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Theme Changer

 Poll

  • Question: Should men have the right to have a baby aborted when they're not ready for it?
  • Yes - 10 (19.6%)
  • No - 41 (80.4%)
  • Total Voters: 51

 Topic: Men's right to abortions

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #240 - December 30, 2009, 06:22 PM
    Quote from: liberated on December 30, 2009, 06:20 PM
    Why should the men do this and not the women? Why don't the women have sex only when they're ready to abort the child if it happens & the father doesn't want it?


    Many of us already addressed that. Including myself.


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    Also, what if a man doesn't ever want to have children, he should never have sex?


    He should get a vasectomy.
    tea and cake or death!!!

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #241 - December 30, 2009, 06:23 PM
    Cheetah, do we have a "movie suggestion" thread?
    tea and cake or death!!!

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #242 - December 30, 2009, 06:23 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on December 30, 2009, 05:50 PM
    That'd be admitting a lie.

    But hey at least you're problem is solved without forcing surgery onto another human being. Care to address this point?


    I was joking, do you really think anyone would get over the guilt of abandoning a child in an year? If anything the guilt will increase with the time as the man is reminded every day that the child he abandoned is growing up without him and hating him. Its completely different to a child dying because a dead child is already gone and you're not reminded of it every day.

    Plus I've said earlier that if a woman chooses abortion, the man can also be traumatized by having his child killed, in the same way the man's rights should be respected even  if it means the woman is traumatized, the woman's trauma is not somehow more valuable than a man's.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #243 - December 30, 2009, 06:24 PM
    Quote from: liberated on December 30, 2009, 06:20 PM
    Why should the men do this and not the women? Why don't the women have sex only when they're ready to abort the child if it happens & the father doesn't want it?


    You know very well that my advise goes for both men and women.

    Quote from: liberated on December 30, 2009, 06:20 PM
    Also, what if a man doesn't ever want to have children, he should never have sex?


    No, but he should know what he's getting himself into. Same goes for women that gives consent to sex.
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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #244 - December 30, 2009, 06:25 PM
    Quote from: trumora on December 30, 2009, 06:23 PM
    Cheetah, do we have a "movie suggestion" thread?


    Not sure to be honest.  If we do its an old one, so you might as well start another one if you want to.   Smiley
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #245 - December 30, 2009, 06:26 PM
    6 votes, only one man brave enough to say it.  You got that going for you liberated, at least you are prepared to say it like you think it is.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #246 - December 30, 2009, 06:26 PM
    Quote from: trumora on December 30, 2009, 06:22 PM
    He should get a vasectomy.


    A percentage of men who have a vasectomy develop a life-long pain in their lower abdomen. Even still a vasecotmy is not 100% protection. If a woman gets pregnant, she will be going through a medical procedure regardless of whether she gets an abortion or not. A man will not be going through a medical procedure regardless.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #247 - December 30, 2009, 06:26 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on December 30, 2009, 06:25 PM
    Not sure to be honest.  If we do its an old one, so you might as well start another one if you want to.   Smiley


    Cool! In which section should I put it?
    tea and cake or death!!!

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #248 - December 30, 2009, 06:27 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 30, 2009, 06:26 PM
    6 votes, only one man brave enough to say it.  You got that going for you liberated, at least you are prepared to say it like you think it is.


    lmao! that's so true!  Cheesy
    tea and cake or death!!!

    "Dear Josh, we came by to fuck you, but you were not home. Therefore... you are gay."  Ghost World
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #249 - December 30, 2009, 06:27 PM
    Quote
    6 votes, only one man brave enough to say it.  You got that going for you liberated, at least you are prepared to say it like you think it is.


    Afro At least someone noticed.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #250 - December 30, 2009, 06:29 PM
    Quote from: trumora on December 30, 2009, 06:26 PM
    Cool! In which section should I put it?


    In here would be best.

    Quote from: BerberElla on December 30, 2009, 06:26 PM
    6 votes, only one man brave enough to say it.  You got that going for you liberated, at least you are prepared to say it like you think it is.


