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Theme Changer

 Poll

  • Question: Should men have the right to have a baby aborted when they're not ready for it?
  • Yes - 10 (19.6%)
  • No - 41 (80.4%)
  • Total Voters: 51

 Topic: Men's right to abortions

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  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #480 - October 12, 2014, 11:38 AM
    So how does this

    Quote from: NYerInSaudi on October 12, 2014, 11:30 AM
    As a female, I say that nobody other than myself should have the right to decide whether or not I have an abortion.


    fit with this?

    Quote from: NYerInSaudi on October 12, 2014, 11:30 AM
    I also believe that men should have a say in whether or not a woman can abort in cases where the man wants the child but the woman doesn't.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #481 - October 12, 2014, 11:45 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 12, 2014, 11:38 AM
    So how does this  
    Quote
    from: NYerInSaudi on Today at 11:30 AM
    As a female, I say that nobody other than myself should have the right to decide whether or not I have an abortion.

    fit with this?
    Quote
    from: NYerInSaudi:  I also believe that men should have a say in whether or not a woman can abort in cases where the man wants the child but the woman doesn't.


    Well as far as I am concerned That  statement of NYerInSaudi fits perfectly well with other statement QSM.,  I will explain you later but who started this thread?

     I didn't know that reproductive science HAS ADVANCED TO SUCH A LEVEL THAT MEN ARE HAVING BABIES NOWADAYS .. I think I saw it in some movie...

    So QSM.,  Are men are becoming pregnant and making babies now a days?  
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  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #482 - October 12, 2014, 11:47 AM
    I believe that if any man can do it, it's you yeez.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #483 - October 12, 2014, 11:49 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on October 12, 2014, 11:45 AM
    I didn't know that reproductive science HAS ADVANCED TO SUCH A LEVEL THAT MEN ARE HAVING BABIES NOWADAYS .. I think I saw it in some movie...


    I support men's right to an abortion in such circumstances.
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  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #484 - October 12, 2014, 11:51 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 12, 2014, 11:47 AM
    I believe that if any man can do it, it's you yeez.


    why not QSD?  when THIS GUY can become pregnant any one can

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdB9pnEsL2s

    but let us go back to your post  and those  "NYerInSaudi"  statements...

    Quote from: asbie on October 12, 2014, 11:49 AM
    I support men's right to an abortion in such circumstances.

     Cheesy Cheesy

    Yes asbie.. absolutely I am with you on that..
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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #485 - October 12, 2014, 11:53 AM
    Simply. Why does a woman have the right to force fatherhood on a man or remove his option to be a father? Who am I? It took 2 people to make that child and it should be a decision from those people on what is to become of that pregnancy. If the woman wants the baby and the man does not, then file some legal paperwork and move on. He should not force a woman to abort the child. For some abortion is like murder. That is not something you should force someone to do against their will.  If the man wants the child and the woman doesn't then they need to file paperwork removing her responsibility to the child. The only exception to this should be medical reasons where the health or life of the woman is at a true risk if she were to carry the child to term or during delivery.  I know there are risks associated with pregnancy and child birth.  I'm not ignoring those risks. Most woman have no complications from pregnancy and child birth.  I simply feel that men should not be removed from this decision and should not be forced into accepting the woman's decision of it is not the same as their own.
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #486 - October 12, 2014, 11:55 AM
    They should think about it BEFORE the act.
    And it's the woman to decide, because she is risking her own life not just of the child.
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #487 - October 12, 2014, 12:01 PM
    Quote from: NYerInSaudi on October 12, 2014, 11:53 AM
    I simply feel that men should not be removed from this decision and should not be forced into accepting the woman's decision of it is not the same as their own.

    Most of the time men aren't removed. It's very rare that abortions are carried out in secret without the partner's knowledge. They do talk about it. They do try to come to terms with it and figure out what's best. But if, ultimately, the man wants it and the woman doesn't I fail to see how you believe that as a woman nobody other than yourself should have the right to decide whether or not you have an abortion
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #488 - October 12, 2014, 12:02 PM
    Quote from: INcePtion on October 12, 2014, 11:55 AM
    They should think about it BEFORE the act.

    This is why I've always been incredibly careful about birth control, but every once in a blue moon protection doesn't work.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #489 - October 12, 2014, 12:03 PM
    Quote from: INcePtion on October 12, 2014, 11:55 AM
    They should think about BEFORE the act.
    And it's the woman to decide, because she is risking her own life not just of the child.

    well I maaaaaaan  .. I    don't understand that and i don't need to understand that .. so I don't care..  

     but this is such an important subject for women's rights.,  what  NYerInSaudi said is perfect.
    Quote
    from  NYerInSaudi:  I also believe that men should have a say in whether or not a woman can abort in cases where the man wants the child but the woman doesn't.

