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 Poll

  • Question: Total Fail?
  • WORST - 13 (37.1%)
  • Pretty bad, but not really the worst - 15 (42.9%)
  • Islam stinks, but I don't really know enough about the other religions. - 4 (11.4%)
  • Now way! Islam is fuckin AWESOME!!! - 3 (8.6%)
  • Total Voters: 35

 Topic: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?

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  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #60 - December 29, 2009, 09:39 AM

    humanity perhaps Huh?

    killing children then grilling them is ok for you???


    I think cooking their flesh by smoking it is a better way to do it.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #61 - December 29, 2009, 09:40 AM



    for a fact, their is not a single war that the christian world had been involved in that hadn't the most hideous, most portal, and most savage way of acting.


    I was not aware that there were nice wars that did not have any savagery.  

    Quote
    in my opinion muslims (not islam in particular) had much human attributes than any other power that fought against them.

    Like when the Ottomans took the skulls of Serbs and built towers, and kidnapped their children to turn into shock troops against them when they grew up...

    Quote
    remember the red Indians and the nuclear bombing of japan.


    Well, Japan did have it comin...but speakin of Indians...That 500 year conquest and slaughter of the other Indians was not exactly a hayride in the pumpkin patch either.


    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #62 - December 29, 2009, 09:40 AM

    Anyway, this is the group that the other quotes were referring to: the Tafurs.

    http://www.iltarget.it/tarfur1.htm

    Quote
    Driven by the mirage of wealth, crowds of fanatics left for the Crusades in the Holy Land.

    The winter between 1097-98 was a really harsh one.
    From the walls of Antioch the Turkish garrison was observing the crusaders besieging their town die slowly of starvation. Differently from the Turks, who had a good victual store, the crusaders were withouth strength left in a parched land far from provision sources. Some knights would go away horseback to look for food, other ones would eat their own horses and lowest-ranking crusaders would buy dogs and rats at a high price or simply leave themselves die of starvation. Then, one day, the Turks saw an astonishing scene.
    The most desperate ones among the besiegers were stuffing themselves with large pieces of meat, which had been previously roasted. Their astonishment soon turned into horror. It was the meat of the quartered bodies of their fellows, killed some days before during a skirmish under the walls. The Muslim emir sent some delegates to the Crusader commanders to protest, but they answered that they could do nothing to stop cannibalism. The noble crusaders had to admit that they were not able to tame the tafurs.
    Tafur, probably a Flemish word, meant something like rabble, scum, and with this word the knights who took part in the first crusade would call the crowd of vagabonds who followed them on the way to Jerusalem across Europe. Tafurs have nothing common with the Crusaders, who were not cannibals for sure, nor they shared the same social origins as them. Dressed with sackcloth and covered with sores, they were so poor that they could not afford spears and swords, so they would fight with sharp sticks, clubs and even shovels. Nevertheless, their fierceness compensated the lacks in their weaponry.
    In battles they would scream and grind their teeth, thirsting for blood only; they had no interest in taking prisoners to get a ransom. The Turks would call the crusaders ?Franks? because the majority of them came from France or from the Flanders, but tafurs were living devils, not Franks.
    The liberation of Jerusalem was not surely their highest ambition, they had an even greater desire, that is, to go out of their poverty.
    The First Crusade had been preceded by years of drought, pestilence and famine, and life had become unsustainable for farmers.
    So, when the First Crusade was proclaimed with passionate descriptions of Jerusalem, ?the heavenly town of abundance?, thousands of undernourished farmers, poorly dressed and homeless, took those words literally and headed for the ?land of abundance? which the noble crusaders would have soon conquered for them. A lot of thousands of people, children and women included, crossed Hungary and the Balkans spending their little savings and then looting and stealing to survive. As they reached Constantinople (the present Istanbul) and as the Greeks did not manage to control them, they accepted to ship them across the Bosporus to Asia Minor.
    But when the tafurs, exhausted, landed, they were assaulted and massacred by the Turks, and only three thousand people managed to escape and wait for the main body of the crusader army to come. That group of survivors, hardened by their experience, followed the knights and were more than ever willing to reach the promised land. Determined to obtain the victory, they had united in a ruthless gang and even elected their own king, a former knight.
    Initially, that uncontrollable gang had constituted an embarrass for the official army of crusaders, but very soon their contempt turned into fear. The Turks were terrorized by them.
    Finally, after nine month besiege, Antioch fell into the hands of the crusaders.
    The town was sacked, Muslims and Jews raped and killed.
    Also when Jerusalem was conquered, a large number of prisoners were massacred instead of being kept alive to obtain a ransom.
    Such crimes have been blamed on the fierce farmers, but these are just conjectures, there is no evidence.
    The only thing there is no doubt about is that tafurs, under the walls of Antioch, became cannibals not to die of starvation.


