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  • Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     OP - December 23, 2009, 12:53 AM

    Hello everybody,

    First of all, I just wanna say that I am so glad I discovered this forum. Being an Muslim-born atheist, I have always wanted to communicate with atheists in general and ex-Muslims in particular in a forum setting. I have heard of CEMB and have watched many of Ms Namazie's videos on Youtube. I have a lot of admiration of her, for every ex-Muslim, and the for the cause of this organization.

    Now let me introduce myself. I'm originally from Iraq having lived there for most of my life. I fled the country because of the war and I have settled in the UK. I was very sad to be forced to leave my country but at the same time I appreciate that there's a silver lining in that I was fortunate enough to be given the chance to live in a liberal free democratic country like the UK.
    I was a believer until I was around 17/18. I have always had questioned the existence of a God/Creator but I have never had the chance to actively do any research on the matter since Internet was banned under Saddam's regime.

    After the war, I began to witness, on a daily basis, the atrocities caused by religion. We were forced to abandon our house because we were Shiites living in a predominantly Sunni neighborhood. Many Sunnis suffered similarly. My barber was killed because he did "Western haircuts". My sister along with many of my female university colleagues-whether Muslim, Christian, or Mandeaen- were forced to wear hijab when driving through certain areas of Baghdad.

    It was then that I began to seriously doubt my faith. After leaving in Iraq and having decent internet access, I was introduced to the guys that I'm sure all of you know and admire. Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Bill Maher, Pat Condell, George Carlin...etc. They weren't exactly the cause of my loss of faith as much as they were catalysts. For that I feel I owe them. And so with every Youtube video, book, or article I was transformed from a typical guilt-soaked, Arab Muslim to a socially progressive, irreligious, liberal, humanist, happy, unlabeled human being. It simply was and still is the most important change in my personality and lifestyle.

    I apologize for writing such a long rant but it did feel frickin' good  grin12 . I look forward to reading your replies.

    Peace (Condell's style  Wink)
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #1 - December 23, 2009, 01:35 AM

    Welcome Mohammed  far away hug

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #2 - December 23, 2009, 01:39 AM

    Atafadal Ya Mohammed! Marhaban beekum.  Smiley

    And since you're Mohammed, and live in the UK;

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=7872.msg193693#msg193693

    For those who understand, no explanation is necessary. For those who refuse to understand, no explanation is possible.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #3 - December 23, 2009, 01:48 AM


    Hello mate, welcome to the forum  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #4 - December 23, 2009, 01:51 AM

    Thanks guys   Smiley

    @Ibn Saba  I have replied to the cited topic.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #5 - December 23, 2009, 01:58 AM

    Welcome Mohammed!

    Interesting story. Thanks for sharing. Hope you'll like it here. Wink

    Btw, I edited your posting and hid your surname. Are you sure you want to come out with your full name? Nothing wrong with that, as long as you know what you're doing. I would generally advise against revealing one's real name on the Internet, especially when you post personal opinions and pictures of yourself. Future employers do google your name first, you know...

    German ex-Muslim forumMy YouTubeList of Ex-Muslims
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  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #6 - December 23, 2009, 02:01 AM

    Welcome Mohammad

    Great Story, share some more!!

    Fellow Ex Muslim Atheist here
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #7 - December 23, 2009, 02:09 AM

    Welcome Mohammed!

    Interesting story. Thanks for sharing. Hope you'll like it here. Wink

    Btw, I edited your posting and hid your surname. Are you sure you want to come out with your full name? Nothing wrong with that, as long as you know what you're doing. I would generally advise against revealing one's real name on the Internet, especially when you post personal opinions and pictures of yourself. Future employers do google your name first, you know...


    Thanks for your concern. With you being a moderator and all, I think I'll leave it to the experts  Wink. Besides, I'm going to uni next year and I'm right now in the process of interviews and offers. So I do agree that it's best to avoid using one's full name just in case. Even though I don't think I was offensive to anyone.
    And BTW, I am quite certain I will like it here  Afro

    Cheers
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #8 - December 23, 2009, 02:23 AM

    Welcome my friend. Nice story. Just curious to know the stituation with your family i.e.  your parents and sisters ad brothers if u have any.