    Men should have a SAY  but NOT  RIGHTS TO DECIDE

    And  hello  NYerInSaud.,  never read you before so greetings and my good wishes to you and welcome to CEMB..
    Quote from: NYerInSaudi on October 12, 2014, 11:53 AM
    Simply. Why does a woman have the right to force fatherhood on a man or remove his option to be a father? Who am I? It took 2 people to make that child and.................

      well that was in old times..

    Now we have another way of making babies.,   one person and that in-vitro fertilization technique is enough to make babies..

    with best wishes
    yezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #490 - October 12, 2014, 12:03 PM
    I agree, everyone should know the risks associated with sex. Sometimes accidents happen.  Albeit, not as often as they are claimed to, but they do happen. Also, some people are straight up nuts and do stupid stuff like lie about being on the pill, claiming to have had a vasectomy or even creepy shit like poking pin holes into the condom. So there is always room for an unintended pregnancy to occur. In these cases I feel like the decision should not rest solely on only one person.  The man and the woman both knew that a pregnancy or STD could have resulted from the Sex act before the act commenced. If they didn't then why would either of them even had the forethought to bring a condom or be in the pill?  Most know that pregnancy and child birth come with risks. They walked into that situation with full knowledge and made a decision to have sex anyway.
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #491 - October 12, 2014, 12:07 PM
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  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #492 - October 12, 2014, 12:08 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on October 12, 2014, 12:03 PM
    well I maaaaaaan  .. I    don't understand that and i don't need to understand that .. so I don't care..  

     but this is such an important subject for women's rights.,  what  NYerInSaudi said is perfect.Men should have a SAY  but NOT  RIGHTS TO DECIDE

    And  hello  NYerInSaud.,  never read you before so greetings and my good wishes to you and welcome to CEMB..  well that was in old times..

    Now we have another way of making babies.,   one person and that in-vitro fertilization technique is enough to make babies..

    with best wishes
    yezevee

    I dont know what you dont understand.  mysmilie_977
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #493 - October 12, 2014, 12:09 PM
    Quote from: INcePtion on October 12, 2014, 11:55 AM
    And it's the woman to decide, because she is risking her own life not just of the child.

    Firstly I wouldn't call it a child until a certain stage of development has been reached, secondly abortion in the developed world is one of the safest procedures in medicine. Unsafe abortions like what are common in the middle east and Africa are a different story.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #494 - October 12, 2014, 12:10 PM
    Quote from: Nikolaj on October 12, 2014, 12:07 PM
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Funny and true.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #495 - October 12, 2014, 12:10 PM
    We are talking about hypothetical situations here. Sure, most times the guy has a say, but there are instances where the guy doesn't want the woman to abort,  but she does anyway. There is no legal precendent or ramifications in these instances....and there should be.

    It's really very simple and most of what we need to know about sex resulting in pregnancy and pregnancy ending with child birth is something most have learned about in school and from our families.  If they know about abortions then they know that having Sex is what causes it.

    If 2 consenting adults have sex and a pregnancy happens as a result of it then both people should have a say in what happens.

  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #496 - October 12, 2014, 12:12 PM
    I don't believe either partner has a right to abort, did anyone ask the babies permission..nope
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #497 - October 12, 2014, 12:12 PM
    So if the man wants it and the woman doesn't she shouldn't be allowed?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #498 - October 12, 2014, 12:13 PM
    Quote from: suki on October 12, 2014, 12:12 PM
    I don't believe either partner has a right to abort, did anyone ask the babies permission..nope

    Catholic upbringing?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #499 - October 12, 2014, 12:14 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 12, 2014, 12:09 PM
    Firstly I wouldn't call it a child until a certain stage of development has been reached, secondly abortion in the developed world is one of the safest procedures in medicine. Unsafe abortions like what are common in the middle east and Africa are a different story.

    lol true. I didnt use the correct terminology.
    But yet  it is a woman's body. Nobody can force her.
     
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #500 - October 12, 2014, 12:15 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 12, 2014, 12:09 PM
    Firstly I wouldn't call it a child until a certain stage of development has been reached, secondly abortion in the developed world is one of the safest procedures in medicine. Unsafe abortions like what are common in the middle east and Africa are a different story.


