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  • Hi!!
     OP - December 23, 2009, 09:12 AM
    Hi everyone, my name is Nima and I'm an Iranian living in Canada.
    I have never really been a muslim but I was raised under the Islamic republic education system and that consists of years and years of brain washing. However since my parents, along with a lot of other Iranians, aren't really muslim all that brainwashing was useless.
    Anyways, the main reason I joined this forums is because I have never had the chance to communicate with non muslim arabs and after spending 5 minutes reading this forum I knew that this would be my only shot!  Cheesy
    And are there any other Iranians on this?

    Edit:
    okay I just spent some more time reading around this froum and damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
    finally a place where I won't be attacked by angry muslims for telling the truth!
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #1 - December 23, 2009, 09:35 AM
    Salam chetori Smiley

    More truth for the people!! When you can, please share your thoughts and ideas with us  Wink

    I know of one Iranian in CEMB, AbbasMerreli (sp?).
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #2 - December 23, 2009, 09:37 AM
    Hey Nima, welcome to our forum.  Smiley
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #3 - December 23, 2009, 09:42 AM
    thanks for the greetings

    @ blackdog
    where are you from?

    I still can't believe there is such a thing as an atheist arab!  dance
    There is still hope for peace between arabs and Iranians  far away hug
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #4 - December 23, 2009, 09:49 AM
    I'm from Iraq, grown up with Iranians. I used to have love/hate relationship with Iranians, mainly because of your secular attitude, and also of the sometimes rampant anti-Islamic views. It?s only afterwards, when I myself studied Islam objectively that I realized you guys were on the right haha. Still have to do more studying but its looking more and more like a religion made for Arabs, men and set in the 7th century.

    Also I have never liked the Iranian regime, ever. And now even less so.

    I can?t wait to start partying with Iranians haha, you guys have some of the most beautiful women and very hospitable as people Smiley
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #5 - December 23, 2009, 09:52 AM
    Hi Nima,  signwelcome to the forum, I'm not Iranian but Indian Zoroastrian(well my father's Zoroastrian, mom's Muslim), my ancestors were Iranian.  Smiley
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #6 - December 23, 2009, 10:02 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 23, 2009, 09:49 AM
    I'm from Iraq, grown up with Iranians. I used to have love/hate relationship with Iranians, mainly because of your secular attitude, and also of the sometimes rampant anti-Islamic views. It?s only afterwards, when I myself studied Islam objectively that I realized you guys were on the right haha. Still have to do more studying but its looking more and more like a religion made for Arabs, men and set in the 7th century.

    Also I have never liked the Iranian regime, ever. And now even less so.

    I can?t wait to start partying with Iranians haha, you guys have some of the most beautiful women and very hospitable as people Smiley



    sweet
    I've always thought Iraqis were some of the most secular arabs.
    And you haven't seen anything until you've been to Iran! I don't know if it's the hijab or what but Iranian women in Iran are a million times hotter than Iranian women outside of Iran (I guess there is more to choose from so I see more hotties at a given time lol).
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #7 - December 23, 2009, 10:02 AM
    I love Iranian girls... and I love Iranian culture as well.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #8 - December 23, 2009, 10:04 AM
    Quote from: Rashna on December 23, 2009, 09:52 AM
    Hi Nima,  signwelcome to the forum, I'm not Iranian but Indian Zoroastrian(well my father's Zoroastrian, mom's Muslim), my ancestors were Iranian.  Smiley


    oh wow
    I'm trying to become zoroastrian out of nationalistic reasons even though I'm atheist.
    And I thought parsis never married non Zoroastrians?


    btw how can I change my avatar?  
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #9 - December 23, 2009, 10:16 AM
    Quote from: Nima on December 23, 2009, 10:04 AM
    oh wow
    I'm trying to become zoroastrian out of nationalistic reasons even though I'm atheist.


    Well, I'd be really glad if some Iranians returned to their Zoroastrian roots, Zoroastrianism has fast dwindling numbers & it'd be a real pity if this ancient faith died out due to lack of adherents.