    Two of the yes votes were accidental, (Panoptic and Tommy), so there's really only four yes votes.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #251 - December 30, 2009, 06:32 PM
    so who are the other four?  guesses welcome..
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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #252 - December 30, 2009, 06:33 PM
    It doesn't matter. Let's keep it discreet.
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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #253 - December 30, 2009, 06:33 PM
    Tommy, why did you go back on your vote?  Cry Come on buddy...
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #254 - December 30, 2009, 06:35 PM
    It was accidental.
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #255 - December 30, 2009, 06:35 PM
    What did you think it said when you voted yes?
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #256 - December 30, 2009, 06:40 PM
    I read this and thought the question was about weather a Man has the right to give consent to an abortion, and clicked Yes.

    Quote
    Should men have the right to have a baby aborted when they're not ready for it?


    It was only after I read your post that I understood the whole question.
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #257 - December 30, 2009, 06:45 PM
    it would not surpise me if thats what the other 4 did too
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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #258 - December 30, 2009, 06:52 PM
    Quote from: liberated on December 30, 2009, 06:20 PM

    Also, what if a man doesn't ever want to have children, he should never have sex?


    I think you should know that all it takes is a little snip.
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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #259 - December 30, 2009, 06:56 PM
    Quote from: liberated on December 30, 2009, 06:26 PM
    A percentage of men who have a vasectomy develop a life-long pain in their lower abdomen. Even still a vasecotmy is not 100% protection. If a woman gets pregnant, she will be going through a medical procedure regardless of whether she gets an abortion or not. A man will not be going through a medical procedure regardless.


    LOL.. let a month pass by and see how the sperm are going to pass...  There are always going to be a percentage of men who will experience more effects than the majority for any procedure.  What surprises me is that you completely do not take this into account when you are suggesting that women can easily get over abortion procedures. 

    So you don't want to take the necessary precautions but you expect other people undergo procedures that are potentially harmful for them simply for your sake...
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #260 - December 30, 2009, 07:03 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on December 30, 2009, 06:16 PM
    This is a funny quote


    Agreed. Not lovin your new sig, however. :p

    Quote
    Is it all funny, or is that the best line?


    I seen it not long after it first came out. I thought it had its funny moments, but overall I didn't consider it all that funny and found parts to be annoying (as well as the overall hipster geek chic vibe)-- though, too be fair, I find that there are very few comedy movies that are consistently funny throughout, so I'd say the movie was worth my while and I'd recommend checking it out myself.
    fuck you
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #261 - December 30, 2009, 07:09 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on December 30, 2009, 07:03 PM
    Agreed. Not lovin your new sig, however. :p


     Cry
    Quote
    I seen it not long after it first came out. I thought it had its funny moments, but overall I didn't consider it all that funny and found parts to be annoying (as well as the overall hipster geek chic vibe)-- though, too be fair, I find that there are very few comedy movies that are consistently funny throughout, so I'd say the movie was worth my while and I'd recommend checking it out myself.


    I invite you to our new movie thread!  dance
    tea and cake or death!!!

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #262 - December 30, 2009, 07:10 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on December 30, 2009, 06:40 PM
    I read this and thought the question was about weather a Man has the right to give consent to an abortion, and clicked Yes.

    It was only after I read your post that I understood the whole question.


    Automatically thought:



    Committed same error.
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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #263 - December 30, 2009, 07:14 PM
    Quote from: trumora on December 30, 2009, 07:09 PM
    Cry


    I meant Cheetah's new sig. Yours is awesome.
    fuck you
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #264 - December 30, 2009, 07:40 PM
    I think Liberated and who the hell ever else need to read the stories on this page if they think getting an abortion is just a formality.
    You're trying to downplay its effect on a woman as if it becomes an afterhtought. here's a little example of what it can do if it means anything:
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    After it was over, i went home and stayed in bed for 3 days. I told my dad and he cried. He would let me touch him for four months after that. he brought me a book to write in. I tried commiting suicide twice. Even now i am crying and its been 3 years.


