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  • Question: Should men have the right to have a baby aborted when they're not ready for it?
  • Yes - 10 (19.6%)
  • No - 41 (80.4%)
  • Total Voters: 51

 Topic: Men's right to abortions

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #180 - December 30, 2009, 02:59 PM

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    I think both the man and the woman have an equal right to have the child aborted if they don't want it.

     


    No, you don't.  You know full well that there is no way to share the right to choose equally here between the man and the woman, and you want it removed from the woman and transferred to the man.  You want the woman reduced to a mere vessel for a man's sperm with no legal autonomy over her own body.  And you want that despite being told repeatedly about the potential side effects of an abortion. 

    In short, your argument is narcissistic, misogynistic and completely backward. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #181 - December 30, 2009, 03:04 PM

    Quote from: BerberElla
    Only have sex with someone you trust well enough to know that if such an unwanted pregnancy would arise, she would actually take your feelings into consideration too.

     Roll Eyes grin12 I don't think so. How about ALWAYS keep a couple of condoms in your pocket  Wink just in case one "breaks" which I honestly think is less likely than getting killed in a car crash.

    Quote from: Tommy
    But in the same light, aren't the women that are giving consent to having sex with these strangers, crying when the male doesn't wanna raise the baby and walks out? I think he has every right to walk out, if he doesn't care/ or can't take care of the baby.

    Quote from: liberated
    We need to think of a mutual way which respects both the man and the woman's rights. You thinking only of the woman's rights is not fair

    Quote from: Cheetah
    That's a separate argument Tommy.  Berbs has already said in this thread that if the man doesn't want to be involved then he shouldn't have to.  What we're arguing against is Liberated's notion that if the man doesn't want to be involved he should have the "right" to force the woman to undergo an abortion against her will.

    Abso-fuckin-lutely  Afro to all that

    Quote from: liberated
    I think both the man and the woman have an equal right to have the child aborted if they don't want it.

    No. It's her body. If we were a different species and the fetus gestates on its own outside the female's body then I would grant equal abortion rights to the male and the female.
    Now given that we are humans and the fetus gestates inside the female's body, I wouldn't.

  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #182 - December 30, 2009, 03:05 PM

    Quote
    No, you don't.  You know full well that there is no way to share the right to choose equally here between the man and the woman, and you want it removed from the woman and transferred to the man.  You want the woman reduced to a mere vessel for a man's sperm with no legal autonomy over her own body.  And you want that despite being told repeatedly about the potential side effects of an abortion.  

    In short, your argument is narcissistic, misogynistic and completely backward.


    That is clearly what I'm not saying. I'm giving both parents the right to abort the fetus. For example if the woman doesn't want the child, the man wants it, the 9-month long pregnancy and a childbirth are significantly painful and dangerous enough that a woman has full right over her body to reject the man's requests and get an abortion if she wants to.

    However, a 30-min abortion is much less painful and dangerous than a childbirth surgery and a pregnancy. There is no real physical discomfort there. The only possible issue is psychological trauma which the man would also share esp. in cases when he is pro-life and woman gets an abortion. Hence it is my point that both parents should have the equal right to abortion if they don't want the kid.

    I'm even saying that this law should only occur if the man has used all protection he can, and only during the early stages of pregnancy, unless its by a woman's fault that an early abortion could not be done, and then a later-stage abortion should be done.

    Calling me names etc is not going to prove your point, so try to have a civil debate if you can  Kiss
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #183 - December 30, 2009, 03:07 PM

    That's a separate argument Tommy.  Berbs has already said in this thread that if the man doesn't want to be involved then he shouldn't have to.  What we're arguing against is Liberated's notion that if the man doesn't want to be involved he should have the "right" to force the woman to undergo an abortion against her will.