    Quote from: Nima on December 23, 2009, 10:04 AM
    And I thought parsis never married non Zoroastrians?


    Parsis are encouraged to never marry non Zoroastrians, but actually it happens frequently, Parsis have high educational qualifications & many have immigrated to the West, where there are extremely few Zoroastrians around, so they date & eventually often end up marrying non Zoroastrians, even in India, plenty marry Hindus, Sikhs or Christians. Besides, Parsi women, unlike Muslim women have a lot of freedom to travel & work wherever they like, so they often end up meeting & marrying non Zoroastrian men.

    More than Parsis, Muslim women seldom marry non Muslims who refuse to convert to Islam, my mother is one of the few Muslimahs I know who married a non Muslim man without his conversion to Islam.
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #10 - December 23, 2009, 10:24 AM
    interesting!
    And don't worry mate, Zoroastrianism is not dying.


    The five fastest growing religions in terms of relative growth compared to existing size of religion:
    1.    Zoroastrianism    2.65%
    2.    Bah?'?                    2.28%
    3.    Islam                    2.13%
    4.    Mandeans            2.12%
    5.    Sikhism                    1.87%



    Now that doesn't include Iran since in Iran conversion isn't allowed.

    In Iran people are turning towards Zoroastrianism however (although their papers say they're muslim).

    Type this in youtube and watch the video (I can't post links yet)
    "Don't let young Shia Muslims to become Zoroastrian (Mullah gets paranoid!)"

    It's a mullah talking about how Iranians are moving towards the zartoshty religion.
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #11 - December 23, 2009, 10:31 AM
    Hiya. Avatars are set under Profile > Forum Profile Stuff > Avatar stuff on the right side. Something like that anyway. grin12
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #12 - December 23, 2009, 01:48 PM
    Hi Nima
    I don't know a lot of Iranians but so far the ones I have met are very nice people.  Wink
    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #13 - December 23, 2009, 02:12 PM
    Hi and welcome  Afro  btw where is christianity in the list below, and also whats its the source?

    Quote from: Nima on December 23, 2009, 10:24 AM
    interesting!
    And don't worry mate, Zoroastrianism is not dying.


    The five fastest growing religions in terms of relative growth compared to existing size of religion:
    1.    Zoroastrianism    2.65%
    2.    Bah?'?                    2.28%
    3.    Islam                    2.13%
    4.    Mandeans            2.12%
    5.    Sikhism                    1.87%



    Now that doesn't include Iran since in Iran conversion isn't allowed.

    In Iran people are turning towards Zoroastrianism however (although their papers say they're muslim).

    Type this in youtube and watch the video (I can't post links yet)
    "Don't let young Shia Muslims to become Zoroastrian (Mullah gets paranoid!)"

    It's a mullah talking about how Iranians are moving towards the zartoshty religion.

    My Book     news002       
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  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #14 - December 23, 2009, 03:32 PM
    Hey Nima. Love your avatar! Fuck Khamenei!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #15 - December 23, 2009, 03:41 PM
    I don't think he's Khamenei...  He's (the ayatollah) probably Iraqi..
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #16 - December 23, 2009, 03:42 PM
    welcome! islamic education was the bane of my life every sunday for 12 years  Cry
    Be yourself.
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #17 - December 23, 2009, 03:57 PM
    Welcome my friend.
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #18 - December 23, 2009, 04:49 PM

    Hi Nima!

    Welcome welcome welcome  Afro
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #19 - December 23, 2009, 07:03 PM
    Quote from: Nima on December 23, 2009, 09:12 AM
    Hi everyone, my name is Nima and I'm an Iranian living in Canada.
    Anyways, the main reason I joined this forums is because I have never had the chance to communicate with non muslim arabs and after spending 5 minutes reading this forum I knew that this would be my only shot!  Cheesy
    And are there any other Iranians on this?


    One of our family's good friends when I was growing up was an Iranian atheist.  None of his kids are Muslim today, nor are any of his nephews and nieces.  Only the grandparents are still Muslim. 

