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  • I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     OP - December 23, 2009, 10:38 PM
     dance

    And I find I share a lot of views with those expressed on this forum. I'm looking forward to reading and discussing more.

    Ciao from Qatar!

    BTW, the resemblance to Joan of Arc is in the fact that she died for her beliefs. I'm no Catholic or saint. In fact I am a Muslim.  grin12
    One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying. (Joan of Arc)
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #1 - December 23, 2009, 10:41 PM
    Welcome! Smiley
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #2 - December 23, 2009, 10:47 PM
    Welcome Joan!

    Quote from: Joan of Arc on December 23, 2009, 10:38 PM
    In fact I am a Muslim.  grin12


    How Muslim? Converted?
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #3 - December 23, 2009, 10:55 PM
    Hiya.  Afro  Grab a beer non-alcoholic grape juice and make yourself at home.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #4 - December 23, 2009, 11:05 PM
    Welcome Smiley Just out of curiosity what branch of Islam do you belong to? This question is in response to you stating that you share our views which usually tend to go against orthodox Islam.
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #5 - December 23, 2009, 11:11 PM
    Yes, converted 9 years ago. I don't use the term "revert" because I don't accept the arrogance of stating that everyone is born a Muslim until they are lured off the path by the evil forces of other religions. I spent a good part of my life as a Christian (some of it observant and some less so) and to imply that being a Christian was some invalid period in my life, is an insult to my parents and myself. ANd btw, I did not convert in the process of marrying a Muslim. I chose it on my own.

    However, "how Muslim?" -- well let me just say "Muslim enough to believe in one God and Mohammed as his prophet, along with a number of others. But not so Muslim that I won't enjoy a glass of wine in my welcome party  lipsrsealed

    And truth be told, since living in the Arab world and seeing the changes of the last 5 years or so, I would say that everything is open for questioning at this point.  Wink
    One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying. (Joan of Arc)
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #6 - December 23, 2009, 11:12 PM
    When I converted I converted to Sunni Islam here in Qatar. In practice, I would be closer to Sufism without the twirling and mysticism grin12
    One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying. (Joan of Arc)
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #7 - December 23, 2009, 11:14 PM
    Sorry, a forewarning, you're gonna get loads of questions. I hope you don't mind Smiley If you do please let us know Smiley We're a curious bunch haha

    What has changed in the past 5 years?
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #8 - December 23, 2009, 11:22 PM
    Maybe it is my idealism that has changed the most in response to what I have seen and experienced of the so-called Clash of Civilizations.

    Maybe it is related to living in a country where the people are supposedly being more empowered to take part in their governance and as they do that, one sees that they want something far more medieval than the Qatar of the present Emir.

    Maybe it is related to meeting and getting to know more and more Muslims, rather than the lovely selected few who first taught me about Islam as a religion of love and mercy.

    It's an awfully big question and one that I shall give thought to and try to organize those thoughts in a way that will do ustice to the subject.
    One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying. (Joan of Arc)
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #9 - December 23, 2009, 11:26 PM
    Welcome Joan!

     Greetings

    Your journey into and through Islam sounds a lot like my journey.

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #10 - December 23, 2009, 11:28 PM
    Quote
    Maybe it is related to meeting and getting to know more and more Muslims, rather than the lovely selected few who first taught me about Islam as a religion of love and mercy.

    There's more then enough ex-convert-muslims on this forum who can relate to that.

    Whatever it is that is troubling you, I hope you find your answers Smiley
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #11 - December 23, 2009, 11:33 PM
    Thanks everybody  Smiley
    One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying. (Joan of Arc)
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #12 - December 23, 2009, 11:51 PM

    Hi Joan welcome to the forum  Afro
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #13 - December 24, 2009, 12:13 AM
    Hi there Joan, signwelcome
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #14 - December 24, 2009, 12:14 AM
    Welcome Joan, I would have thought living in the gulf was enough to put anyone off Islam for life.
    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #15 - December 24, 2009, 12:16 AM
    lol Pakman. If I stayed much longer, indeed it would. But I should be leaving very soon:

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=7956.msg196437#msg196437
     grin12

