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 Topic: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?

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  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #60 - January 06, 2010, 01:39 AM

    >> Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?

    well ..

    If I consider the exmuslims on this forum, I get a rather positive impresssion of Pakistani Britons / Britons of Pakistani descent. If I consider some intelligent people on TV, I get a rather positive impression of Pakistani Britons. But, let's be honest, people from one culture are more fundamentalist than others.

    In my country the Turkish Dutch are more islamic than the Indonesian Dutch, but the Moroccan Dutch are more islamic/fundamentalist than all of them. And so are the Somali's. (When using the word 'somali' I hear Cher's song playing in the background, 'if only we could turn back time', 'cos when I see a child-hijab, it's usually a girl of somali descent with a cute pink headscarf.)

    So, the answer to the question of why Brittain is the centre of western islamic extremism, and the answer why I often end conversations with "at least we don't live in Brittain" is:

    Pakistani Britons.

    Sorry  Embarrassed

    Once he was in power, they needed him there, to make sense of their lives.

    (a book critic about stalin)
  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #61 - January 06, 2010, 09:47 AM

    Reminds me a bit of what Rabbi Sacks said about his forefathers who were from Poland; wondering whether his family would have integrated if there was no need to learn English and integrate into the landscape. Immigrants need to ask themselves; are they immigrating to become woven into the fabric of British society or are they immigrating to creating a mini-India, mini-Pakistan, mini-Bangladesh etc. with all the 'wonderful' backward traditions like acid throwing, forced marriage and FGM.


    Regardless of what other people want to think, people who sit glued in from of Indian / Islamic channels all day long and refuse to learn English, watch or do anything British / Western, or integrate into the society of the country they have moved to are far far more likely to become terrorists, or even just completely hateful of the west then people who integrate and love the culture of the country they have moved to. There are a lot of Indian people here who are no different to a lot of extremist muslims who completely hate everything and anything to do with Britain, the west, or basically anything that isnt Indian.

    One would need to have grown up in a shit hole like Bradford among the shitty asian communities here that completely disown western culture and life their lives exactly as they would in less developed rural parts of India and Pakistan.

    With that being said, it would be interesting to know why Canada, America, New Zealand, Australia - for example, aren't facing the same problems as the UK are.


    Because they arent so laid back and accepting of immigrants who do not adapt to their culture perhaps? They arent putting up Mosques and Temples every few miles that hire wackjob speakers that preach anti western ideologies and terrorism to their kids? P.S. the form of hinduism that exists among 'desi' communities in places like Bradford is just as bad as some of the more oppresive and intollerant forms of Islam.

    Maybe they also dont have mosques and Islamic schools containing text books which advocate violence towards christians, jews and all non muslims too. I'm looking for the video on this atm.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #62 - January 06, 2010, 09:59 AM

    Heres a couple of videos:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNZQ5D8IwfI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnOdD46WI0M&feature=related

    Jihad in the West.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #63 - January 06, 2010, 01:08 PM

    I quoted the nut case because in your post you're trying to claim as if there was some sort of inbuilt nativism that exists in the unwashed masses.


    Kaiwai, seriously, don't project shite like that onto my posts. I didn't say anything of the sort.

    Quote
    With that being said, it would be interesting to know why Canada, America, New Zealand, Australia - for example, aren't facing the same problems as the UK are.


    Why don't you read the thread then? That's why I created it.




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #64 - January 09, 2010, 06:18 AM

    An email I received last night, this went out to all students:

    Quote
    subject   UCLU response to suspected act of terrorism
          
    Attempted Act of Terrorism
    The following is an extract from a press release issued by UCLU yesterday.
    The full statement is online at www.uclu.org.

