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 Poll

  • Question: Should men have the right to have a baby aborted when they're not ready for it?
  • Yes - 10 (19.6%)
  • No - 41 (80.4%)
  • Total Voters: 51

 Topic: Men's right to abortions

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #210 - December 30, 2009, 04:14 PM

    Bullshit .Try that in la-la land. In real life the owner of the diamond will have the guy on the stretcher in one second and have the surgery done. The bodily sovereinity of one person does not give them the right to bring harm to other people.


    No mate, I think you'll find that it's your version which belongs in la la land.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #211 - December 30, 2009, 04:22 PM

    Bullshit .Try that in la-la land. In real life the owner of the diamond will have the guy on the stretcher in one second and have the surgery done. The bodily sovereinity of one person does not give them the right to bring harm to other people.

    And he'll have human rights groups all over his arse. Are you seeing the pattern yet? Roll Eyes
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #212 - December 30, 2009, 04:25 PM

    Afro 
     I also wouldn't expect a damn thing financially nor would I whine about it.  The consequence of my choice.


    Well since financial child support from the biological father is the child's right, then the mother should expect and demand (on behalf of her child) that support is given . She would be doing a dis-service to her child if she let her personal pride prevent her from demanding / "whining" for child support.

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #213 - December 30, 2009, 04:26 PM

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    And he'll have human rights groups all over his arse. Are you seeing the pattern yet?


    I do not think so. The owner of the diamond has every right to retrieve the diamond from the robber. It was the robber's choice to rob the diamond, hence he will have to face the consequences. Hence if a consenting adult female has sex with a man and gets pregnant and the man is not ready to be a father, she should be ready to abort the child, or it is irrresponsible of her to have sex.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #214 - December 30, 2009, 04:40 PM

    That baby also belongs to the female (her egg is involved too remember?). The man willingly had sex with her and knew that there is a risk of pregnancy.

    And again you are grossly exaggerating your 'problem'! The man can walk away from fatherly responsibilities. The most he has to do is provide childcare and in many circumstances not even that! As for the guilt of abandoning your child, you'll get over it in a few months, a year at the most Roll Eyes
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #215 - December 30, 2009, 04:43 PM

    Well since financial child support from the biological father is the child's right, then the mother should expect and demand (on behalf of her child) that support is given . She would be doing a dis-service to her child if she let her personal pride prevent her from demanding / "whining" for child support.

    I think if the father decides not to provide child support then he has no right to see his child ever considering he has basically disowned it. While it is cruel and I can see your point of view too so I'm not entirely sure which position to support.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #216 - December 30, 2009, 04:44 PM

    I feel like I wrote posts for no reason whatsoever here.

     goodnight


    Men have many rights. That's not the point at all. I also hate anti-man feminists like ras111 pointed out. But that's not the point.


    Btw, a woman who gets pregnant and wants an abortion should at least tell the guy about it out of respect. Two people I knew in high school - they were college students - had this problem. She wanted an abortion, he was against it. So she gave up her parental rights, he paid for pre-natal care and everything and now is a wonderful single dad to a beautiful little girl. But there was a bunch of respect and a lot of talking in that situation. Just forcing a woman to undergo abortion because you don't feel like being a parent is crazy and I can't understand - and I guess others can't either - how can you not see that.

    tea and cake or death!!!

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #217 - December 30, 2009, 05:02 PM

    I do not think so. The owner of the diamond has every right to retrieve the diamond from the robber. It was the robber's choice to rob the diamond, hence he will have to face the consequences. Hence if a consenting adult female has sex with a man and gets pregnant and the man is not ready to be a father, she should be ready to abort the child, or it is irrresponsible of her to have sex.



    Like most things you've posted in this thread, this post is rubbish.  The robber's right to bodily autonomy is a primary concern which would not be swiped aside as easily in the real world as it would be in your fantasy land, so at the very least you would have a very contentious court case on your hands.  And remember, the robber's position in law is weaker than the pregnant woman's because stealing diamonds is a crime, whereas getting pregnant is not.

