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 Topic: Who is celebrating Xmas?

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  • Who is celebrating Xmas?
     OP - December 24, 2009, 05:38 PM
    Are you celebrating this year?  do you have a tree and all the works?

    Did you celebrate it before you became an ex muslim?

    To the never been muslims, espcially atheist ones, do you celebrate it?

    I am, I have decorations, lights outside my front door, christmas tree all decorated, with candy canes that keep getting nicked by the kids lol and later on I shall be laying down all the presents......fucking wasted money  Cheesy.

    I do it because I always fantasised about xmas, having family around, all of that stuff you see on western TV.
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #1 - December 24, 2009, 05:48 PM
    Being from a pretty liberal Muslim family we always put lights up around the house and doors, we live in a bit of upper middle class white neighbourhood so its a bit also out of a desire not to look like the grinchy Musulman. But not really the whole works though. We never 'celebrated' it formally, but simply used the holiday time and the days off to get together and buy some good shit on boxing day. Its fun time of the year where I can wear nice sweaters and look classy and actually appreciate the snow for a second or two.

    I don't have any particular feelings for it, though I know my lil sister always fantasised about christmas as a kid and was in tears when she realised we were actually Muslims and won't be getting a christmas tree - this was when we first move to Canada (and in the winter too!).
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #2 - December 24, 2009, 05:57 PM
    Nah, I dont celebrate it.  Simply because I cant be arsed.  Bah Humbug.
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #3 - December 24, 2009, 05:59 PM
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    my lil sister always fantasised about christmas as a kid and was in tears when she realised we were actually Muslims and won't be getting a christmas tree


     Cheesy  That's cute, reminds me of my tearful moments as a child when I learned all the things I couldn't have as a muslim.  Tongue
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #4 - December 24, 2009, 06:00 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on December 24, 2009, 05:57 PM
    Nah, I dont celebrate it.  Simply because I cant be arsed.  Bah Humbug.


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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #5 - December 24, 2009, 06:01 PM
    There'll be a family comtogether tomorrow with presents for the children. But I don't celebrate Christmas

    Here's a Pagan Christmas poem I heard today:

    Christmas roses are red...
    Santa does as he pleases...
    'cause the "one God" is dead...
    And so is baby Jesus!

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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #6 - December 24, 2009, 06:11 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 24, 2009, 05:38 PM
    I do it because I always fantasised about xmas, having family around, all of that stuff you see on western TV.


    And it's really nice huh? Smiley Do your kids like it?

    My view as a never-been-muslim atheist: It's my favourite family moment, I like the idea of putting a tree IN the house (I have one) and it's also great when I visit my old folks: they light the fireplace before we unpack the gifts. Real winter atmosphere Smiley But lighting a lot of candles instead of a fireplace would probably also do the trick. I also visit church (good classical music for bargain) and I also like to observe christians do their thing, being a bit of voyeur Tongue Actually usually I'm not the only infidel in church, mostly there about 3 people refusing to do the communion thing.

    If I marry an atheist in the future, I will keep on celebrating it, with a tree, but not with nativity scene figurines. But it's good to remember what the Christian heritage is about ..

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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #7 - December 24, 2009, 06:17 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 24, 2009, 05:59 PM
    Cheesy  That's cute, reminds me of my tearful moments as a child when I learned all the things I couldn't have as a muslim.  Tongue


    Haha, but thankfully my parents were pretty loose Muslims and did get a little mini-tree for her the next christmas. I don't get why musulmans get all wound up over christmas, not like it has anything to do with jebus anyways. It's a fucking seasonal celebration, shit humans have been doing for ages.
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #8 - December 24, 2009, 06:26 PM
    Quote from: Max on December 24, 2009, 06:11 PM
    And it's really nice huh? Smiley Do your kids like it?

    My view as a never-been-muslim atheist: It's my favourite family moment, I like the idea of putting a tree IN the house (I have one) and it's also great when I visit my old folks: they light the fireplace before we unpack the gifts. Real winter atmosphere Smiley But lighting a lot of candles instead of a fireplace would probably also do the trick. I also visit church (good classical music for bargain) and I also like to observe christians do their thing, being a bit of voyeur Tongue Actually usually I'm not the only infidel in church, mostly there about 3 people refusing to do the communion thing.

    If I marry an atheist in the future, I will keep on celebrating it, with a tree, but not with nativity scene figurines. But it's good to remember what the Christian heritage is about ..

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    Yeah the kids enjoy it, they are on edge now just waiting for tomorrow lol

    For me, I think I over idealized the whole xmas thing when I couldn't have it, now that I can have it and have celebrated it for the last few years, I would scrap it all together.  But the kids love it, so I do it for them now.

    I'm just scrooging on the burden of buying gifts.  Cheesy
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #9 - December 24, 2009, 06:28 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on December 24, 2009, 06:17 PM
    Haha, but thankfully my parents were pretty loose Muslims and did get a little mini-tree for her the next christmas. I don't get why musulmans get all wound up over christmas, not like it has anything to do with jebus anyways. It's a fucking seasonal celebration, shit humans have been doing for ages.