    "Following the arrest of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab on suspicion of
    attempting to detonate an explosive device on 25th December 2009, UCLU can
    confirm that he was President of the Islamic Society in 2006-07.
    Since the
    incident, UCLU has been co-operating with the authorities in all
    investigations.
    UCLU is disturbed by press reports claiming that UCL and the UCLU Islamic
    Society were 'complicit' in the radicalisation of this individual and would
    urge our members, the public and the press to refrain from being suspicious
    of the Muslim community.
    Extremist and violent behaviour has no place in UCLU activities, and we are
    committed to ensuring that there is no platform for the radicalisation of
    our student members UCLU is committed to encouraging free speech and
    thought-provoking debate. We currently support nine different faith groups
    and are dedicated to allowing them all to express their opinions and
    practise their religion in a safe and non-discriminatory environment. We are
    proud of the fact that our societies provide opportunities for our students
    to openly debate a broad range of philosophical, moral and global topics;
    this sort of vigorous debate should be encouraged, not restricted."

    We want to remind students that Islamophobic harassment and bullying will
    not be tolerated on campus or amongst UCL students. We would urge all
    students to report any incidents to their tutors, to Dr Ruth Siddall, Dean
    of Students (Welfare) on dean.of.students@ucl.ac.uk or Nicki Challinger, UCL
    Union Welfare Officer on w.officer@ucl.ac.uk. Below is  also the contact
    phone number of the London Metropolitan Police should there be any further
    assistance required and experiences of prejudicial behaviour encountered on
    part of students following the recent events or in case any student has
    relevant information; please note UCL Union will consider all matters very
    seriously and support appropriate action to safeguard the welfare of each
    and every student at the University.
    London Metropolitan Police hotline: 0800 789 321

  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #65 - January 09, 2010, 01:30 PM

    Quote
    We want to remind students that Islamophobic harassment and bullying will
    not be tolerated on campus or amongst UCL students.

     

    A common experience on various campuses amongst students of a wide variety of backgrounds is of what amounts to bullying and intimidation by Islamist students at university. I have been told by a few people from universities in the north, and one from a southern university who said the same thing - that the Jewish student society, the Gay student society, and the Indian students society, had their posters defaced, and their meetings disrupted by aggressive and unsettling 'brothers' - I also saw at first hand this kind of thing, because I mixed with a crowd of the brothers and sisters at university once.

     If universities had got to grips with this and taken on board the concerns of people a long, long time ago, we wouldn't be in this situation now. Islamists seem to have a free hand to spread their 'phobias' whilst receiving protection themselves - this is why this country is getting fed up of it all. And make no mistake - jihadis and extremist Islamists have operated on campuses in Britain without challenge because the ostriches have been too scared of being accused of being called 'Islamophobic' and 'racist'.

     

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #66 - January 09, 2010, 05:24 PM

    I quoted the nut case because in your post you're trying to claim as if there was some sort of inbuilt nativism that exists in the unwashed masses. I simply pointed out that the attitude was mutual and probably a lot more common within those respective communities than mainstream society would care to admit.

    With that being said, it would be interesting to know why Canada, America, New Zealand, Australia - for example, aren't facing the same problems as the UK are.


    I live in Canada and one of the reasons is because Canada has more of a backbone. Ontario rejected Sharia, so thats says something. Another thing is that Muslims integrate a little better in Canada than the UK, but its still nothing special.

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #67 - January 09, 2010, 06:28 PM

    lol Canada has a backbone?  Cheesy

    This country is a haven of political correctness, a weak legal system that lets violent murderers go scot-free, and Canada has a back bone?

    Sharia was rejected in Canada because of the tireless works of Muslims and Ex-Muslims. Canadian liberals and feminists were pretty much quite little multiculturalists sitting in the corner and would have let sharia march right into Ontario if it weren't for the works of the Muslim Canadian Congress and Homa Arjomand. It is Muslim Canadians that are at the forefront of dealing with any extremists in the country. It was a Muslim Canadian (albiet a fundie) that exposed Canada's most serious terror plot.