    Hope I'm not intruding too much.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #9 - December 23, 2009, 03:32 AM

    @Heyjustlooking

    Not at all. Well, my father and mother are practicing Muslims. They fast, pray five times a day, they both have been to the Hajj, and both only eat Halal meat.
    However, they are relatively liberal. They listen to music (which is Haram if you want to literally follow the Hadith); they have Christian and Mandeaen friends; they oppose theocratic parties in Iraq; they are vehemently against terrorism and have no justification for Al-Qaida for instance; they don't mind me eating non-Halal meat; and they don't mind their daughter not wearing Hijab...etc.
    What's more important is their reaction when I told them I was an atheist. They were upset yet understanding. At first I got the sense that they thought that it was just a "phase" that I was going though in order to justify to myself having pre-marital sex. In other words they though it was simply a "youth revolt" and they didn't take me seriously. But then as days went by and they started to realize that it was a genuine apostasy they became a bit more uncomfortable. My father did once threaten to cut me off financially but I knew he was bluffing  Wink. You have to put in mind that I still live with them and I'm still financially dependent on my father.
    As of now, we all live a normal life and I try as much as I can to avoid bringing it up. My father pleads with me every now and then to reconsider Islam but in a non-threatening manner. My mum grumbles about it all the time and always reminds that "my life is empty"; in a calm easygoing way nevertheless Smiley. All in all, they've been much better than I expected.


    As for my sister who's 4 years younger than me, well she's a piece of work. She is an unwavering believer who wouldn't even discuss religion with me. On the other hand, she sometimes skips prayers; she doesn't wear hijab and is determined to never wear one; she's a feminist who hates the norms and traditions of Iraqi and Muslim society; and she takes issue with some Hadith regarding the relationship between husband and wife. 
    I can't comprehend how she can logically hold such contradictory views  Huh?
    Anyway, I do have hope that she will follow in her brother's footsteps  Smiley

    I hope you all share your experiences with your families.

    Peace
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #10 - December 23, 2009, 03:37 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P3zcjriPnM

    What do you think about that^ guy?

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #11 - December 23, 2009, 03:55 AM

    @Kafirist
    I love this guy. It should be noted that even though he's a Sheikh, in the 2005 general elections he didn't run with the theocratic Shiite party "National Iraqi Alliance"; Instead he ran with the secular "Iraqi National List" which I voted for.

    Although I'm an atheist, I would be much more comfortable with Islam if all Muslim leaders were like him.


    Peace
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #12 - December 23, 2009, 04:11 AM

    Mar7aba 3azeezy Mohamed. far away hug

    Welcome to the forum. I know how you feel Afro

    ...
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #13 - December 23, 2009, 04:15 AM

    @Kafirist
    I love this guy. It should be noted that even though he's a Sheikh, in the 2005 general elections he didn't run with the theocratic Shiite party "National Iraqi Alliance"; Instead he ran with the secular "Iraqi National List" which I voted for.

    Although I'm an atheist, I would be much more comfortable with Islam if all Muslim leaders were like him.


    Peace


    Yeah, he seems like a genuine fighter for reform. I hope more vocal proponents for secular liberal democracy arise in the muslim world.

    Anyways, I think you'll enjoy the discussions on these forums. You seem like a polished intellectual type so you'll appreciate most here tend to be more balanced critics of Islam from a humanist and rationalist perspective.   Smiley

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #14 - December 23, 2009, 05:34 AM

    As shiiat do you think that all Hadiths by Aisha is not valid?

    ...
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #15 - December 23, 2009, 05:48 AM

    As shiiat do you think that all Hadiths by Aisha is not valid?

    I really haven't the faintest idea nor do I care to be honest with you. I do have an uncle who has always had a peculiar interest in Islamic history and I vaguely recall him saying something about Aisha being a bitch to Ali or sth like that !!