     I actually got a girl pregnant once (she had a miscarriage) and it really was a stressful situation. Believe it or not, I used a condom, and she was on BC pills. So condoms and pills doesn't prevent pregnancies 100%--even when used in conjunction. From my understanding of this conversation, Liberated is in defense of Men's right, while the Women here feel that a certain "right" is in breach of a Woman's right to freedom. Both sides have good points.

    While I am in favor of Men's right, I won't deny the rights of Women--especially if it's breached. So my conclusion is that a Man doesn't have the right to make a Woman get an abortion, but he does have the right to walk out and not raise the baby, if he is truly incapable. But being a Man, it's a Man's code of Honor to step up to the plate as much as possible. That's what I'd advise any of my friends if they got themselves in a situation like I once did. Despite the stress and what not, I was ready and willing to step up.

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #184 - December 30, 2009, 03:08 PM

    No. It's her body. If we were a different species and the fetus gestates on its own outside the female's body then I would grant equal abortion rights to the male and the female.
    Now given that we are humans and the fetus gestates inside the female's body, I wouldn't.


    Compare the physically easier procedure of abortion with a 9 month long pregnancy and a childbirth which will  be more invasive than an abortion. In that case clearly, in physical terms, abortion is a much easier procedure than pregnancy.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #185 - December 30, 2009, 03:12 PM

    but he does have the right to walk out and not raise the baby, if he is truly incapable.


    Why should it be only when he is truly incapable? What if he simply doesn't want the child? A woman is allowed to abort the child if she doesn't want it, so why is the man not allowed to just walk out  just because he doesn't want it and not because he is incapable of raising it?

    Furthermore think of all the psychological implications of becoming a father without your own consent. The social and psychological consequences throughout a man's lifetime can be immense. Compare those to a 30 min abortion and consider that a 9 month long pregnancy and a childbirth will be much more physically discomforting to the woman than the easy early-stage abortion, and you see that the rights of the man and woman equal up in this case.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #186 - December 30, 2009, 03:14 PM

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    Calling me names etc is not going to prove your point, so try to have a civil debate if you can  


    I didn't call you any names, I merely gave an accurate description of the arguments you have used in this thread.

    Quote
    I'm giving both parents the right to abort the fetus.


    No, you're not.  It doesn't matter how much you try and dress up this stinky proposition in the language of equality, it still doesn't disguise the stink.  You are arguing for men to have the legal right to force women undergo abortions against their will.  You have continued arguing it even though you've been told that abortion can carry the risk of lifelong infertility and psychological problems for the woman, and that the risk of psychological problems will be magnified massively if the abortion is carried out against her will.

    Like I said, narcissistic, misogynist, and very ignorant.  

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #187 - December 30, 2009, 03:19 PM

    Why should it be only when he is truly incapable? What if he simply doesn't want the child? A woman is allowed to abort the child if she doesn't want it, so why is the man not allowed to just walk out  just because he doesn't want it and not because he is incapable of raising it?


    Because that says something about a Man. There are already too many Dads out there who simply walked out on their kid because they didn't want them. I don't respect them much.

    But there are those who had to walk out because they were incapable. That much, I'm willing to accept.

    Even when I was about to have my kid, I wasn't fully financially capable, but I did have a job. And even with that, I was willing to step up to the plate.

    It's how you say.....growing balls.

    Furthermore think of all the psychological implications of becoming a father without your own consent. The social and psychological consequences during a man's lifetime can be immense. Compare those to a 30 min abortion and consider that a 9 month long pregnancy and a childbirth will be much more physically discomforting to the woman than the easy early-stage abortion, and you see that the man and woman have equal rights to abort the child in this case.


    Think of the psychological effect a Man could have if he was pulled into gun fight and had to kill for the first time. PTSD is no joke. But that doesn't stop a Man from becoming an Honorable Soldier.

    A Man shouldn't worry about Psychological stress. A Man's job is to take on responsibilities. Not run away from them. There are gonna be a lot of things in life which a Man will have to put up with despite their lack of consent--that doesn't mean he should bitch and whine about it. A real man sucks it up, and moves on through.

