacher about Islam. I did research and i read all kinds of texts and some of them really disturbed me

    What did you find disturbing?
    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #12 - December 21, 2009, 11:14 PM
    Quote from: SojournerTruth on December 21, 2009, 10:46 PM
    Hi everyone,

    My name is Nora, I am from Holland and I am 23 years old. My parents are from Morocco, and moved in the 60ies to cold wet Holland.

    I wanted to join this online community because i've had and still have serious questions about religion, and Islam in particular. I have always had a critical mind, and was always asking why and often the answers didnt satisfy my curiosity. My doubt started when I was 14 years old while making a paper for my Geography teacher about Islam. I did research and i read all kinds of texts and some of them really disturbed me ... the peace I had inside of me with God was rocking ever since. I didnt turn in the paper and changed the subject to something else eventually... Roll Eyes

    I thought maybe I can meet some new people and discuss some of the things I have questons about  whistling2

    Well I hope I am going to have a good time with you guys, If you have any questions please ask.  Wink

     Kiss

    hey fellow blasphemer Cheesy

    Wazzzzueeeep, I'm glad you joined usss!! these people here are very nice indeed and are more than happy to help those who have difficult times struggeling with religion.!!

    spreek je zo(K)
    "Hanifs (Muslims) are stumbling, Christians all astray
    Jews wildered, Magians far on error's way.
    We mortals are composed of two great schools:
    Enlightened knaves or else religious fools....."

    Muslim freethinkers society:  http://www.facebook.com/editapps.php?ref=mb#/group.php?gid=2251053
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #13 - December 21, 2009, 11:18 PM
    Yes i am agnostic on the vierge of being an atheist. I sort of can believe in God but I absolutely cannot believe in religion/books and all that manmade stuff.  My mom is very traditional and would curse me to hell if she found out. My dad is an atheist too in his heart but he wont admit it because hes afraid that his children would become kafirs  Cheesy My dad is very politics/history orientated but I cannot admit it to him (yet) either Wink he would try to convert me bac to islam  Cheesy
    "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
    ? Abu Ala Al-Maarri

    "No man ever believes that a Holy Book means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means."
    ? George Bernard Shaw
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #14 - December 21, 2009, 11:20 PM
    Your dad sounds a trifle confused.  grin12
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #15 - December 21, 2009, 11:23 PM
    How come its often the dads who are laid back/not religious and the mums who are the crazy ones?  Cheesy. I've seen the same thing in my family as well as some other stories around here
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #16 - December 21, 2009, 11:25 PM
    Well the amount of violence and illogical rules, i felt that the tone was very hard, no emotion. I always had a sort image of God of  very forgiving, very caring being. The rules were almost for ignorant people, people with no dept, with no ability in philosohical thinking.
    "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
    ? Abu Ala Al-Maarri

    "No man ever believes that a Holy Book means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means."
    ? George Bernard Shaw
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #17 - December 21, 2009, 11:28 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on December 21, 2009, 11:20 PM
    Your dad sounds a trifle confused.  grin12


     Cheesy He is a very smar t man, I learned a lot from him. He told me aout the politic within the Arab countries and that polluted Islam. But yes, now hes getting older he is turnin more and more to God.  Roll Eyes
    "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
    ? Abu Ala Al-Maarri

    "No man ever believes that a Holy Book means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means."
    ? George Bernard Shaw
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #18 - December 21, 2009, 11:30 PM
    Quote from: liberated on December 21, 2009, 11:23 PM
    How come its often the dads who are laid back/not religious and the mums who are the crazy ones?  Cheesy. I've seen the same thing in my family as well as some other stories around here


    Women are more religious research says  Smiley but not this one here  dance
    "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
    ? Abu Ala Al-Maarri

    "No man ever believes that a Holy Book means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means."
    ? George Bernard Shaw
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #19 - December 21, 2009, 11:37 PM
    Quote from: SojournerTruth on December 21, 2009, 11:28 PM
    But yes, now hes getting older he is turnin more and more to God.  Roll Eyes


    It's like the same story over and over, eh? Even my dad, who was pretty much apathetic to religion 90% of his life is suddenly getting righteous on me when in his 60s.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #20 - December 21, 2009, 11:43 PM
    Quote from: SojournerTruth on December 21, 2009, 10:46 PM
    Hi everyone,

    My name is Nora, I am from Holland and I am 23 years old. My parents are from Morocco, and moved in the 60ies to cold wet Holland.