    Canadians haven't done jackshit in this regards, if anything they are often on the side of the extremists and fundamentalists because they don't want to look 'racist'. Canadian have a backbone.. pfft. I've been around the liberal and lefty circles in Canada, your average NDP socialist types would let Canada become a Islamic Republic before they spoke out against Sharia.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #68 - January 09, 2010, 10:25 PM

    I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me Iblis. For sure canada is a PC obsessed country, but UK is worse when it comes to PC.

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #69 - January 09, 2010, 10:55 PM

    Quote
    For sure canada is a PC obsessed country, but UK is worse when it comes to PC.


    The UK is changing though. Politicians, journalists, opinion formers, institutions are definitely waking up and understanding the ideologies of Islamist extremism, I have no doubt about it. Still not perfect, still far to go, but it is changing for sure.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #70 - January 22, 2010, 09:16 AM

    Sorry to bump this up but it was only on page two, I found this article interesting:

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/britain-named-extremist-hub-20100116-mdci.html

    Quote
    BRITAIN has the greatest number of Islamic extremists linked to al-Qaeda of any Western country and poses a grave risk to international security, the US Government believes.

    Terrorist groups are using Britain as a base to plot attacks around the world, say officials.

    American leaders believe the Government is failing to combat the threat of extremism among Muslims living in Britain.

    ''The UK has the greatest concentration of active al-Qaeda supporters of any Western country,'' a senior US official told London's Daily Telegraph. ''As a result, no Western country has been more threatened than the UK, but the UK-based al-Qaeda network poses not only a potent threat to Britain but to the rest of the world.''

    The disclosure of American fears will increase transatlantic tensions over the attempted terrorist attack on an airliner above Detroit last month.

    Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the would-be suicide bomber, has said his attack was inspired and directed by al-Qaeda.

    It has been claimed he was radicalised in London, where the Nigerian was a student between 2005 and 2008. British officials insist that he became a terrorist in Yemen.

    US officials believe European Muslims are more likely than their US counterparts to subscribe to extremist doctrines. The US prides itself on ''assimilating'' all immigrant groups into mainstream culture, while European nations including Britain have pursued a policy of multiculturalism. Critics say it leaves Muslims at risk of being alienated from wider society and susceptible to radical movements.

    ''The level of al-Qaeda activity in Britain is becoming a major source of concern,'' said a senior US State Department official. ''(Its) ability to use Britain as a base to plot terror attacks constitutes a serious threat to the security of Britain and other Western countries.''

    The failed Detroit attack has renewed attention on Britain's record in dealing with terrorism.

    Abdulmutallab's attack was the second al-Qaeda attempt to bring down a US-bound plane that could be linked to Britain. In 2001, Richard Reid, of London, tried to explode a bomb in his shoe on a flight to Miami.

    Among some US politicians and security experts, London has been dubbed ''Londonistan'' because of the presence of so many radical Muslims and mosques with connections to extremist preachers.

    British universities are a particular concern. Abdulmutallab was president of the Islamic Society at University College London in 2006-2007.

    Although the July 7 bombings in London in 2005 were the only fatal al-Qaeda attacks in Britain, many other plots have been disrupted. Jonathan Evans, the head of MI5, said in 2008 that his service was aware of about 2000 radicalised Muslims in Britain who might be involved in terrorism plots. The US believes that number has since risen.

    US intelligence officers are also concerned about the number of British Muslims travelling to Yemen to become involved in extremist activity.


    No surprise, I guess.
  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #71 - January 22, 2010, 05:47 PM


    Yeah, its been like that for a while.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #72 - March 01, 2010, 12:36 AM


    There is a major, major undercover investigation carried out by the Telegraph newspaper and Channel 4, into the infiltration of Tower Hamlets council in London by Jamaat-e-Islami and Islamic Forum Europe activists - hardline Mawdudi disciples, their brazen ideology is shocking.

    Harry's Place and the Spitoon are onto it:

    +++++

    Entryism Exposed


    The Sunday Telegraph has published four articles about the Islamic Forum of Europe’s baleful influence on politics in East London.