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #188 - December 30, 2009, 03:22 PM

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    No, you're not.  It doesn't matter how much you try and dress up this stinky proposition in the language of equality, it still doesn't disguise the stink.  You are arguing for men to have the legal right to force women undergo abortions against their will.  You have continued arguing it even though you've been told that abortion can carry the risk of lifelong infertility and psychological problems for the woman, and that the risk of psychological problems will be magnified massively if the abortion is carried out against her will.


    You are not even addressing the issues I raise in terms of the effects on the man.  Seriously, like you didn't even read them. Are we that insignificant in your lives? Wow.

    1) The risks of infertility etc are greater during a 9 month pregnancy and childbirth than a 30 minute abortion procedure esp. one done in early stages. Many more women die every day during labor than women die during abortion. The risk is there in both cases, abortion carries much less risk.

    The lady who got infertile by abortion may not have had a comptetent doctor. I know I would get my g/f to the best possible doctor to get an abortion so this risk is minimized as much as possible.

    2) The psychological trauma shared by a pro-life man is also very significant. But that is ignored for legal purposes if the woman wants to get an abortion. Hence, EQUAL RIGHTS indicate that the possible psychological trauma of the woman should also be ignored for legal purposes if the woman is pro-life and the man wants an abortion. What is so hard about this Don't the man's feelings count? Are women going through trauma somehow more important than a man going through trauma?



  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #189 - December 30, 2009, 03:29 PM

    Because that says something about a Man. There are already too many Dads out there who simply walked out on their kid because they didn't want them. I don't respect them much.

    But there are those who had to walk out because they were incapable. That much, I'm willing to accept.

    Even when I was about to have my kid, I wasn't fully financially capable, but I did have a job. And even with that, I was willing to step up to the plate.

    It's how you say.....growing balls.


    What if a man simply can't stand babies? Can't stand the crying, the diaper changes, the interruptions. Personally I would pay for child-support if I was forced to be a dad without my consent, but i know i would not even look at the child or ever meet him. However, I should not be legally obliged to pay for a child that I do not want. Its got nothing to do with balls. And becoming a woman's boy-toy paying for a child you did not want does make you a better man although that's the way society puts it, choosing your own path and sticking to it makes you the alpha-male who puts his happiness over everything else.

    Think of the psychological effect a Man could have if he was pulled into gun fight and had to kill for the first time. PTSD is no joke. But that doesn't stop a Man from becoming an Honorable Soldier.

    A Man shouldn't worry about Psychological stress. A Man's job is to take on responsibilities. Not run away from them. There are gonna be a lot of things in life which a Man will have to put up with despite their lack of consent--that doesn't mean he should bitch and whine about it. A real man sucks it up, and moves on through.


    I disagree, the instinct to kill is present in every man unless he is a very big wimp. I won't hesitate to kill anyone who threatens me or my family although I haven't killed anyone so far in my life. Secondly, just the fact that we are physically tough does not mean that we should have to change our lifestyle to accomodate a woman's decision, or to give up what we want to do in our lives for a baby.

    And seriously, if you look at some men 10-15 years after they have a baby, its like they don't even live for themselves anymore. They look like living corpses. You should not underestimate the damage that the stress of becoming a father can do to a man, esp. if the man did not want the child & was not ready for it.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #190 - December 30, 2009, 03:31 PM

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    1) The risks of infertility etc are greater during a 9 month pregnancy and childbirth


    Pure bullshit.  Pregnancy and childbirth do not carry any risk of infertility, unless the pregnancy is ectopic or the doctor does a botched caesarian.

    Abortion, even in the early stages, and no matter how competent the doctor,  always carries the risk of infertility as a side effect.

    Quote
    You are not even addressing the issues I raise in terms of the effects on the man.  Seriously, like you didn't even read them. Are we that insignificant in your lives? Wow.