    I wanted to join this online community because i've had and still have serious questions about religion, and Islam in particular. I have always had a critical mind, and was always asking why and often the answers didnt satisfy my curiosity. My doubt started when I was 14 years old while making a paper for my Geography teacher about Islam. I did research and i read all kinds of texts and some of them really disturbed me ... the peace I had inside of me with God was rocking ever since. I didnt turn in the paper and changed the subject to something else eventually... Roll Eyes

    I thought maybe I can meet some new people and discuss some of the things I have questons about  whistling2

    Well I hope I am going to have a good time with you guys, If you have any questions please ask.  Wink

     Kiss


    hello Welcome... :-)

    What kind of texts that disturbed you?
    Challenge All Ideologies but don't Hate People.
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #21 - December 21, 2009, 11:45 PM
    My dad's in his 70s and still non-religious, thank FSM!
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #22 - December 21, 2009, 11:50 PM
    Yeah, I am not afraid of death. But maybe its my age who says this  Cheesy
    "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
    ? Abu Ala Al-Maarri

    "No man ever believes that a Holy Book means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means."
    ? George Bernard Shaw
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #23 - December 21, 2009, 11:54 PM
    Hi Nora  signwelcome Glad you found us, and am looking forward to seeing you around this place.  Smiley
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #24 - December 21, 2009, 11:55 PM
    Who is FSM? whistling2
    "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
    ? Abu Ala Al-Maarri

    "No man ever believes that a Holy Book means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means."
    ? George Bernard Shaw
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #25 - December 21, 2009, 11:56 PM
    The Flying Spaghetti Monster  yes

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
    http://www.venganza.org
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #26 - December 21, 2009, 11:57 PM
    So are you planning to come out to your parents or keep it hidden from them for a while?
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #27 - December 22, 2009, 12:02 AM
    stoning, cutting ofhands, womens rights, the warlanguage, the gruesome punishments for unbelievers. some of my friends are nonbelievers and i found them more honest and honourable then soms of my fellowmuslims.  Smiley
    "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
    ? Abu Ala Al-Maarri

    "No man ever believes that a Holy Book means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means."
    ? George Bernard Shaw
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #28 - December 22, 2009, 12:07 AM
    stoning, cutting ofhands, womens rights, the warlanguage, the gruesome punishments for unbelievers. some of my friends are nonbelievers and i found them more honest and honourable then soms of my fellowmuslims.
    ------

    But you are a Morrocan. Did you not study the Quran at the mosque in Arabic?

    Is Arabic not the state language of Morroco?
    Challenge All Ideologies but don't Hate People.
  • Re: Hello from Holland!
     Reply #29 - December 22, 2009, 12:10 AM
    Quote from: liberated on December 21, 2009, 11:57 PM
    So are you planning to come out to your parents or keep it hidden from them for a while?


    Its hard now, because everyone in my family and the community is turning very religious. And its not accepted to say that I dont believe in God as much as they do. I happen to know more about Islam that some of them, but they are getting more selefie. Are you familiar with that term? Sometimes I just want to shout it out and sometimes  I think of the consequences and then I say to myself, well maybe it isnt that a big deal and your making a fuss about nothing. Its like fighting a the ocean, and if i start the fght i will drown maybe Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
    "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
    ? Abu Ala Al-Maarri

    "No man ever believes that a Holy Book means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means."
    ? George Bernard Shaw
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