    http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Had-An-Abortion/837716

    I cant be bothered to go thru 17 pages of this shit so here is the def of an appeal to consequences from wikipedia if it hasnt already been posted. I know Ceetah mentioned it on the first page:
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    Appeal to consequences, also known as argumentum ad consequentiam (Latin for argument to the consequences), is an argument that concludes a premise (typically a belief) to be either true or false based on whether the premise leads to desirable or undesirable consequences. This is based on an appeal to emotion and is a form of logical fallacy, since the desirability of a consequence does not address the truth value of the premise. Moreover, in categorizing consequences as either desirable or undesirable, such arguments inherently contain subjective points of view.


    sorry if all this is being repeated ad infinitum  Roll Eyes

    A thing is not right or wrong based on its fucking consequences, so this line of reasoning could never lead to a logical conclusion, but you've remained to stick woth it for 17 pages, so I suspect this will fall on deaf ears.


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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #265 - December 30, 2009, 07:55 PM
    Should a woman have the right to force fatherhood on a man?

    I've summarized my arguments in this post:
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8079.msg199507#msg199507

    Not saying abortion is not traumatizing for a woman, however it is also traumatizing for a pro-life man when his child is aborted by a woman's choice. In that case his trauma is ignored by law. The same should be done in case of a man wanting an abortion, a woman's trauma should be ignored by law to give both men & women equal rights.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #266 - December 30, 2009, 08:02 PM
    Quote from: liberated on December 30, 2009, 06:13 PM
    I'm repeating myself because most people are calmly ignoring everything I say about the men's rights like they don't even exist. All everyone is doing is talking about the women's rights. I keep bringing their attention to the man's rights over and over but everyone glides over it.

    Like I said before, a mutual solution should be found which respects both the man & the woman's rights. Right now the solution completely tramples on the man's rights with no respect for what the impact of the decision will be on his life.


    Everything you've said completely belies that line. what you've suggested is to take away person's inalienable right to decide what happens to their own fucking body and transfer it some one else. How is that equality? I cant envision a situation where a man decides his gf/wife is going to have an abortion and doesnt care that she doesnt want to. Even if this was an option, there would have to be a 100 percent rate of success. I dont know, use birth control + 3 condoms, whatever. There absolutely cannot be a failure rate.

    If there is then youre saying: "I want the right to have and enjoy sex knowing full fucking well that I could get the girl pregnant, no matter how small the failure rate; if this does happen, I then want the right to give up fatherly responsibilities (which you can do) and on top of that I want the right to usurp her right to her own body and decide on my own w/o getting her consent, to abort this baby." Great fuckin idea of gender equality.
    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #267 - December 30, 2009, 08:02 PM
    Quote from: liberated on December 30, 2009, 07:55 PM
    Should a woman have the right to force fatherhood on a man?

    I've summarized my arguments in this post:
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8079.msg199507#msg199507

    Not saying abortion is not traumatizing for a woman, however it is also traumatizing for a pro-life man when his child is aborted by a woman's choice. In that case his trauma is ignored by law. The same should be done in case of a man wanting an abortion, a woman's trauma should be ignored by law to give both men & women equal rights.


    No one's forcing fatherhood on anyone. Youre sounding like a broken record now.
    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #268 - December 30, 2009, 08:09 PM
    You seem to do a great job at missing the point Liberated. The bottom line is you're talking about an individuals body and demanding that external agents have the authority to force a woman undergo a abortion procedure against her will. And that is a reprehensible, illiberal and human rights violating stance to take.

    If you wanted to be reasonable you could have argued that men who are unwittingly (for whatever reason) put in the position of fatherhood should have the right, if evidence is provided, to be freed from or 'emancipated' from paternal responsibilities. But saying authorities should force a procedure on a woman because of the 'feelings' of the impregnator, is crossing into mysogynistic territory.

    And finally, a man can simply choose not to have sex if this is such a worry for him. If he's going to engage in sexual intercourse with a woman he needs to shut the fuck up and accept the consequences.
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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #269 - December 30, 2009, 08:10 PM
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    No one's forcing fatherhood on anyone.


    That wasn't my question. My question was, is it right to force fatherhood on a man? To clarify, if a man does not want a child, is it right for a woman to force fatherhood on him by giving birth to the child and not aborting it?

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    Youre sounding like a broken record now.


    That's because none of you pot-heads are listening to me so I have to repeat myself a 1000 times

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