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #218 - December 30, 2009, 05:03 PM

    What if a man simply can't stand babies? Can't stand the crying, the diaper changes, the interruptions. Personally I would pay for child-support if I was forced to be a dad without my consent, but i know i would not even look at the child or ever meet him.


    We have a word for that here in the States to describe a Man who is just as you described above--a pussy.

    Seriously, if you're gonna have casual sex, know that it's like playing Russian Roulette. Despite all the safety precautions you take, there is always a chance you're gonna get fucked (no pun intended).

    However, I should not be legally obliged to pay for a child that I do not want. Its got nothing to do with balls.


    It has everything to do with having balls. If you're gonna do something, be a Man and know thy responsibilities of your actions. Simple as that. If that child is born, half of him/her comes from you. So you have every responsibility to help take care of it.



    And becoming a woman's boy-toy paying for a child you did not want does make you a better man although that's the way society puts it, choosing your own path and sticking to it makes you the alpha-male who puts his happiness over everything else.


    An Alpha Male is the superior example of a real man (I stress the word Alpha here). It's true your happiness comes first, but being an Alpha Male also means you take responsibility for your actions. If you don't, then you're just a boy running around in a grown man's body pretending to be mature. The definition of a Man is to be a protector, provider, and pro-creator. Remember that.



    I disagree, the instinct to kill is present in every man unless he is a very big wimp.


    No it's not. It was when our ancestors were running around trying to take down mammoths, but as society evolved, we suppressed that instinct. The killer instinct is learned--which is why the military conditions one to kill. If it was that easy for an average Joe to pull the trigger despite how much in danger he/she was in, then there wouldn't be any need for military training.


    I won't hesitate to kill anyone who threatens me or my family although I haven't killed anyone so far in my life.


    Maybe not. But as of right now, this is what you think. When it comes down to the real deal, then thats where the real test is.


    Secondly, just the fact that we are physically tough does not mean that we should have to change our lifestyle to accomodate a woman's decision, or to give up what we want to do in our lives for a baby.


    What does physical strength have anything to do with being a father? I admit that it falls under the "protector" part of the definition, but thats not all that is there to being a father. No one says you have to give up your lifestyle to provide for the baby. If you truly can't stand raising your child directly, then you should provide for it by other means like child support.


    And seriously, if you look at some men 10-15 years after they have a baby, its like they don't even live for themselves anymore. They look like living corpses. You should not underestimate the damage that the stress of becoming a father can do to a man, esp. if the man did not want the child & was not ready for it.


    I have friends who are my age, that are happy fathers. There is nothing that stops them from going out with the guys on Saturday nights. They certainly don't look like corpses to me. Yes, they have more responsibilities now, but they don't allow that to take over their lives. They know how to balance.

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #219 - December 30, 2009, 05:08 PM

    No.  You can't force a woman through a surgical procedure against her will, that sounds like something from the Stepford Wives, or North Korea.   If you're not ready for fatherhood use a condom.


    If only you were a man, then you'd realize how crap it is having sex with a condom on, you can't even feel anything
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #220 - December 30, 2009, 05:14 PM

    As for the guilt of abandoning your child, you'll get over it in a few months, a year at the most Roll Eyes


    This is the only argument I can accept on this thread Tongue
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #221 - December 30, 2009, 05:23 PM

    No surprises there.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #222 - December 30, 2009, 05:31 PM

    Yep, wish you were also honest enough to admit it that you'd get over it in the same time.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #223 - December 30, 2009, 05:32 PM

    Means you're only arguing just for the hell of it. It's pretty clear you're picking and choosing ideas that only fits your world view(if it really is your world view) despite rational counter-arguments.

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #224 - December 30, 2009, 05:41 PM

    I do not think so. The owner of the diamond has every right to retrieve the diamond from the robber. It was the robber's choice to rob the diamond, hence he will have to face the consequences. Hence if a consenting adult female has sex with a man and gets pregnant and the man is not ready to be a father, she should be ready to abort the child, or it is irrresponsible of her to have sex.