    So you are still a believer in gods, then, or what is it about Zoroastrianism that interests you?
    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #20 - December 24, 2009, 04:18 AM
    Quote from: Infidel on December 23, 2009, 01:48 PM
    Hi Nima
    I don't know a lot of Iranians but so far the ones I have met are very nice people.  Wink


    thank you

    Quote from: IsLame on December 23, 2009, 02:12 PM
    Hi and welcome  Afro  btw where is christianity in the list below, and also whats its the source?


    sorry I can't post links yet (I think b/c I don't have enough posts yet).
    And those numbers were "relative growth based on the size of the religion"
    I think Christianity is the biggest religion so it wouldn't come up on the chart

    Quote from: ras111 on December 23, 2009, 03:41 PM
    I don't think he's Khamenei...  He's (the ayatollah) probably Iraqi..

    it's khamenei
    the soldier is Iraqi though
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #21 - December 24, 2009, 04:23 AM
    Quote from: AbbasMerali on December 23, 2009, 03:42 PM
    welcome! islamic education was the bane of my life every sunday for 12 years  Cry


    lol
    I had:
    arabic class twice a week (although that didn't start until grade 6 I think)
    dini class twice a week
    quran class three times a week
    Friday prayers in school every week
     grin12

    Quote from: Manat on December 23, 2009, 07:03 PM
    One of our family's good friends when I was growing up was an Iranian atheist.  None of his kids are Muslim today, nor are any of his nephews and nieces.  Only the grandparents are still Muslim. 

    So you are still a believer in gods, then, or what is it about Zoroastrianism that interests you?


    no I don't believe in god
    The only reason I'm converting to Zoroastrianism is b/c I want to study the religion and help it become more widespread.
    After this regime leaves MILLIONS will want to leave Islam.
    Zoroastrianism was the religion of Iran's father, Cyrus the great. For 2500 years we have kept it alive. Until Zoroastrianism is alive, we can hope that one day Islam will leave Iran.
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #22 - December 24, 2009, 04:31 AM
    Quote from: Nima on December 24, 2009, 04:23 AM
    The only reason I'm converting to Zoroastrianism is b/c I want to study the religion and help it become more widespread.
    After this regime leaves MILLIONS will want to leave Islam.
    Zoroastrianism was the religion of Iran's father, Cyrus the great. For 2500 years we have kept it alive. Until Zoroastrianism is alive, we can hope that one day Islam will leave Iran.


    Don't you think that Iranians have had enough of religion after 30 years of the Islamic Republic? I think the future belongs to secularism and humanism, not yet another ancient religion.

    I admire Zoroastrianism, and Iranians should be damned proud of their heritage and revive learning of this ancient religion, no doubt. But I don't think re-establishing a 2500 year old religion int he 21st century is really realistic.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #23 - December 24, 2009, 04:40 AM
    well Zoroastrianism can be looked @ as a philosophy or a religion.
    For example a person is never born into the religion. The initiation ceremony must be after the age of 7 so that the person understands the religion.
    Its main pillars are good words, good deeds and good thoughts and it asks you to be a good human being through out your life etc...
    It's not like the Ibrahamic religions AT ALL so it can definitely be looked at as a philosophy.

    I do however agree with what you say but you must understand that Iranians are EXTREMELY nationalistic and we must take advantage of that to take people away from the "arab people's religion." That is the only way IMO that people will move away from Islam all together.
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #24 - December 24, 2009, 05:15 AM
    Hmm, well I'm no expert on Zoroastrianism, but it's history is shows it to be a clearly organized religion with a very powerful priesthood/clerical class - not so different from todays clerical class. At least in the old persian empires thats how it was. And Zoroastrian revivalism seems to appeal to the more educated middle and upper Iranians, especially the diaspora. The lower class and poorer Iranians (akmedinijad voters) are too staunchly Muslim to ever embrace Zoroastrianism and replace Islam - and they are the majority of Iran.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #25 - December 24, 2009, 05:55 AM
    Quote from: Nima on December 23, 2009, 10:24 AM
    interesting!
    And don't worry mate, Zoroastrianism is not dying.