    The IFE is closely linked to Jamaat-e-Islami, a South Asian Islamist group. For a look into its thinking, see this speech last week by its leader Syed Munawar Hasan:

    The JI chief said that in order to malign Jehad, the Western Media, at the instance of the US, had been dishing out false news and circulating these through the ISPR [the public relations unit of Pakistan's armed forces]. He said the activities of the Muslims against the non-Muslim forces in Palestine, Afghanistan, Kashmir and Iraq were real Jehad that would end up in the liberation of occupied Muslim states. He said the oppression of the non-Muslim powers had compelled the Muslim youth to rise against the tyrants. Street terrorism was the weapon of the weak people, he said. The Muslim masses, he said, were more worried about the state terrorism of the US-crony Muslim rulers than the attacks of the aliens as this had increased terrorism and lawlessness. Syed Munawar Hasan pointed out that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) during his ten years of life at Madina, as also his companions, continuously waged Jehad against the infidels. The Holy Quran contained as many as 486 verses that were considered as verses on Jehad. The Muslim Ummah today, was confronting hardships on all sides and the enemy was taking it as soft fodder while the US was labeling Jehad as terrorism only to bring it bad name However, the Muslims all over the world had raised the banner of Jehad to demonstrate their love for the Holy Prophet (pbuh). The objectives of the Hizbullah in Lebanon, Hamas in Palestine and Hizbul Mujahideen in Held Kashmir were the same.


    A Jamaat rally

    One of the IFE’s founders, Chowdhury Mueen-Uddin, is a war criminal, according to a Channel 4 documentary made in the 1990s:

    In March 1971, Chowdhury Mueen-Uddin, a journalist at the Daily Purbodesh, was an active member of the Islami Chaatra Sangha (ICS) – the student wing of the Jammat-I-Islami which actively opposed Bangladesh liberation war and aided the Pakistani military.

    In August 1971, the Jamaat-e-Islami, according to its own newspaper the Daily Sangram(5), set up the Al-Badr Squad comprising members of the ICS to violently combat the forces supporting Bangladesh’s liberation. Mueen-Uddin became a member of the Al-Badr.

    Bangladesh Obsever reported on December 29th, 1971, “Chowdhury Mainuddin, a member of the banned fanatic Jamaat-e-Islami, has been described as the “operation-in-charge” of the killing of intellectuals in Dhaka by Abdul Khaleq, a captured ring leader of the Al-Badr and office bearer of the Jamaat-e-Islami.”

    New York Times reports on 2 January 2 1972 – “to his fellow reporters on the Bengali-language paper where he worked, Chowdhury Mueenuddin was a pleasant, well-mannered and intelligent young man…there was nothing exceptional about him except perhaps that he often received telephone calls from the leader of a right-wing Moslem political party. But, investigations in the last few days show that those calls were significant. For Mr. Mueenuddin has been identified as the head of a secret, commando like organization of fantatic Moslems that murdered several hundred prominent Bengali professors, doctors, lawyer and journalists in a Dhaka brick yard. Dressed in black sweaters and khaki pants, members of the group, known as Al-Badar, rounded up their victims on the last three nights of the war…Their goal, captured members have since said, was to wipe out all Bengali intellectuals who advocated independence from Pakistan and the creation a of a secular, non Moslem state.”

    Here are some excerpts from today’s articles.

    Islamic radicals ‘infiltrate’ the Labour Party

    Speaking to The Sunday Telegraph, Jim Fitzpatrick, the Environment Minister, said the IFE had become, in effect, a secret party within Labour and other political parties.

    “They are acting almost as an entryist organisation, placing people within the political parties, recruiting members to those political parties, trying to get individuals selected and elected so they can exercise political influence and power, whether it’s at local government level or national level,” he said.

    “They are completely at odds with Labour’s programme, with our support for secularism.”