    Well the diamond has only one owner, but the baby has two 'owners'.  The robber acted on his own initiative without consulting with the owner, but in the baby scenario both of them are irresponsible, unless the woman tied him, took out his tool and made him ejaculate in her...

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #225 - December 30, 2009, 05:43 PM

    Well said Ras111, having said that its a shame that we are having to point out the obvious to this clunkhead

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #226 - December 30, 2009, 05:48 PM

    Well said Ras111, having said that its a shame that we are having to point out the obvious to this clunkhead


    Yes, but 5 other people voted yes. where are they?

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #227 - December 30, 2009, 05:50 PM

    Yep, wish you were also honest enough to admit it that you'd get over it in the same time.

    That'd be admitting a lie.

    But hey at least you're problem is solved without forcing surgery onto another human being. Care to address this point?
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #228 - December 30, 2009, 05:50 PM

    I voted Yes. But that was before I fully read and understood Liberated's question.

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #229 - December 30, 2009, 05:53 PM

    I voted Yes. But that was before I fully read and understood Liberated's question.


    I was confused at first as well.

    tea and cake or death!!!

    "Dear Josh, we came by to fuck you, but you were not home. Therefore... you are gay."  Ghost World
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #230 - December 30, 2009, 06:02 PM

    Means you're only arguing just for the hell of it. It's pretty clear you're picking and choosing ideas that only fits your world view(if it really is your world view) despite rational counter-arguments.


    No, it is because I'm getting tired of repeating myself over and over at this point. Here, let me summarize everything and all the counter arguments a last time and then I'm done with this thread:

    1) The woman should not be made to go through a procedure she does not want to go through and be put at risks of infertility, etc.

    The woman will be going through a medical procedure regardless and will be at higher risk if she goes through childbirth and 9 months of pregnancy than if she goes through early stage abortion. She is not put on any higher risk through abortion than she would go through during pregnancy & labor. Many more women die and develop complications through pregnancy & labor than do through abortion.

    2) A child grows inside the woman, hence it is her decision. Her bodily sovereinity should not be compromised.

    In this case the woman's bodily soverignity will be respected at the cost of men's rights and causing them lifetime stress & guilt. The men also have a right to choose not to become a father. Bodily soverignity does not allow the woman to force fatherhood on a man without his consent.

    While I agree that a woman should not be forced to go through pregnancy, its because pregnancy and childbirth carry a much higher physical risk / discomfort than a 30 minute abortion. If the childbirth had no effects on the man's life whatsoever, then this will be a valid argument, but where the bodily sovereignity of one individual breaches the right of another individual to say no to becoming a parent, it is the rights of the 2nd person who should be respected, especially since the woman will be going through a riskier, more painful, and longer medical procedure anyhow, and the effects of becoming a parent without one's consent can have much more devestating effects on man's life physically than a 30 minute abortion will have on a woman's body in most cases.  (The stress of fatherhood / guilt of leaving the child causes many men to age quicker and develop heart problems later on in life).

    I'll give my example of the man carrying a bomb or a precious item/antique sewn inside his body again here. In this case his bodily soveirignity should not be respected because his actions breach the rights of others.

    A man and women have an equal biological right over the child and the woman's right over her body only takes priority over the man's right over the child when the woman has to go through a 9 month long pregnancy and childbirth, not a 30 min abortion which will leave her exactly as the same as she was physically before the abortion in most cases, and the minor risks also remain with pregnancy & childbirth.

    3) Abortion leaves a lot of pyschological trauma on the woman, etc.

    And it also leaves psychological trauma on pro-life men if a woman chooses abortion. The man can also be traumatized by having his child killed. But in that case the man's trauma is legally ignored. Why isn't the woman's psychological trauma also ignored for the man's right to say no to becoming a father? If we're to have equal gender rights then it should.

    4) Tough luck, if you don't want to have babies don't have sex, etc.

    Why do men have to be the sacrificial lamb, why don't women stop having sex if they're not ready for an abortion if they get pregnant?

