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 Poll

  • Question: Should men have the right to have a baby aborted when they're not ready for it?
  • Yes - 10 (19.6%)
  • No - 41 (80.4%)
  • Total Voters: 51

 Topic: Men's right to abortions

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #390 - December 31, 2009, 01:41 AM
    I think it's time to end the discussion.
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #391 - December 31, 2009, 01:43 AM
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    No one is forcing fatherhood on you, just walk the fuck away! I dont give a shit about your guilt, it does not justify invading someone elses goddamn body! You are wanting to force an invasive procedure on a woman without her consent!


    It is NOT easy to walk away with a living, breathing human being that looks like you and shares your DNA existing in the world. Especially when you did not want that child. You didn't want to be a father and regardless of your choice it was forced on you. Don't try to deny this happens or the effect it has on a man.  If you deny this you're just being a hypocrit because you say that the trauma of a woman is real whereas the man can just suppress his feelings and walk away? It doesn't work like that.

    The woman will be getting an invasive procedure regardless, so what difference does it make if that procedure is to respect the man's right to not become a father or to give birth to the child? She will get invaded either way.

    And why does it have to be forced? Men accept the woman's right of choice without resorting to threats of violence in most cases. Why can't women accept the right of man to not have fatherhood forced on him and go through the abortion with her consent rather than having it forced? Why should it be men who accept all the womens' rights whereas the women accept none of the man's?

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    I love the hypocrisy of that statement. I also love how you keep changing your opinions when it suits you.


    How is it hypocritical and where did I change my opinion?
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #392 - December 31, 2009, 01:45 AM
    *facepalm* Fuck this. I'm out.
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #393 - December 31, 2009, 01:49 AM
    Guys are physically stronger than women. Would you like it if they beat up every woman they saw? They're biologically at an advantage, after all. My body, my decision what I do with it, huh? But they don't because its a civilized society and we respect each other's rights. Similarly, women are biologically at an advantage when it comes to babies but it does not mean they should abuse this right to force fatherhood on men who are not ready to become fathers.

    No one has the right to beat any one else up. Ever. Unless youre an MMA fighter. But otherwise NEVER. do you comprehend. A woman has the right to her body and to her baby. Your body, your decision what to do with it unless youre using it to infringe on the rights of others. Having a baby a man doesnt want doesnt trample his rights.Im sorry, a man does not have the right not be a father biologically. This, you cant get. Its one of them life things you must deal with. You actuarlly think theres a negative fucking duty of women not to make men fathers. Jessus H cripes. If the baby is half theirs, how the hell do you come to the conlucsion that he gets more rights. He is being given the right to her body. No two ways about it.

    To the man whos a daddy and doesnt wanna be, this: MAn the fuck up. Either agree to take care of the kid along with mommy or give up your rights and move on. Come up witha workable agreement with the mommy. Make it work. what the hell do you want. Jeez. If it affects you emotionally and psychologicall then you should seek counselling. Let the mother know how you feel. Answer my question

    Read:
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    I am pro choice but personally I was against abortions. My boyfriend wanted me to have one, but said if I didn't want one he would be there forever with me to raise the baby.


    see heres a guy saying he wants her to abort but hed be by her side if she didnt. why are you assuming guys would live and die with psychological trauma if they were made daddies.

    Go ahead and read some more from the same story:
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    The emotional pain has still not subsided. I think about my baby every single day. It hurts watching moms with babies in the grocery store. It hurts walking past baby clothes. It hurts watching a diaper commercial on tv. I cry all the time and my boyfriend tries to console me, but he doesn't understand the pain. He doesn't know what it felt like to feel and know something was in me growing. I try not to cry aroundhim anymore because he just gets sad then too. My baby would have been born April 4th. I just feel so guilty...



    http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Had-An-Abortion/23201
    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #394 - December 31, 2009, 01:49 AM
    Quote from: Angel54 on December 31, 2009, 01:39 AM
    I cant tell why Im still bothering with this. Honestly


    Fine. You asked what I would say to her after aborting her baby. I would  ask how she was feeling and whether she wanted a juice to feel better.