    The only way this comment can make sense to you is if you haven't grasped the basic and inviolable concept of a woman as an autonomous human being who has absolute sovereignty over her own body.  That being the case I suggest you are not ready to be having sex with one at all.  Buy a blow up doll instead, or take Tommy's advice.....

    Quote
    It's how you say.....growing balls.


    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #191 - December 30, 2009, 03:32 PM

    Compare those to a 30 min abortion and consider that a 9 month long pregnancy and a childbirth will be much more physically discomforting to the woman than the easy early-stage abortion, and you see that the rights of the man and woman equal up in this case.


    Who is going to go through the abortion?  The man or the woman?... that argument alone should tell you why your argument is wrong.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #192 - December 30, 2009, 03:34 PM

    What if a man simply can't stand babies? Can't stand the crying, the diaper changes, the interruptions. Personally I would pay for child-support if I was forced to be a dad without my consent, but i know i would not even look at the child or ever meet him. However, I should not be legally obliged to pay for a child that I do not want. Its got nothing to do with balls. And becoming a woman's boy-toy paying for a child you did not want does make you a better man although that's the way society puts it, choosing your own path and sticking to it makes you the alpha-male who puts his happiness over everything else.


    Mate its very easy, if you are not prepared to take the risks then don't do it...  So you think that it is right that you screw around and other people pay the bill or go to procedures that might have very harmful effects on their bodies, just because you didn't want it?

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #193 - December 30, 2009, 03:40 PM

    Pure bullshit.  Pregnancy and childbirth do not carry any risk of infertility, unless the pregnancy is ectopic or the doctor does a botched caesarian.

    Abortion, even in the early stages, and no matter how competent the doctor,  always carries the risk of infertility as a side effect.


    Really? Then my mom must be crazy because after I was born the doctors told her that she could not have a baby anymore. And she hasn't had any children since me. Both procedures carry the risk of infertility and I'm sure it depends on a lot of factors too, the risk might be greater in older woman and it may be almost non-existent in women in their 20s.

    Secondly, infertility is a much smaller risk than death, which is almost always risked during every pregnancy and childbirth.  Abortion is a safer procedure than childbirth and no one can dispute that.

    The only way this comment can make sense to you is if you haven't grasped the basic and inviolable concept of a woman as an autonomous human being who has absolute sovereignty over her own body.  That being the case I suggest you are not ready to be having sex with one at all.  Buy a blow up doll instead, or take Tommy's advice.....


    She does NOT have soverignity over her body when it negatively affects a male. If a robber enters a bank and swallows down a diamond, and it is found that the diamond is in his body, should the diamond not be removed because he has a right to soverignity over his body? Women should be responsible and only have sex if they're ready to have an abortion if they get pregnant, or if the man won't make them get an abortion. Why do men have to be the sacrificial lambs, why don't women become more responsible instead and not fuck if they're not ready to have an abortion if they get pregnant?
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #194 - December 30, 2009, 03:41 PM

    And seriously, if you look at some men 10-15 years after they have a baby, its like they don't even live for themselves anymore. They look like living corpses. You should not underestimate the damage that the stress of becoming a father can do to a man, esp. if the man did not want the child & was not ready for it.


    Speaking as a living corpse, it is the man's choice whether he takes on the stress of fatherhood. Many men chose to remain living for themselves and at worst are only burdened by child support payments (if that).

    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #195 - December 30, 2009, 03:46 PM

    Quote
    Really? Then my mom must be crazy because after I was born the doctors told her that she could not have a baby anymore.


    Same with mine, but it wasn't pregnancy or childbirth which caused infertility, it was the increased risk to her health if she got pregnant again.  That's not the same thing at all as forcing a woman to take drugs or undergo an operation against her will which can cause lifelong infertility as a side effect.