    The five fastest growing religions in terms of relative growth compared to existing size of religion:
    1.    Zoroastrianism    2.65%
    2.    Bah?'?                    2.28%
    3.    Islam                    2.13%
    4.    Mandeans            2.12%
    5.    Sikhism                    1.87%



    Now that doesn't include Iran since in Iran conversion isn't allowed.

    In Iran people are turning towards Zoroastrianism however (although their papers say they're muslim).

    Type this in youtube and watch the video (I can't post links yet)
    "Don't let young Shia Muslims to become Zoroastrian (Mullah gets paranoid!)"

    It's a mullah talking about how Iranians are moving towards the zartoshty religion.


    Hi Nima, I googled that video, thanks for the video & those figures, you made my day!  Afro

    Quote from: Nima on December 24, 2009, 04:23 AM
    no I don't believe in god
    The only reason I'm converting to Zoroastrianism is b/c I want to study the religion and help it become more widespread.


    I don't believe in God either Nima, I'm agnostic, more than half the Zoroastrians I know are agnostic or atheistic, belief in God isn't at all important to contemporary Zoroastrians.

    Like you said, Zoroastrians like Jews have an ancient heritage, which we Parsees have managed to preserve despite plenty of odds, its being part of this history & culture which is important for Zoroastrians, rather than a belief in Ahura Mazda-its about a religion originating in Iran, the glories of Cyrus the Great, being a people with a monumental past.

    I think that if the scourge of Islam is to truly die out, people need to be given alternatives other than atheism, for I know many who truly feel a need to belong to a religion for various reasons. I welcome conversions to Zoroastrianism, to the Bahai faith etc for that reason.

    Take someone like Reza Aslan, his parents had realised how vile Islam is, his father was a virulently anti Islam atheist-agnostic, his mother became a Christian. He reverted to Islam, I think Zoroastrianism is a great alternative for such people for it'd give them a pride in their roots, a religion which has a pretty  reformed attitude to women currently as well as satisfy the need for religion & roots which many people feel.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #26 - December 24, 2009, 06:18 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 23, 2009, 09:35 AM
    Salam chetori Smiley

    More truth for the people!! When you can, please share your thoughts and ideas with us  Wink

    I know of one Iranian in CEMB, AbbasMerreli (sp?).


    And Maryam Namazie of course-- she doesn't post in the forum but she does head up the CEMB.

    Quote from: Nima on December 24, 2009, 04:40 AM
    well Zoroastrianism can be looked @ as a philosophy or a religion.
    For example a person is never born into the religion. The initiation ceremony must be after the age of 7 so that the person understands the religion.


    First off, welcome to the forum. Second, initiation into religion also happens later within certain sects of Christianity (notably Catholicism with the sacrament of confirmation and Baptism and other "born-again" Protestant sects that practice "believers baptism"), but that doesn't make them any less religious/superstitious.

    Quote
    It's not like the Ibrahamic religions AT ALL so it can definitely be looked at as a philosophy.


    AT ALL? Considering the fact that Zoroastrianism provided many of the basic theological foundations of the Abrahamic faiths, I would say that's an overstatement.

    Quote
    I do however agree with what you say but you must understand that Iranians are EXTREMELY nationalistic and we must take advantage of that to take people away from the "arab people's religion." That is the only way IMO that people will move away from Islam all together.


    Why not a secular nationalist ideology?

    Again, welcome.
    fuck you
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #27 - December 24, 2009, 07:22 AM
    Quote from: Kafirist on December 24, 2009, 05:15 AM
    And Zoroastrian revivalism seems to appeal to the more educated middle and upper Iranians, especially the diaspora. The lower class and poorer Iranians (akmedinijad voters) are too staunchly Muslim to ever embrace Zoroastrianism and replace Islam - and they are the majority of Iran.