    One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying. (Joan of Arc)
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #16 - December 24, 2009, 12:20 AM
    Try Saudi, you'll discover true Islam there before the persians and hindu's toned it down and added some sophistication.
    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #17 - December 24, 2009, 12:22 AM
    No thanks. If I don't get out of the Arab world I will lose my religion altogether   Tongue
    One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying. (Joan of Arc)
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #18 - December 24, 2009, 12:24 AM
    Trust me Joan its not such a bad thing.
    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #19 - December 24, 2009, 12:25 AM
    You mean just like Jeffery Lang almost lost his religion Tongue Isn't that funny? I mean that's where Islam originated.
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #20 - December 24, 2009, 12:27 AM
    Quote from: pakman on December 24, 2009, 12:24 AM
    Trust me Joan its not such a bad thing.


    Pakman not telling you what to write here, so please forgive me, but leave her be Smiley We shouldn't make ex-muslim dawa. People at the end of the day need to live with their beliefs, or lack thereof. However, a good debate never hurt anyone Wink
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #21 - December 24, 2009, 12:29 AM
    Sorry if I came across preachy, it was just a passing comment. If I was preaching I would have gobe straight for the jugular and bought up slavery, rape, wife-beating and hell fire.
    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #22 - December 24, 2009, 12:31 AM
    ROTFL
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #23 - December 24, 2009, 12:33 AM
    I think if he lived here he would have.

    Honestly, one is much freer to try to understand Islam and implement it in their lives in the way that works for them far outside of the so-called Muslim world.
    One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying. (Joan of Arc)
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #24 - December 24, 2009, 12:37 AM
    No problem. I very, very rarely get upset about anyone taking issue with my faith and would never take issue with anyone's lack of faith.

    To give you an idea of how willing I am to consider controversial subjects I headed straight to the forum on Women in islam  grin12
    One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying. (Joan of Arc)
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #25 - December 24, 2009, 12:38 AM
    Quote from: Joan of Arc on December 24, 2009, 12:33 AM
    I think if he lived here he would have.

    Honestly, one is much freer to try to understand Islam and implement it in their lives in the way that works for them far outside of the so-called Muslim world.



    That's the thing. He did. Well in Saudi. For a year I think? He started losing faith, or felt suffocated and finally decided to leave. He also mentioned the very same thing, that it's easier to practice Islam in the West. Which honestly makes little sense, to me at least. Because religious Muslims in the West will say the opposite, that in fact it's easier to be a muslim in Muslim countries. Grass always greener argument.
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #26 - December 24, 2009, 12:43 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 24, 2009, 12:38 AM

    That's the thing. He did. Well in Saudi. For a year I think? He started losing faith, or felt suffocated and finally decided to leave. He also mentioned the very same thing, that it's easier to practice Islam in the West. Which honestly makes little sense, to me at least. Because religious Muslims in the West will say the opposite, that in fact it's easier to be a muslim in Muslim countries. Grass always greener argument.


    Firstly, Joan welcome to the forum.

    @Blackdog. Are we talking about Jeffrey Lang here? Has he left the faith?
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #27 - December 24, 2009, 12:44 AM
    One year is nothing. Try 11!  finmad

    But I would say that these so-called "religious Muslims" in the West are really "political Muslims" who are simply spewing the party line that promotes the inevitable clash of civilizations.
    One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying. (Joan of Arc)
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #28 - December 24, 2009, 12:46 AM
    Quote
    @Blackdog. Are we talking about Jeffrey Lang here? Has he left the faith?


    Nonono, he wrote about his experience in Saudi in one of his books. I think it was in "Losing my Religion".
  • Re: I'm not an Ex-Muslim but some of my best friends are....
     Reply #29 - December 24, 2009, 12:47 AM
    Quote from: Joan of Arc on December 24, 2009, 12:44 AM
    One year is nothing. Try 11!  finmad

    But I would say that these so-called "religious Muslims" in the West are really "political Muslims" who are simply spewing the party line that promotes the inevitable clash of civilizations.


    Actually I was referring to myself AND other religious muslims. I for a long time wanted to move to one of the Gulf countries and/or Malaysia, Indonesia. Don't think that will ever happen now  Roll Eyes
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