    If you want to ask how I would tell her that I want the baby to be aborted, I would tell her that I'm not ready to have the child and I don't want to become a father. And I'm sorry if it hurts her feelings but I'll be there to support her throughout the abortion and afterwards to make sure she heals and recovers.

    And depending on where I was in that relationship, I would tell her that I can't give her a baby but instead I will give her my lifelong love and loyalty and passion which won't fade because we had a kid and we're too busy with it to look after each other  yes

    Your turn to say how you will tell a man that you will force fatherhood on him without his consent.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #395 - December 31, 2009, 01:51 AM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on December 31, 2009, 01:45 AM
    *facepalm* Fuck this. I'm out.

     banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead

    Thats all. Im done with this thread. 25 pages of epic uselessness.
    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #396 - December 31, 2009, 01:51 AM
    Quote from: liberated on December 31, 2009, 01:49 AM
    Fine. You asked what I would say to her after aborting her baby. I would  ask how she was feeling and whether she wanted a juice to feel better.

    If you want to ask how I would tell her that I want the baby to be aborted, I would tell her that I'm not ready to have the child and I don't want to become a father. And I'm sorry if it hurts her feelings but I'll be there to support her throughout the abortion and afterwards to make sure she heals and recovers.

    And depending on where I was in that relationship, I would tell her that I can't give her a baby but instead I will give her my lifelong love and loyalty and passion which won't fade because we had a kid and we're too busy with it to look after each other  yes

    Your turn to say how you will tell a man that you will force fatherhood on him without his consent.


    See post above urs.
    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #397 - December 31, 2009, 01:56 AM
    Quote from: Angel54 on December 31, 2009, 01:49 AM
    No one has the right to beat any one else up. Ever. Unless youre an MMA fighter. But otherwise NEVER. do you comprehend. A woman has the right to her body and to her baby. Your body, your decision what to do with it unless youre using it to infringe on the rights of others.


    And why do you not understand that using your biological advantage of carrying the baby to force fatherhood on a man who is not ready & does not want to be a father is infringing his rights?

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    a man does not have the right not be a father biologically.


    Who are you to decide that?Huh? What if I told you that the woman does not have the right to be anything more than a man's slave because she's biologically weaker than him? Who am I to decide what your rights are in that case, and who are you to say that a man does not have the right to not have fatherhood forced on him? Seriously, think about how hypocritcal that sounds.

    You are not the one to decide what the rights of a man are. You saying so does not make it so. The child is my offspring as much as it is yours. Its my sperm. It will look like me and have my DNA. I will be made a father as a result of it coming it into the world. It is completely my right to say 'I don't want to become a father yet' and have it be respected. If its not legally acknowledged now  that doesn't mean this right does not exist.



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    To the man whos a daddy and doesnt wanna be, this: MAn the fuck up. Either agree to take care of the kid along with mommy or give up your rights and move on. Come up witha workable agreement with the mommy. Make it work. what the hell do you want. Jeez. If it affects you emotionally and psychologicall then you should seek counselling. Let the mother know how you feel. Answer my question


    This is bullshit and not a valid argument by any means. Your definition of 'man the fuck up' does not dictate how a man should spend his life. Everyone has free will to spend their life how they want to. Everyone has the right to say 'I do not want to be a father yet'.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #398 - December 31, 2009, 01:57 AM
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    Men should have the right to have a baby aborted without the woman's consent even if it traumatizes the woman to have the baby killed.



    That you said this is disgusting. Jesus. If you really believe this, you are a lost cause. I mean did you really say it, or did Peru make that up because I would call anyone whod say this huge bigot devoid of any compassion or morality. Im done now.  comp26

    I think this is the point at which your now officially more unpopular than Tut. Congrats. Its taken a lot.