    c'mon that's an ignorant thing to say

    1) according to you the majority of Iran are lower class and poor and also ahmadinejad supporter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  grin12
    More than 80% of Iran are urban dwellers and definitely not poor by Iranian standards. We collectively live in economic hardships. The majority of the country are middle class (again by Iranian standards). AND THE MAJORITY OF IRAN DOES NOT SUPPORT AHMADINEJAD!!!! Not even a fifth of Iran supports him.
    He was voted into office the first time only because he promised to fix the economy. That was the sole reason he got to power. The people didn't care about his anti Israeli and American attitude, they just wanted a better economy. Under Ahmadinejad however, IRan experienced its largest inflation figures b/c of his absolute retarded economic policies. Why would the farmer whose savings shrunk by half during ahmadi's term in office vote for him again?Huh??
    Not even the poor farmers voted for him. That election was the biggest sham in the history of elections.

    2) They're muslims today precisely because there aren't any other options nor have they been educated about other religions.

    100 years ago Iranians were wearing burqas!!!!!!! 30 years ago women were wearing mini skirts in public and a woman with a full hijab was looked at funny. How is that possible? How is it possible that in a matter of one lifetime a society could change so much?Huh??
    Reza shah and his son Mohamad Reza shah used nationalism to bring people towards modernization and secularism. This can be achieved in less than a life time again because now we don't need to convince the people anymore as they have witnessed it by themselves.
  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #28 - December 24, 2009, 07:26 AM
    Quote from: Nima on December 24, 2009, 07:22 AM
    c'mon that's an ignorant thing to say

    1) according to you the majority of Iran are lower class and poor and also ahmadinejad supporter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  grin12
    More than 80% of Iran are urban dwellers and definitely not poor by Iranian standards. We collectively live in economic hardships. The majority of the country are middle class (again by Iranian standards). AND THE MAJORITY OF IRAN DOES NOT SUPPORT AHMADINEJAD!!!! Not even a fifth of Iran supports him.
    He was voted into office the first time only because he promised to fix the economy. That was the sole reason he got to power. The people didn't care about his anti Israeli and American attitude, they just wanted a better economy. Under Ahmadinejad however, IRan experienced its largest inflation figures b/c of his absolute retarded economic policies. Why would the farmer whose savings shrunk by half during ahmadi's term in office vote for him again?Huh??
    Not even the poor farmers voted for him. That election was the biggest sham in the history of elections.

    2) They're muslims today precisely because there aren't any other options nor have they been educated about other religions.

    100 years ago Iranians were wearing burqas!!!!!!! 30 years ago women were wearing mini skirts in public and a woman with a full hijab was looked at funny. How is that possible? How is it possible that in a matter of one lifetime a society could change so much?Huh??
    Reza shah and his son Mohamad Reza shah used nationalism to bring people towards modernization and secularism. This can be achieved in less than a life time again because now we don't need to convince the people anymore as they have witnessed it by themselves.


    Your right, the "majority" bit was me sort of stating something I actually have no actual facts on, so sorry about that! I guess I just presumed.

    About the elections and nature of Iranian society before the revolution I'm not sure about either. But Iran always seems to have had a generally conservative muslim rural and lower class. I can't imagine how the revolution could have happened and remained in power without at least some major support from some segment of the population.

    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Hi!!
     Reply #29 - December 24, 2009, 07:33 AM
    @ Q-man
    you're absolutely right
    This is the problem with this religion. In a way it is no different than any other monotheistic religion in its structure etc... but in practice it couldn't be more different. One can look at the Parsis of India who are Zoroastrins or the zoroastrians of IRan and see how they live and act. They couldn't be more different than christians and muslims.

    And we can't change the people's views with a secular nationalist ideology for many reasons
    1) Although very nationalist, Iranians have always been religious. If you look @ Iran's history you'll see that monotheism was being practiced THOUSANDS OF YEARS before arabs!!
    Look at Turkey and Ata Turk's attempt to create a secular country. He of course achieved that but Turkish people are far more religious than many other middle easterners and even more religious that many IRanians. You will see Iranians badmouthing Islam but never a Turk!!
    I want Islam out of IRan and I also don't want Christianity to take root. We need smtg to feel in the vacuum and Zoroastrianism is the best option. Not only is it doable, it is also one of the most accepting and peaceful religions that exist today.
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