    Quote
    She does NOT have soverignity over her body when it negatively affects a male


    Yes, she does.  This is what you are not grasping - everybody, man and woman, has absolute sovereignty over their own body regardless of the effects on anyone else.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #196 - December 30, 2009, 03:47 PM

    Mate its very easy, if you are not prepared to take the risks then don't do it...  So you think that it is right that you screw around and other people pay the bill or go to procedures that might have very harmful effects on their bodies, just because you didn't want it?


    The man should pay for the abortion by all means. But the risk argument is baseless because a pregnancy and childbirth carry more risk than an abortion, a woman is not subject to any higher risks because of an abortion than she would be through childbirth & pregnancy.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #197 - December 30, 2009, 03:50 PM

    Same with mine, but it wasn't pregnancy or childbirth which caused infertility, it was the increased risk to her health if she got pregnant again.  That's not the same thing at all as forcing a woman to take drugs or undergo an operation against her will which can cause lifelong infertility as a side effect.


    Even still, death and all the side-effects of pregnancy are much greater than the side-effects of abortion, so the woman is not subjected to any higher risks during abortion than she has to face through pregnancy.

    Yes, she does.  This is what you are not grasping - everybody, man and woman, has absolute sovereignty over their own body regardless of the effects on anyone else.


    Wow man, are you the god of selective-reading / quote mining or what? You again ignored my example of a robber swallowing a precious diamond and having soverignity over his body so the diamond would not be removed. And you didn't even answer why men have to be the sacrificial lambs, why can't women be more responsible and not fuck if they're not ready for an abortion if they accidently get pregnant.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #198 - December 30, 2009, 03:56 PM

    The man should pay for the abortion by all means. But the risk argument is baseless because a pregnancy and childbirth carry more risk than an abortion, a woman is not subject to any higher risks because of an abortion than she would be through childbirth & pregnancy.


    I believe you still have not come up with backup to prove your claims.  You were asked to confirm this earlier in the thread if I recall,

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #199 - December 30, 2009, 03:59 PM

    I actually got a girl pregnant once (she had a miscarriage) and it really was a stressful situation. Believe it or not, I used a condom, and she was on BC pills. So condoms and pills doesn't prevent pregnancies 100%--even when used in conjunction. From my understanding of this conversation, Liberated is in defense of Men's right, while the Women here feel that a certain "right" is in breach of a Woman's right to freedom. Both sides have good points.

    While I am in favor of Men's right, I won't deny the rights of Women--especially if it's breached. So my conclusion is that a Man doesn't have the right to make a Woman get an abortion, but he does have the right to walk out and not raise the baby, if he is truly incapable. But being a Man, it's a Man's code of Honor to step up to the plate as much as possible. That's what I'd advise any of my friends if they got themselves in a situation like I once did. Despite the stress and what not, I was ready and willing to step up.


     Afro 

    No one is suggesting the man has to stay around and raise a child he doesn't want, the guilt and stress liberated keeps bringing up are what he has to deal with, that's life.  The consequence of a choice.

    He would rather transfer it all onto the woman, as if it's just the womans fault.  Like she won't be stressed or feel lifelong guilt over an abortion.  Roll Eyes

    I would never make someone stay put if I chose to have a baby that wasn't wanted by a partner, I also wouldn't expect a damn thing financially nor would I whine about it.  The consequence of my choice.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #200 - December 30, 2009, 04:00 PM

    Quote
    Wow man, are you the god of selective-reading / quote mining or what?


    What.  Unless you grasp the basic concept of everybody's right to sovereignty over their own body you will not grasp why the rest of the quote was irrelevant.  And yes, that does include a robber who swallows a diamond, you still can't force him to undergo surgery against his will, if he refuses you have to wait for the diamond to pass out of him the natural way.  Get it yet?   Roll Eyes

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #201 - December 30, 2009, 04:01 PM

    Really? Then my mom must be crazy because after I was born the doctors told her that she could not have a baby anymore. And she hasn't had any children since me. Both procedures carry the risk of infertility and I'm sure it depends on a lot of factors too, the risk might be greater in older woman and it may be almost non-existent in women in their 20s.