    Glad I no longer use up any neurons for this gibberish  Wink
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #16 - December 23, 2009, 05:53 AM

    Glad I no longer use up any neurons for this gibberish  Wink


     Cheesy

    ...
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #17 - December 23, 2009, 06:09 AM

    Ahlen wa sahlen habibi, hale bel aziz Smiley ani hamen iraqi Wink

    for everybody else, abrogated translation:

    welcome habibi Smiley im also iraqi Wink
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #18 - December 23, 2009, 06:37 AM

    Ahlen wa sahlen habibi, hale bel aziz Smiley ani hamen iraqi Wink

    for everybody else, abrogated translation:

    welcome habibi Smiley im also iraqi Wink

    Hala beehom a3'ati  Smiley  (Hi there mate!)

    Do you live in Iraq? are there anymore Iraqis in this forum?

    Take care
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #19 - December 23, 2009, 06:49 AM

    Welcome. Any opinions on the Iraqi Freedom Congress?

    fuck you
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #20 - December 23, 2009, 07:25 AM

    Welcome. Any opinions on the Iraqi Freedom Congress?

    Holly shit !!! I never knew we had Chomskyan socialists in Iraq. The thing is, when I was in Iraq I didn't know shit and now that I have learnt a thing or two I stopped caring about Iraq. So no, I have no opinion. I will definitely read the articles though.

    Thanks a bunch for mentioning this  Afro.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #21 - December 23, 2009, 07:32 AM

    Hala beehom a3'ati  Smiley  (Hi there mate!)

    Do you live in Iraq? are there anymore Iraqis in this forum?

    Take care


    I live in the Nordic parts of Europe and grew up here most of my life Cheesy I dont think there are other iraqis? Not sure though..
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #22 - December 23, 2009, 07:59 AM

    Holly shit !!! I never knew we had Chomskyan socialists in Iraq. The thing is, when I was in Iraq I didn't know shit and now that I have learnt a thing or two I stopped caring about Iraq. So no, I have no opinion. I will definitely read the articles though.

    Thanks a bunch for mentioning this  Afro.


    I think most of them are labor union activists in Iraq. Met a few of these guys when some US unions sponsored some tours of Iraqi union delegates few years back. I think Namazie's former* sister organization in Iraq is also prominent in the IFC. Though, honestly, bein that I've become more cynical and less political in the last couple of years, I haven't been keepin up with stuff like that.

    *There was a split in the Worker Communist Party of Iran, and the Worker Communist Party of Iraq sided with the split of the WPI.

    fuck you
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #23 - December 23, 2009, 08:34 AM

    It's a breath of fresh air to see such voices in Iraq  Smiley. I personally don't consider myself a socialist (being for private property and free market competition). Nonetheless, I consider them "my people " because I share most of their views like  anti-imperialism, social progressivism, pacifism, anti-nationalism, civil liberties, anti-racism, anti-homophobia....etc.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #24 - December 23, 2009, 01:54 PM

    Mashallah
    The Kafir Ummah is growing larger everyday.  dance

    TAKE BEER

    Welcome BTW  Wink

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #25 - December 23, 2009, 02:24 PM

    Hala beehom a3'ati  Smiley  (Hi there mate!)

    Do you live in Iraq? are there anymore Iraqis in this forum?

    Take care

    not sure, you could check the member list by nationality but not sure where that is..

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  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #26 - December 23, 2009, 03:19 PM

    For the record, shi'ahs only cite hadiths from the prophet or the 12 imams. It is true that shias think aisha was a bitch because she supported abu bakr for caliphate rather than ali. Nonsense in my opinion, but then again, most of Islam is nonsense in my justified opinion.

    Be yourself.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #27 - December 23, 2009, 10:46 PM

    Mashallah
    The Kafir Ummah is growing larger everyday.  dance

    TAKE BEER

    Welcome BTW  Wink


    Thanks  Smiley  and BTW Beer is really great specially with some crisps  Wink
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #28 - December 26, 2009, 10:27 AM

    Holly shit !!! I never knew we had Chomskyan socialists in Iraq. The thing is, when I was in Iraq I didn't know shit and now that I have learnt a thing or two I stopped caring about Iraq. So no, I have no opinion. I will definitely read the articles though.

    Thanks a bunch for mentioning this  Afro.


    There are tons of em down in Ghartan. I think the communists pretty much run the Neighborhood council there

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Ex-Muslim from Iraq
     Reply #29 - December 26, 2009, 01:01 PM

    Where is Ghartan? never heard of it
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