    Fucking done.
    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #399 - December 31, 2009, 01:58 AM
    Quote from: Angel54 on December 31, 2009, 01:51 AM
    See post above urs.


    I was talking about the first thing you would say to the man who doesn't want to be a father but without his consent you will give birth to his child and make him a father. How will you describe your decision to him when he comes to hear what your decision is?
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #400 - December 31, 2009, 02:00 AM
    Quote from: Angel54 on December 31, 2009, 01:57 AM

    That you said this is disgusting. Jesus. If you really believe this, you are a lost cause. I mean did you really say it, or did Peru make that up because I would call anyone whod say this huge bigot devoid of any compassion or morality. Im done now.  comp26

    I think this is the point at which your now officially more unpopular than Tut. Congrats. Its taken a lot.

    Fucking done.


    She took it out of context. I also said that women have the right to abort a baby even if it traumatizes the man. Basically the same thing as what I said about the men having that right. But somehow the statement about the men's right is more offensive to some people.

    Read the full post before jumping to conclusions:
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8079.msg199835#msg199835
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #401 - December 31, 2009, 02:12 AM
    Quote from: Angel54 on December 31, 2009, 01:37 AM
    why the fuck would we use the opinion of the majority of people in country we find morally backward in its practices to guide our own.


    My point is that the morals of one place or time do not dictate the way things are going to be seen in the future. People are resistant to change and like things to be the way they are, very few people speak out and risk looking different from the crowd.  Hence the result of the 'polls' done today will not mean that if the majority of people agree with one decision that makes it moral or ethical.

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    How are you so blind? What you want id for the woman's trauma to be neglected in favor of the man's. You come acrros extrememly hateful of women.

    How are you so blind to not see that the man's trauma will be neglected in the favor of the woman to get an abortion in the case that the man wants the baby to live and the woman doesn't want to be a mother? I'm suggesting that the same right be given to the man. If a man's trauma can be neglected, why can't a woman's? Women are NOT superior to men.

    And I really am not hateful of women, I support a LOT of other rights of women, but this one is unfair against men and I'm not one to change my thoughts to appease the crowd, I say things as I see them.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #402 - December 31, 2009, 08:03 AM
    Dude, I think your parents should have the right to have you aborted now. Seriously, think of all the mental stress you've caused them over the years, and there's obviously more to come. They deserve a break.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #403 - December 31, 2009, 09:24 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on December 29, 2009, 07:03 PM
    No.  You can't force a woman through a surgical procedure against her will, that sounds like something from the Stepford Wives, or North Korea.   If you're not ready for fatherhood use a condom.


     .... or think ahead with your bigger head (the one on your shoulders)!  Cheesy
    ...
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #404 - December 31, 2009, 12:12 PM
    Quote from: liberated on December 30, 2009, 10:54 PM
    Oh yea, I'm him, and now I know your identity and I'm going to release some mullahs on you! sheikh  wacko

    FYI jumping to conclusions based on someone's nationality or enquiring about their nationality and whether it has to do anything with their personality reeks of racism.


    Shut up, I know Islame and you are making dumb ass accusations now
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #405 - December 31, 2009, 12:27 PM
    What is worse then Liberated views is, that so many of you think abortion is fine - both men and women can take steps so as not to get the women pregnant, I've been married since 07 me and my wife do not want kids we have sex regularly and she has not become pregnant because she has an injection ever 3 months, which stops her from becoming pregnant  - but I am not completely anti-abortion I just think it should not be taken lightly many folks on here are having a complete psychological disconnect, remember we are talking about a living entity, in my eyes unnecessary abortion is not different then infanticide 500 years from now we will be called barbaric and inhumane for allowing unnecessary abortions, just like we call those from the 7th century barbaric for infanticide
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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #406 - December 31, 2009, 01:14 PM
    Not that I agree with Tut, but pro-life views are a lot more enlightened than what Liberated is advocating. At least pro-lifers aren't wanting to force medical procedures on women!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #407 - December 31, 2009, 01:49 PM
    So who wants to be the first one to make a poll on women's rights regarding forcing a vasectomy on their partner?
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #408 - December 31, 2009, 01:55 PM
    Quote from: spiral dive on December 31, 2009, 01:49 PM
    So who wants to be the first one to make a poll on women's rights regarding forcing a vasectomy on their partner?