    Its like the society doesn't even acknowledge that the rights of men even exist & need to be considered. If a man slaps a woman in public, he'll get in immediate trouble, but if a woman slaps a man people automatically assume the man is at fault!

    In summary, a woman's right to saying no to becoming a mother in our society is respected, while a man's right to saying no to becoming a father is not respected. The argument of a forced medical procedure on the woman is baseless because pregnancy & childbirth are both riskier and more painful medical procedures than abortion, and a woman is essentially choosing the more painful of the procedures if she chooses childbirth. The woman's trauma of losing a child is not more valuable than a man's trauma of losing a child if he is pro-life and the wife chooses abortion.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #231 - December 30, 2009, 06:08 PM

    I voted no, but maybe some of the yes's were insincere responses to the ridiculousness of the question.

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #232 - December 30, 2009, 06:09 PM

    Liberated, we all have either argued all that or even agreed in some points. You are repeating yourself because you are enjoying it.

    tea and cake or death!!!

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #233 - December 30, 2009, 06:13 PM

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    Liberated, we all have either argued all that or even agreed in some points. You are repeating yourself because you are enjoying it.


    I'm repeating myself because most people are calmly ignoring everything I say about the men's rights like they don't even exist. All everyone is doing is talking about the women's rights. I keep bringing their attention to the man's rights over and over but everyone glides over it.

    Like I said before, a mutual solution should be found which respects both the man & the woman's rights. Right now the solution completely tramples on the man's rights with no respect for what the impact of the decision will be on his life.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #234 - December 30, 2009, 06:16 PM

    Quote from: trumora
    Dear Josh, we came by to fuck you, but you were not home. Therefore... you are gay."  Ghost World


    This is a funny quote, it makes me want to see that film.  Is it all funny, or is that the best line?

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #235 - December 30, 2009, 06:16 PM

    I'm repeating myself because most people are calmly ignoring everything I say about the men's rights like they don't even exist. All everyone is doing is talking about the women's rights. I keep bringing their attention to the man's rights over and over but everyone glides over it.

    Like I said before, a mutual solution should be found which respects both the man & the woman's rights. Right now the solution completely tramples on the man's rights with no respect for what the impact of the decision will be on his life.


    Myself and others have talked a lot about Men's rights and you simply ignored all that.

    tea and cake or death!!!

    "Dear Josh, we came by to fuck you, but you were not home. Therefore... you are gay."  Ghost World
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #236 - December 30, 2009, 06:17 PM



    Like I said before, a mutual solution should be found which respects both the man & the woman's rights. Right now the solution completely tramples on the man's rights with no respect for what the impact of the decision will be on his life.


    But you're arguments completely tramples all over a woman's right. If anything, most of us here gave a mutual solution, and it's simple--have sex when you're ready to fulfill the responsibilities if/when they may come.

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #237 - December 30, 2009, 06:17 PM

    This is a funny quote, it makes me want to see that film.  Is it all funny, or is that the best line?


    lol! the movies is really good! I saw it when it came out in 2002. I remember my parents and I laughed a lot at this quote. Never forgot. It was one of the first movies with Scarlett Johanson before she was famous.


    Obs: the context is the two girls go by Josh's house to hang out and he is not there. So they write him this note and leave it in his door.

    tea and cake or death!!!

    "Dear Josh, we came by to fuck you, but you were not home. Therefore... you are gay."  Ghost World
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #238 - December 30, 2009, 06:18 PM

    That'd be admitting a lie.

    But hey at least you're problem is solved without forcing surgery onto another human being. Care to address this point?

    I want an answer liberated.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #239 - December 30, 2009, 06:20 PM

    But you're arguments completely tramples all over a woman's right. If anything, most of us here gave a mutual solution, and it's simple--have sex when you're ready to fulfill the responsibilities if/when they may come.


    Why should the men do this and not the women? Why don't the women have sex only when they're ready to abort the child if it happens & the father doesn't want it?

    Also, what if a man doesn't ever want to have children, he should never have sex?
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