    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #63 - December 29, 2009, 09:47 AM

    ok back to my view on the topic then,

    they are all a huge load of shit, that makes Islam bad but not the worse...you didn't think i am a Islam loving ex-Muslim did you??

    fuck all religions

  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #64 - December 29, 2009, 09:48 AM

    You're kind of barkin up the wrong tree here.
    Medieval Europe was a mess. The crusades are a good example of that. They were a rabble of illiterate religious fanatics lead by greedy opportunists....who did what illiterate religious fanatics lead by greedy opportunists do. Hell, the sacked friggen Byzantine Constantinople...and they were the guys who called them for help.


    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #65 - December 29, 2009, 09:50 AM

    I was not aware that there were nice wars that did not have any savagery.  
    Like when the Ottomans took the skulls of Serbs and built towers, and kidnapped their children to turn into shock troops against them when they grew up...

    Well, Japan did have it comin...but speakin of Indians...That 500 year conquest and slaughter of the other Indians was not exactly a hayride in the pumpkin patch either.


    You're kind of barkin up the wrong tree here.
    Medieval Europe was a mess. The crusades are a good example of that. They were a rabble of illiterate religious fanatics lead by greedy opportunists....who did what illiterate religious fanatics lead by greedy opportunists do. Hell, the sacked friggen Byzantine Constantinople...and they were the guys who called them for help.


    I agree with both of you  Afro

    now repeat after me...fuck all religions

    except for the japan part...no one deserves that

  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #66 - December 29, 2009, 09:52 AM

    Quote
    now repeat after me...fuck all religions

    That's my motto.



    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #67 - December 29, 2009, 09:53 AM


    now repeat after me...fuck all religions




    Yes fuck them all, no one was defending them, as far as I know.  The thing is you are still going to have those atrocities whether you have religion or not.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #68 - December 29, 2009, 09:55 AM


    except for the japan part...no one deserves that


    Would you prefer they were blown up with conventional bombs? Either way, you getting blown up, and Imperial Japan wasnt exactly a bunch of hippies.
    anyway...thats a conversation for another thread.

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #69 - December 29, 2009, 09:59 AM

    Yes fuck them all, no one was defending them, as far as I know.  The thing is you are still going to have those atrocities whether you have religion or not.


    That why I pretty much never bother debating history and politics when debating about religion (unless it is relevant to the revelation or prophet it is based).
    A) It over generalizes, because Abe Lincoln doesnt represent christians anymore than Hitler represents catholics or Mullah Omar represents muslims.
    B) It has no bearing on if it is true or not. And my #1 beef with religion, and the thing that is most important to confront about it..is that it is LIES. No altruistic actions, noble causes, or atrocities change that fact one way or the other .

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #70 - December 29, 2009, 10:14 AM

    I used to be so gullible. I never thought religion could lie. It seemed so self-contradictory. What's the point of religion if it lies? Now I want to find all the lies that I can and revel in them. And fire it back at the holier than thou assholes with their glib remarks and their smug smiles. I never liked those people, even as a religious person. Now I like them even less.

    Oh and in response to this. Of the major religions I have to say I am most disappointed with Islam. Of the minor religions, Scientology takes the prize.

    It's always funny people point out Scientology is not a religion, but a cult. I dare say, what is the difference? In 200 years from now we might all be scientologists. Either from forced conversion or from killing off anybody that doesn't think Tom Cruise is a raving madman after watching him argue for Scientology.
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #71 - December 29, 2009, 10:26 AM

    Would you prefer they were blown up with conventional bombs? Either way, you getting blown up, and Imperial Japan wasnt exactly a bunch of hippies.
    anyway...thats a conversation for another thread.

    bomb soldiers with whatever you want... civilian people shouldn't be bombed at all

    now i do realize thats a moral perspective and that it has nothing with the topic of this thread...so yes this will make a good thread material

  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #72 - December 29, 2009, 10:34 AM

    I know, doesnt it get you mad to think about the lies. Those bastard prophet charlatans who filled humanity with lies.
    I truely hate them.


    It reminds me of something from south park.