    Mr Fitzpatrick, the MP for Poplar and Canning Town, said the IFE had infiltrated and “corrupted” his party in east London in the same way that the far-Left Militant Tendency did in the 1980s. Leaked Labour lists show a 110 per cent rise in party membership in one constituency in two years.

    Since Mr Rahman became leader, more council grants have been paid to a number of organisations which our investigation established are closely linked to the IFE.

    Funding for other, secular groups was ended or cut. In the borough’s well-known Brick Lane area, council funds were switched from a largely secular heritage trail to a highly controversial “hijab sculpture”, angering many residents who accused the council of “religious triumphalism”.

    The infiltration of Labour

    Leaked Labour Party membership lists obtained by this newspaper provide clear evidence that someone is certainly infiltrating Labour.

    From 2006 to 2008, membership in the Bethnal Green and Bow constituency more than doubled from 551 to 1,159, at a time when the party’s membership nationally was in steep decline. In 2006, the party, like the constituency, was roughly 50-50 Asian and non-Asian.

    But 90 per cent of the new members were Asian. Some 175 joined in a two-week period between Sept 14-28, 2007, and 31 on a single day — Sept 20, 2007.

    Some of the new members told The Sunday Telegraph they were signed up en bloc by Lutfur Rahman, the man accused of rising to the council leadership with the IFE’s help.

    In another case the supposed “members” could not be found and had never appeared on the electoral roll at the address they gave, but a person with the same name as an East London Mosque employee was on the roll at that address. Many other new members have the same names as staff or trustees of IFE-linked organisations. The exercise is not conclusive because many people in the Bangladeshi community have common names — but it is suggestive. The IFE denied it was in any way behind the rise in membership.

    Mr Rahman said: “It is because the people of Tower Hamlets are very politicised, are very committed Labour supporters.”

    Radicals with hands on the levers of power: the takeover of Tower Hamlets

    According to senior IFE activists speaking to undercover reporters for Channel 4’s Dispatches, Tower Hamlets council – with its 15,000 staff and £1.1 billion budget – is their most impressive political achievement yet.

    In secret filming, Abjol Miah, an IFE activist and Tower Hamlets councillor, said: “We’ve consolidated ourselves now. We’ve got a lot of influence and power in the council, councillors, politicians.” Abu Talha, an IFE member, said: “Our brothers have gone into positions of influence, council positions.”

    At the last annual general meeting of the council’s Labour group, Helal Abbas, a former leader, accused the IFE of controlling the council. Many Labour councillors said Labour’s Lutfur Rahman, the council leader, was helped during his campaign by a senior IFE official, who canvassed councillors – both Asian and white – on his behalf.

    Many of the councillors concerned were approached for comment and none would deny it. Typical answers included: “It would be difficult for me to lie, so that’s why I’m not saying anything.”

    After Mr Rahman became leader, Tower Hamlets appointed a new assistant chief executive, Lutfur Ali, who – the investigation established – has links to the IFE. In 2006 Mr Ali set up a group called the Centre for Muslim Affairs. The other directors were trustees of the IFE or directors of other organisations closely connected to it.

    Mr Ali got the £125,000 job even though council-appointed headhunters described him as “rather limited”, “one-dimensional” and “superficial”. They said he might “struggle with the intellectual challenges [of] a highly strategic role”.

    Unknown to the headhunters, Mr Ali was forced to resign from a previous post at the London Fire Authority after breaking rules on political neutrality. He omitted this fact from his Tower Hamlets application.


    Inextricably linked to controversial mosque: the secret world of IFE

    The [East London] mosque and IFE are inextricably intertwined. Dr Mohammed Abdul Bari, the chairman of the mosque, and its vice-chairman are former IFE presidents.

    The director and imam of the mosque are trustees of the group. Of 22 IFE trustees in recent years, only five have not also been trustees or officeholders of the religious centre.

    The mosque calls the IFE a “social welfare organisation” and the IFE presents itself as committed to “community cohesion” and “tolerance”.