    LOL  Cheesy
    tea and cake or death!!!

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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #409 - December 31, 2009, 02:16 PM
    Quote from: liberated on December 31, 2009, 02:00 AM
    She took it out of context.

    This sound familiar to anyone? Tongue
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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #410 - December 31, 2009, 02:17 PM
    Fee Fi Fo Fum, I smell the apologetics of a Musul-man.

     Cheesy
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #411 - December 31, 2009, 02:20 PM

    I've just clicked on this thread. What a waste of energy. Liberated, when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Its a rule that gets you through life quite well.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #412 - December 31, 2009, 02:54 PM
    I'll leave this thread now so everyone can bash on me.

    But the fact remains: A woman shouldn't abuse her biological advantage of holding the child to force a man to become a father without his consent.

    Just like men shouldn't use their biological advantage of being stronger to forcibly impregnate women.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #413 - December 31, 2009, 02:56 PM
    Quote from: liberated on December 31, 2009, 02:54 PM
    I'll leave this thread now so everyone can bash on me.

    But the fact remains: A woman shouldn't abuse her biological advantage of holding the child to force a man to become a father without his consent.

    Just like men shouldn't use their biological advantage of being stronger to forcibly impregnate women.



    Dry cock. Nuff said.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #414 - December 31, 2009, 03:00 PM
    Can you walk away from your child Kafirist?
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #415 - December 31, 2009, 03:08 PM
    There are 26 pages worth of evidence of why a person should not get into debating with your infinite loop of circular logic and total misunderstanding of basic concept of 'rights'. So, imma let u finish but Kope was the best troll of all time, of all time!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #416 - December 31, 2009, 03:19 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on December 31, 2009, 03:08 PM
    So, imma let u finish but Kope was the best troll of all time, of all time!


     Cheesy
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #417 - December 31, 2009, 03:21 PM
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    3) Abortion is a less risky, less invasive, and relatively pain-free procedure compared to pregnancy and childbirth, hence the woman is not being put at any risk through this procedure.


    Wow. And I thought I was insane.

    They're scraping the uterus under general anaesthetic. It's far greater surgery than the vasectomy that most men (myself included) squirm at. There's the risk of puncturing the uterus and all the other risks associated with invasive surgery. Even in hospital, if a woman has a postpartum haemorrhage they treat other possible causes before doing a curette for retained products of conception. So you're totally dreaming, totally insane if you think that you can FORCE another person to go through that.

    And it's less painful than childbirth. Man you crack me up. Obviously it's a wind up but it's a long one at 26 pages. Oh yeah, it's less painful than childbirth so it's alright to force someone to accept it. LOL.
    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #418 - December 31, 2009, 03:32 PM
    It shouldn't have to be forced, that's what I'm saying. Women should accept that men shouldn't be forced to become fathers without their consent, and willingly go through the abortion, just like most men also willingly allow the women to get an abortion if they don't want to keep the child.

    I don't know what stage of abortion you're talking about, but these days, at least in early stages, you can use pills or use laser technology which makes it almost painless and the woman doesn't feel anything. My friend had an abortion and afterwards walked to the car without any support. Compare that to a 9 month pregnancy and childbirth where the woman has to be taken to the labor room on a wheelchair.
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #419 - December 31, 2009, 03:43 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on December 31, 2009, 02:17 PM
    Fee Fi Fo Fum, I smell the apologetics of a Musul-man.

     Cheesy


    Fuckin exactly. Lets make abortion sound like a walk in the park and an afterthought, like daraba is with a fuckin feather.
    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
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