    Start watching this clip from 0:50, when John Edwards (a guy who has a show where he claims to talk to dead people, confronts Stan, because stan started his own show where he exposes what John Edwards is doing, and how its a scam)

    http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153784

    John Edward:   So, you think you can talk to dead people better than me, huh?!
    Stan:   No, I don't think either of us can. [Kyle gets up from his seat and leaves the room]
    John Edward:   They told me your show is getting better ratings than mine, that you're saying I'm a fraud on your show! You'd better not ever call me a liar, or a fake, or a douche again, or else I'll sue you for slander!
    Stan:   I'm saying this to you, John Edward, you are a liar, you are a fake, and you are the biggest douche ever!
    John Edward:   Everything I tell people is positive and gives them hope! How does that make me a douche?!
    Stan:   Because the big questions in life are tough: Why are we here? Where are we from? Where are we going? But if people believe in asshole douchey liars like you, we're never gonna find the real answer to those questions. You aren't just lying, you're slowing down the progress of all mankind, you douche!
    John Edward:   I'M NOT A DOUCHE! And I challenge you to a psychic showdown! I'll prove to the world that I'm psychic and you're not!
    Stan:   Fine, douche! [slams one door on him...]
    John Edward:   I'm not a douche [...then the other]

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #73 - December 29, 2009, 10:38 AM

    bomb soldiers with whatever you want... civilian people shouldn't be bombed at all

    now i do realize thats a moral perspective and that it has nothing with the topic of this thread...so yes this will make a good thread material


    Ok, but you'll have to concede then that pretty much every player in every war...ever, acted immorally.  Especially in modern warfare its not as if armies can just gather on the fields of mars and have a battle, and then the king hands his Sceptre to the winner like the opening scene of Troy.
    And in case you are wondering, no I dont think terrorism is inherently any worst from a strictly moral perspective than bombing infrastructure or population centers with conventional weapons.

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #74 - December 29, 2009, 11:32 AM

    This might be obvious to everyone else but I just thought about this. The best way to study religion of the old is to study religion of the new. And right now Scientogy is pretty big, has the celebrities flocking to it.

    It?s not a concidence that its myth is rather sci-fi and the religion tries to attaches itself to "science". The coincidence is not simply because the founder is a sci-fi writer but more because of the popularity of sci-fi and the palpability of its myth today.

    We look at them and go they're nuts!

    Pagan Arabs looked at Mohamed like he's nuts! He actually thinks he is communicating with Allah? He is the messenger? Why him? They were not impressed by the poetry. I wonder if Mo was a poet in his earlier times? Or before his Prophethood?

    Its not a coincidence that he used poetry to persuade people. For example, he could have used magic but he didn?t. It's also not a coincidence that Mo tried to get the "celebrities" of his time to join his religion.

    It's not a coincidence Moses tried magic.

    Not a coincidence Jesus tried healing.
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #75 - December 29, 2009, 12:40 PM


    It's not a coincidence Moses tried magic.

    Not a coincidence Jesus tried healing.


    Maybe they didn't.  Maybe people spun grossly exaggerated stories and invented tales about them, especially Jesus (don't know much about Moses).  It happens all the time.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #76 - December 29, 2009, 12:45 PM

    Of mainstream religions, I think moderate Islam is by far the worst, promoting fear and hate. I think (Baptism) Christianity is the best, promoting unity, love and nurturing emotional intelligence. The other religions are neither as good as Christianity or as bad as Islam. Pretty sweeping statements, yes, for there is no time to get technical on such a topic.
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #77 - December 29, 2009, 12:55 PM

    Many creationists and American christian fundamentalists are also Baptists... 

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #78 - December 29, 2009, 01:10 PM

    Of mainstream religions, I think moderate Islam is by far the worst, promoting fear and hate. I think (Baptism) Christianity is the best, promoting unity, love and nurturing emotional intelligence. The other religions are neither as good as Christianity or as bad as Islam. Pretty sweeping statements, yes, for there is no time to get technical on such a topic.


    Buddhism and Hare Krishna promote unity, love and nurturing emotional intelligence too.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #79 - December 29, 2009, 01:12 PM

    This might be obvious to everyone else but I just thought about this. The best way to study religion of the old is to study religion of the new. And right now Scientogy is pretty big, has the celebrities flocking to it.

    It?s not a concidence that its myth is rather sci-fi and the religion tries to attaches itself to "science". The coincidence is not simply because the founder is a sci-fi writer but more because of the popularity of sci-fi and the palpability of its myth today.

    We look at them and go they're nuts!

    Pagan Arabs looked at Mohamed like he's nuts! He actually thinks he is communicating with Allah? He is the messenger? Why him? They were not impressed by the poetry. I wonder if Mo was a poet in his earlier times? Or before his Prophethood?