    Secondly, infertility is a much smaller risk than death, which is almost always risked during every pregnancy and childbirth.  Abortion is a safer procedure than childbirth and no one can dispute that.

    She does NOT have soverignity over her body when it negatively affects a male. If a robber enters a bank and swallows down a diamond, and it is found that the diamond is in his body, should the diamond not be removed because he has a right to soverignity over his body? Women should be responsible and only have sex if they're ready to have an abortion if they get pregnant, or if the man won't make them get an abortion. Why do men have to be the sacrificial lambs, why don't women become more responsible instead and not fuck if they're not ready to have an abortion if they get pregnant?


    They wait for it to pass through his system, they do not strap him down and operate to remove it, because he does have rights over his body.  Roll Eyes


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #202 - December 30, 2009, 04:03 PM

    What.  Unless you grasp the basic concept of everybody's right to sovereignty over their own body you will not grasp why the rest of the quote was irrelevant.  And yes, that does include a robber who swallows a diamond, you still can't force him to undergo surgery against his will, if he refuses you have to wait for the diamond to pass out of him the natural way.  Get it yet?   Roll Eyes


    Really? What if the diamond is sewn into his body instead, inside his stomach, and it will not come out unless surgery is done to remove it? what then?
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #203 - December 30, 2009, 04:03 PM

    What if someone swallowed a nuke? What then??

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #204 - December 30, 2009, 04:05 PM

    Really? What if the diamond is sewn into his body instead, inside his stomach, and it will not come out unless surgery is done to remove it? what then?



    Lmao  so wait, this robber cuts himself open, and sews a diamond into his stomach and then stitches himself back together? all to prevent anyone from getting the diamond back?  Cheesy

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #205 - December 30, 2009, 04:06 PM

    Really? What if the diamond is sewn into his body instead, inside his stomach, and it will not come out unless surgery is done to remove it? what then?


    Then tough shit on the owner of the diamond.  Are you learning anything yet?   parrot

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #206 - December 30, 2009, 04:07 PM

    What if someone swallowed a nuke? What then??


     Cheesy

    Just pray they don't fart, I spose. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #207 - December 30, 2009, 04:09 PM

    and stress liberated keeps bringing up are what he has to deal with, that's life.  The consequence of a choice.

    He would rather transfer it all onto the woman, as if it's just the womans fault.  Like she won't be stressed or feel lifelong guilt over an abortion.  Roll Eyes


    If a man is pro-life and the woman wants an abortion, the stress man feels is not considered. In the same way if a woman is pro-life and the man wants an abortion, the stress she feels should also not be considered for EQUAL GENDER RIGHTS. By the way, it is wrong to think that the man would transfer all the stress to the woman, abortion is not an easy decision for the man either, and I know i would personally be there for the woman as much as possible and do everything in my power to help her recover.

    I would never make someone stay put if I chose to have a baby that wasn't wanted by a partner, I also wouldn't expect a damn thing financially nor would I whine about it.  The consequence of my choice.


    That's a great mindset and I wish most women were like you, sadly most aren't.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #208 - December 30, 2009, 04:11 PM

    Then tough shit on the owner of the diamond.  Are you learning anything yet?   parrot


    Bullshit .Try that in la-la land. In real life the owner of the diamond will have the guy on the stretcher in one second and have the surgery done. The bodily sovereinity of one person does not give them the right to bring harm to other people.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #209 - December 30, 2009, 04:12 PM


    Lmao  so wait, this robber cuts himself open, and sews a diamond into his stomach and then stitches himself back together? all to prevent anyone from getting the diamond back?  Cheesy


    His accomplice could do it. Stuff like that is actually done to smuggle drugs overseas.
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