    See, that is your personal opinion. You have a right to your opinion.  Some believe life starts at conception. Who is right? In this case, each is right in their own case as it's based purely on belief.  

    Abortions may be mostly safe, but they do come with risks. Perforated uterus can result in  hysterectomy.  Now this forced abortion has resulted in sterility.  You can't take that back. Safe or not there is still the morality aspect of it that you can't deny.
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #501 - October 12, 2014, 12:17 PM
    It's a fact of reality that an embryo/foetus will develop into a child, and that at a certain stage a foetus is a baby. Abortion ethics focus on when it can be classed as a child, or at what stage if any it's wrong to terminate.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #502 - October 12, 2014, 12:19 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 12, 2014, 12:13 PM
    Catholic upbringing?


    Yeah catholic lol but that has nothing to do with my thoughts, the childs right to exist outweighs any persons qualms about being a parent.

    i also think the guy has the right to save an unwanted pregnancy from being aborted.. (actually im not sure with that one yet, i needs more thinkin ) 
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #503 - October 12, 2014, 12:19 PM
    Quote from: NYerInSaudi on October 12, 2014, 12:15 PM
    Abortions may be mostly safe, but they do come with risks.

    There are a lot more risks to full term pregnancy and birth than there are for abortion. If minimising risk is your aim, abortion better suits that aim.
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  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #504 - October 12, 2014, 12:20 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 12, 2014, 11:38 AM
    So how does this

    fit with this?



    QSM, I see my miswording in the first statement.  I don't believe anyone has the right to force a woman to abort. I do also feel that woman should not be allowed to abort when the father wants to raise the child, unless there is a medical reason that would causes severe harm or death to the mother.
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #505 - October 12, 2014, 12:22 PM
    Quote from: suki on October 12, 2014, 12:19 PM
    Yeah catholic lol but that has nothing to do with my thoughts, the childs right to exist outweighs any persons qualms about being a parent.

    i also think the guy has the right to save an unwanted pregnancy from being aborted..

    So if a girl gave me a blowjob should she feel guilty that millions of potential children have died in her throat? Should every menstrual cycle be a mourning period where you lose an egg and one more child has not been born that could have been?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Re: Men's right to abortions
     Reply #506 - October 12, 2014, 12:22 PM
    Quote from: NYerInSaudi on October 12, 2014, 12:15 PM
    See, that is your personal opinion. You have a right to your opinion.  Some believe life starts at conception. Who is right? In this case, each is right in their own case as it's based purely on belief.  

    It was at at least 200,000 years ago that anatomically modern humans existed, and around 160,000 yeas ago that behaviourally modern humans could have potentially existed, based on the fossil and archaeological evidence. But of course, this doesn't tell us when human life began, only the likely date of the oldest discovered fossilised human.
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  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #507 - October 12, 2014, 12:23 PM
    Quote from: NYerInSaudi on October 12, 2014, 12:20 PM
    QSM, I see my miswording in the first statement.  I don't believe anyone has the right to force a woman to abort. I do also feel that woman should not be allowed to abort when the father wants to raise the child, unless there is a medical reason that would causes severe harm or death to the mother.


    See, Im confused. But that's alright.
    You say "women should not be forced.."
    But " women should not be allowed to abort.."
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #508 - October 12, 2014, 12:24 PM
    Quote from: NYerInSaudi on October 12, 2014, 12:20 PM
    QSM, I see my miswording in the first statement.  I don't believe anyone has the right to force a woman to abort. I do also feel that woman should not be allowed to abort when the father wants to raise the child, unless there is a medical reason that would causes severe harm or death to the mother.

    So you do in fact believe that someone other than yourself should have the right to decide whether or not you have an abortion?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Men's right to abortions
     Reply #509 - October 12, 2014, 12:27 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on October 12, 2014, 12:19 PM
    There are a lot more risks to full term pregnancy and birth than there are for abortion. If minimising risk is your aim, abortion better suits that aim.


    Most women experience no complications from pregnancy or child birth. Statistics regarding this are very skewed.  Like the need for so many c-sections blamed on a narrow pelvis. There are numerous cases where  woman had are c-section because of this very reason and then had a vbac later successfully.  It was a created issue that didn't exist.

    My aim isn't to limit risks. Essentially, I feel that there are risks associated with anything. I could choke on my OJ during breakfast and aspirate and die. I don't avoiding breakfast because of this. I simply try to eat and drink cautiously.  

    Both instances come with risks, as does the act of sexual intercourse.  
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