    Islam in its nascent stage was Scientology with a machine gun  grin12

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #80 - December 29, 2009, 01:12 PM


    Bahai also promotes unity, love and tolerance.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #81 - December 29, 2009, 01:18 PM

    It's not a coincidence Moses tried magic.

    Not a coincidence Jesus tried healing.

    He might have actually healed people. I think we are yet to make some major discoveries in the field of psychosomatic medicine. Some people do have a certain influence that can actually make the ill feel "healed".
    Of course that is if we assumed Jesus existed in the first place Wink. I highly recommend watching this movie.

    P.S: I'm very confused by you posts BlackDog. At first I thought you were an ex-Muslim but you do seem to be struggling with religion in a healthy way Smiley.
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #82 - December 29, 2009, 01:45 PM

    @IA
    I was muslim when I first posted here. It's been flacking off bit by bit. I don't want to leave religion abruptly and emotionally, but rationally. I'm still a baby, crawling for the first time, about to take my first baby murtad steps.

    And I don't believe Moses or Jesus did those things, people claim it. OK maybe I should start being more precise in my posts. I meant that they used healing and magic, because these symbols & myths were best suited for that time. Poetry and Biblical Qisaas for 7th century Arabia, and Sci-Fi for modern day twerps. In the future? Who knows, maybe more sci-fi? Maybe the next step is to become a God and create cyborgs and robots Cheesy

    The Digital Bible

    010 Thouh Shall Not Spam

    *bleh*

     I have seen that film, I liked it Smiley But I need to read more on the historicity of Jesus. And Moses for that matter.
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #83 - December 29, 2009, 01:50 PM

    @IA
    I was muslim when I first posted here. It's been flacking off bit by bit. I don't want to leave religion abruptly and emotionally, but rationally.


    Wise words, I applaud you.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #84 - December 29, 2009, 01:52 PM

    Islam in its nascent stage was Scientology with a machine gun  grin12



    Good point lol
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #85 - December 29, 2009, 01:52 PM

    Wise words, I applaud you.


    Thanks  Smiley
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #86 - December 29, 2009, 02:05 PM

    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist
    I highly recommend watching this movie.


    I highly recommend you don't bother, because its a load of old shit.  The Jesus Mythers are atheism's equivalent to Young Earth Creationists, every bit as delusional, dishonest and impervious to evidence. 

    On topic - no, not the shittiest religion ever, I think the Aztecs have that one in the bag.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #87 - December 29, 2009, 02:13 PM

    I highly recommend you don't bother, because its a load of old shit.  The Jesus Mythers are atheism's equivalent to Young Earth Creationists, every bit as delusional, dishonest and impervious to evidence. 

    On topic - no, not the shittiest religion ever, I think the Aztecs have that one in the bag.

    by all means thumps up  Afro
    i was about to bring that up

  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #88 - December 29, 2009, 02:23 PM

    I highly recommend you don't bother, because its a load of old shit.  The Jesus Mythers are atheism's equivalent to Young Earth Creationists, every bit as delusional, dishonest and impervious to evidence.  

    On topic - no, not the shittiest religion ever, I think the Aztecs have that one in the bag.


    Cheetah please recommend some good books and documentaries on the Historicity of Jesus Smiley
  • Re: Is Islam the shittiest religion ever?
     Reply #89 - December 29, 2009, 03:15 PM

    Quote from: BlackDog
    I was muslim when I first posted here. It's been flacking off bit by bit. I don't want to leave religion abruptly and emotionally, but rationally. I'm still a baby, crawling for the first time, about to take my first baby murtad steps.

    A very sound approach indeed. I guess you're in a way just like me. The Quran and Hadith ceased to make sense or appeal to me some 5-6 years ago but I never accepted myself to be "officially" an apostate until about 2 years ago. However, it took much less thinking to stop believing in Islam than it took to question the existence of a deity/creator.


    Quote from: Cheetah
    I highly recommend you don't bother, because its a load of old shit.  The Jesus Mythers are atheism's equivalent to Young Earth Creationists, every bit as delusional, dishonest and impervious to evidence.

    I'm not saying it is the word of truth but they do raise a couple of good points. I still believe Jesus of Nazareth existed but at the same time, being a skeptic, I'm willing to watch every movie and read every book there is to reach a better conclusion. And that's not only when it comes to religion. Here's another example: while I believe in evolution and I have studied the theory of natural selection, I am very interested in Stephen Jay Gould's punctuated equilibrium theory and I am planning to borrow some of his books. Just like Bill Maher said "I preach the doctrine of I don't know".
    I highly recommend skepticism.... or maybe I should just stop making recommendations altogether  grin12


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