    More like non muslims, and of course with Islam, you can't imitate the kuffar in anyway, don't take their ways as your own, hence no xmas.

    Sucks man.
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #10 - December 24, 2009, 06:54 PM
    Sorry for pissing on everyones bonfire, but certainly when I was muslim I never felt as though I was missing out on anything. Why would I? Whether as a child or adult, we had two eids to celebrate so had a huge gathering of family and friends coming around making merry and dishing out presents.

    I guess when you live in a city that is predominantly Pakistani and has a large muslim population, you tend not to give a shite about celebrating christmas. Truth be told, when I was a hardcore sunni muslim, I thought that those muslims who wanted to celebrate christmas and felt as though they were missing out, had a huge inferiority complex. I used to feel insulted at work when colleagues used to ask and assume that my kids were missing out on something if they didn't celebrate christmas. Like I said coming from a huge muslim family, it was never an issue. Even now my kids have expressed no desire to celebrate it because of the two eids.

    As an atheist, I see eid and christmas as harmless human celebrations. But I still celebrate both eids because I just see it as part and parcel of the predominant culture I grew up with. I still don't feel the need to celebrate christmas, for those who do celebrate it as atheist ex-muslims, I don't begrudge you it. I will ask however if there are any of you who forfeit eid and instead adopted christmas why?
  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #11 - December 24, 2009, 06:57 PM
    Last weekend was festivus in New Jersey. We did the whole christmas thing with my sister who came up with her kids from florida because she's divorced and doesn't get the kids on Christmas this year. Tonight is Christmas dinner with my in-laws who have a tree and even their stupid dog will be dressed as an elf. Tomorrow I have to drag my ass and the bunch all the way back to New Jersey  to celebrate the real christmas with my parents and my other sister's family, because although we exchanged some gifts on festivus we held a lot back so we could blow our load on the real day.

    I will be in my pajamas all day, playing whatever computer games there are, assembling kids toys, playing snooker with my dad (I think he owns the only snooker tabled in New Jersey) and of course drinking and eating to excess.


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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #12 - December 24, 2009, 07:00 PM
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    I will ask however if there are any of you who forfeit eid and instead adopted christmas why?


    Because aside from my kids I have no family to celebrate eid with, because eid wasn't a large affair in my family and there are no good memories for me to fall back on.

    However as a child I lived in a childrens home between the ages of 4 - 7 and they gave me good xmas memories to cherish and miss.

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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #13 - December 24, 2009, 07:04 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 24, 2009, 07:00 PM
    Because aside from my kids I have no family to celebrate eid with, because eid wasn't a large affair in my family and there are no good memories for me to fall back on.

    However as a child I lived in a childrens home between the ages of 4 - 7 and they gave me good xmas memories to cherish and miss.




    Sure, that's understandable and a perfectly reasonable justification. If I had rotten memories of my family or Islam then I might react in the same manner.
  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #14 - December 24, 2009, 07:05 PM
    Eh, not really. My celebrating Christmas has been really off and on since I moved away from home, and even more so since my grandparents died and my ma managed to estrange herself from her brothers and sister. I never get a tree-- though I do have a Festivus pole  Smiley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus

    Some years I'll put up lights and cook up a traditional feast for family and/or friends, but this year not even doin that. The years I don't I do a "Jewish Christmas", either solo or with Jewish and/or other friends that aren't observing Christmas that year for whatever reason-- go to the movies and eat Chinese food. That's what I'll be doin tomorrow with some friends on the other side of South Philly. For Christmas eve tonight, I'll probably clean my house, get drunk and make some drunken Merry Christmas calls to various family members-- my family is pretty damn atomized at this point in my life.

    For Muslims/ex-Muslims who were always jealous of the Christians around this time-- it's fun as a kid, but it's pretty much all downhill after you realize there's no Santa, and with the increasingly atomized and dysfunctional state of Western families, the reality often doesn't match the images of the holiday in popular culture. It's a pretty depressing and/or stressful time for a lot of people. In the US, suicide rates jump around the winter holiday season.
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #15 - December 24, 2009, 07:18 PM
    @ Omaar Khayaam

    If, in the future, you start a family with a non-muslim, who's never been muslim. Will you still celebrate the eid(s)?

    I'm interested in how people loose/keep/change their traditions.
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #16 - December 24, 2009, 07:21 PM
    Quote from: Submissive Bob on December 24, 2009, 06:57 PM
    even their stupid dog will be dressed as an elf.


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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #17 - December 24, 2009, 07:23 PM
    Quote from: Max on December 24, 2009, 07:18 PM
    @ Omaar Khayaam

    If, in the future, you start a family with a non-muslim, who's never been muslim. Will you still celebrate the eid(s)?

    I'm interested in how people loose/keep/change their traditions.