    But the undercover reporters discovered that it was also a sophisticated political group with a structured rank system and hardline goals.

    Prospective recruits must attend training. One undercover reporter was told that she would have to take an exam and swear an oath of allegiance and ordered to keep her membership of the IFE a secret.

    Azad Ali, the IFE’s community affairs coordinator, was filmed by the undercover reporters stating: “Democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia, no one’s going to agree with that.”

    The IFE is not itself a violent organisation. None of its members is known to have been personally implicated in any terrorist act and it has, apparently sincerely, condemned terrorist attacks in London.

    However, the IFE appears satisfied to host speakers who advocate hatred and violence. Several of its senior officials, including Mr Ali, until recently defended Anwar al-Awlaki, who is blamed for inspiring at least three terrorist attacks, including September 11 and the attempted underwear bombing in Detroit.

    Several IFE activists and officials, including Mr Ali, support Hamas, which is designated as a terrorist organisation by the British and American governments. Mr Ali advocates the destruction of Israel, justifies the killing of British troops in Iraq, believes al-Qaeda is a “myth” and has praised Osama bin Laden’s mentor, Abdullah Azzam.

    The mosque also insisted it was tolerant and liberal. Its assistant general secretary, Shaynul Khan, claimed it was “at the forefront of promoting integration [and] cohesion”. Dr Bari has promised: “If I hear of a specific preacher inciting hatred, I will ban him from the mosque.”

    The investigation by this newspaper has established that far from being “banned”, hate and extremist preachers regularly appear at the mosque. It has hosted at least 27 of them over the past three years, and at least 18 of them over the past year alone.

    They included Murtaza Khan, who said at the mosque that any woman who used perfume was an adulterer; Bilal Philips, named by the US government as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing; Hussein Yee, who said September 11 was a conspiracy of the Jews; and Mr al-Awlaki, whose last video talk at the mosque, on Jan 1, 2009, was advertised with a poster of New York under bombardment.


    http://www.hurryupharry.org/2010/02/28/entryism-exposed/


    ++++++

    Iblis - note that one of these guys is a suspected war criminal from the 1971 Bangladesh war of independance.

    Everyone also note, tommorow, that is Monday March 1st, on Channel 4 at 8pm, Dispatches has an hour long documentary much of it filmed undercover on this investigation.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #73 - March 01, 2010, 12:38 AM


    Abdul Bari, current head of the Muslim Council of Britain, is a former leader of the IFE, this unapologetic Mawdudi-ist supremacist organisation.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #74 - March 01, 2010, 11:25 AM


    http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?p=3848&highlight=#3848

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?p=3287&highlight=#3287
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?p=2976#2976
    http://www.muslimsandislamic2.faithweb.com/
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?p=841&highlight=#841
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?p=840&highlight=#840
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?p=837&highlight=#837

    I am a student of quran and islam and not an exmuslim.
  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #75 - March 01, 2010, 12:59 PM

    Mughal  gives tons of links from ffi ., I am sorry dear Mughal ., I may agree with many things  you write., (in Fact I Do) But..but  Some words from you  are very odd  for  .e.g here   http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?p=3848&highlight=#3848
     
    you say
    " I think he was a very sad sod " Now you got to explain me what actually you meant by "sod"  .,  sod is usually meant for rich  surface soil to grow grass., Or is it a special British  slang?  like Fit for nothing guy acting "obnoxious"  .. Sorry i am not good in Slang., In fact as many friends say here,  My English is very poor.. Indeed it is.

    I normally use the word "SODOM"  Sex Obsessed Dirty Old Man"...

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Why is Britain the centre of western jihadism & Islamic extremism?
     Reply #76 - March 01, 2010, 04:18 PM

    Thank you dear yeezevee, yes it also means troublesome, contemptible and obnoxious etc person as well.

    Anyway did you like my criticism of muhammad in verse?

    regard and all the best

    I am a student of quran and islam and not an exmuslim.
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