    I've not thought about that maybe because I'm quite happily married with a muslim woman whom I dearly love.
  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #18 - December 24, 2009, 07:27 PM
    I have never celebrated it and not celebrating it today. I just wish I had bought some damn liqour *facepalm* and some more food as well. Everything is fucking closed over here.

    I would like to celebrate it once, with a beloved Wink But I'm not sure I'd want to do it if I had kids haha simply because of the stress that invariably follows along. However, all the people I've met who celebrate it tell me it's very stressful but it's nice to be gathered with family, to eat fantastic meals and share gifts.

    So all in all, I'd try it once.
  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #19 - December 24, 2009, 07:28 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 24, 2009, 07:21 PM
    >> dog will be dressed as an elf

    ROTFL


    yeah hahah! I do have a christmas present for a dog this year, the bulldog's gonna be really happy with my old bright orange basket ball.

    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on December 24, 2009, 07:23 PM
    I've not thought about that maybe because I'm quite happily married with a muslim woman whom I dearly love.

    Just wondering, good to hear that!
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #20 - December 24, 2009, 07:30 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on December 24, 2009, 05:48 PM
    I know my lil sister always fantasised about christmas as a kid and was in tears when she realised we were actually Muslims and won't be getting a christmas tree - this was when we first move to Canada (and in the winter too!).


    I can totally relate to that! I had exactly the same reaction when I first found out we won't get a christmas tree etc  Cry

    I don't celebrate christmas cuz i'm in Pakistan right now, I'm not sure if I would celebrate it when I move out, it'll depend on the circumstances. I probably would. I do say merry christmas to all of my non-muslim friends.
  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #21 - December 24, 2009, 07:33 PM
    Yeah saying Merry X-mas has ALWAYS been a given. It's fucking rude not to. And I hate the "happy holidays" greeting, wtf we all know its Christmas, why try to change that?
  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #22 - December 24, 2009, 08:07 PM
    Similar to berbs, I'd fantasise a lot about having an amazing christmas when I was a kid, partly because I grew up in a non-muslim dominated area, partly because untill mum got religious we would decorate the house for christmas and I remember having a plastic christmas tree, and a small one before, but then mum got religious and it all stopped. Can't remember getting presents for christmas though.

    Eid was not a big deal either, would get no presents for eid, sometimes it was a small amount of money (which didn't matter much since I wasn't even allowed out to spend it), we'd just dress up and go over grandparents to meet relatives and and would have fancy food. Then a family argument resulted in no more visits to relatives. So eid ended up being just putting on new clothes and sitting at home.

    Christmas on the other hand, everyone at school would be talking about it, giving out christmas cards and presents, it'd be everywhere on tv, in the shops, things starting to be more 'christmasy'. Whereas eid was nothing...untill on the day of eid i was expected to smile grin12 (fake) and be 'happy' - like jeez, what's there to be excited about, i'll just end up having to sit at home again, doing the usual things, like the rest of the days of my life.
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #23 - December 24, 2009, 08:44 PM
    No I don't celebrate Christmas.  I don't exchange presents and I don't put up any decorations.

    However seeing as everyone's off work we have a family meal.
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #24 - December 24, 2009, 08:51 PM
    I don't celebrate christmas either, but enjoy the time off work!
  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #25 - December 24, 2009, 09:09 PM
    Eid's never been any fun. We just dress up, visit other relatives and eat somosas and rice. It's nothing special and everyone hates it.

    Christmas has always been great. When we were kids we would get presents which dad would sneak into our bedrooms while we were sleeping, it was awesome! We didn't do anything else apart from that. Nowadays, since last year we make a christmas dinner but with stuffed chicken rather then turkey. We were going to go to a restaurant today as a treat from my dad (we've kinda outgrown affordable presents Tongue) but it snowed too heavily last night. I made everyone a home made pizza instead, came out really well  grin12 We're having stuffed chicken tomorrow.

    I've brought my sisters and brother some of the sweets and candy we used to enjoy when we were younger for their christmas present. Kind of a nostalgia thing, I'll be giving it to them at midnight tonight, they cant wait Tongue
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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #26 - December 24, 2009, 09:37 PM
    I really really like home made Christmas cake. I'm having some for breakfast.  yes

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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #27 - December 24, 2009, 09:39 PM

    Roast potatoes, roast turkey, all the trimmings, yum yum can't wait.

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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #28 - December 24, 2009, 09:42 PM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on December 24, 2009, 06:54 PM
    I guess when you live in a city that is predominantly Pakistani and has a large muslim population, you tend not to give a shite about celebrating christmas.


    Omar, do you mind me asking (you don't have to answer because I understand people want their privacy), did you grow up in the north of England?

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  • Re: Who is celebrating Xmas?
     Reply #29 - December 24, 2009, 09:44 PM
    Quote from: billy on December 24, 2009, 09:42 PM
    Omar, do you mind me asking (you don't have to answer because I understand people want their privacy), did you grow up in the north of England?




    I did indeed.  Afro
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