Skip navigation
Sidebar -

Advanced search options →
↑ ↓
CEMB → Forum → Life, The Universe & Everything → Religions and Gods → How strong an atheist are you?

Welcome

Welcome to CEMB forum.
Please login or register. Did you miss your activation email?

Donations

Help keep the Forum going!
Click on Kitty to donate:

Kitty is lost

Recent Posts

New Britain
Yesterday at 09:20 PM
افضل الايام
by akay
Yesterday at 01:15 PM
Do humans have needed kno...
Yesterday at 10:35 AM
News From Syria
March 08, 2025, 02:50 AM
Ramadan
by akay
March 07, 2025, 02:30 PM
Russia invades Ukraine
March 06, 2025, 10:16 AM
Qur'anic studies today
by zeca
March 04, 2025, 09:03 PM
Marcion and the introduct...
by zeca
March 04, 2025, 06:42 PM
Gaza assault
February 26, 2025, 09:25 AM
اضواء على الطريق ....... ...
by akay
February 23, 2025, 09:40 AM
What music are you listen...
by zeca
February 22, 2025, 09:50 PM
Lights on the way
by akay
February 22, 2025, 02:56 PM

Theme Changer

 Poll

  • Question: On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being absolutely certain there is NO God and 1 being absolutely certain there IS, how sure are you?  (Voting closed: January 05, 2010, 11:30 PM)
  • 10 - 8 (27.6%)
  • 9 - 12 (41.4%)
  • 8 - 7 (24.1%)
  • 7 - 0 (0%)
  • 6 - 0 (0%)
  • 5 - 1 (3.4%)
  • 4 - 0 (0%)
  • 3 - 1 (3.4%)
  • 2 - 0 (0%)
  • 1 - 0 (0%)
  • Total Voters: 29

 Topic: How strong an atheist are you?

 (Read 6452 times)
  • 12 Next page « Previous thread | Next thread »
  • How strong an atheist are you?
     OP - December 29, 2009, 11:30 PM
    I am not talking about any specific religion just the existence of a creator/deity.
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #1 - December 29, 2009, 11:35 PM
    8. I don't believe in god, but I do believe in some spirituality and supernatural stuff. However I label myself as Agnostic. My definition of god isn't anything similar to the crazy hell gods in the bible or quran. so I can't say I "believe in it"
    Closets after closets
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #2 - December 29, 2009, 11:37 PM
    9.  Nobody can ever be totally sure, but I see no reason to think there is one.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #3 - December 29, 2009, 11:38 PM
    Yup. 9 for me too.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #4 - December 29, 2009, 11:57 PM
    8. I leave room for a bit of mystery, but vaguely so.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #5 - December 29, 2009, 11:58 PM
    8
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #6 - December 30, 2009, 12:24 AM
    9
    Once I got rid of Islam, I went smoothly from 2 until 9. It was a fun ride  grin12
    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #7 - December 30, 2009, 12:25 AM
    9 for me
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #8 - December 30, 2009, 12:28 AM
    a perfect 10
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #9 - December 30, 2009, 12:29 AM
    Definately, 10.

    Even if there was a superpower that created everything, like some physical blob or some bolts of electricity or some weird thingy that unintentionaly created the world and universe, I still can not call it God! It is just a blob!
    ...
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #10 - December 30, 2009, 12:44 AM
    9/10 if we are referring to the traditional Abrahmic definition of God - 10/10 if we are referring to Allah
    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #11 - December 30, 2009, 12:54 AM
    8/9

    8 - If there's anything like a 'god' it's pretty incomprehensible/intangible/speculative anyway.

    9 - ...just don't identify with the conception any more at an emotional or spiritual level.
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #12 - December 30, 2009, 12:57 AM
    lol the Abrahamic God is just a joke.
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #13 - December 30, 2009, 01:29 AM
    10 - Whatever maybe out there, it definitely does not deserve the label of 'god'/
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #14 - December 30, 2009, 02:58 AM
    10 - As far as all gods from all religions are concerned. One can still be a deist or pantheist, which makes the question of whether you have faith in such a god unnecessary.
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #15 - December 30, 2009, 03:08 AM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on December 30, 2009, 01:29 AM
    10 - Whatever maybe out there, it definitely does not deserve the label of 'god'/


    Some would argue 'god' needn't be a personal conception, so much as a 'signifier for the absolute totality' (or some such formulation). Perhaps this was the real thrust of monotheism in the first place - it was iconoclastic for a reason.
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #16 - December 30, 2009, 07:24 AM
    Quote
    'signifier for the absolute totality'


    That stuff is such clap trap to me. The reason the pantheistic wishy washiny 'god of universal energy' thingy, has always seemed silly to me is...why the heck would you worship a natural phenomenon? Might as well pray to quantum foam.

    The problem is, nobody wants to define what they mean by 'god' anymore....because it keeps getting debunked.
    So if you dont define what you mean, nobody can dismiss it....however, at the same time, that means its a totally worthless concept.
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #17 - December 30, 2009, 08:15 AM
    Quote from: Homer on December 30, 2009, 07:24 AM
    That stuff is such clap trap to me. The reason the pantheistic wishy washiny 'god of universal energy' thingy, has always seemed silly to me is...why the heck would you worship a natural phenomenon? Might as well pray to quantum foam.


    They don't mean the same thing as the wishy washy pantheism.

    I was quite interested in pantheism at one point. It isn't about worshipping everything. Everything is conscious and alive. We're all god. It's nice and intelligible. But I think there's a reasons religions aren't like that. They need to be taxing, full of paradoxes, contradictions, mysteries, and even absurdities.

    Quote
    The problem is, nobody wants to define what they mean by 'god' anymore....because it keeps getting debunked.
    So if you dont define what you mean, nobody can dismiss it....however, at the same time, that means its a totally worthless concept.


    I don't think it's not so much about proving or debunking god. It's about getting to the heart of belief and religion and more. It's an important idea in philosophy.
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #18 - December 30, 2009, 08:36 AM
    Sounds like Seicho no Ie.

    I actually did try to get into that stuff for a while, as I was really into Japanese culture, but like I said....I cant help being a 10  Tongue
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #19 - December 30, 2009, 08:38 AM
    I  just looked that up. Sounds much like a cult...
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #20 - December 30, 2009, 08:41 AM
    'New Religious Movement' is the Polite term...but ya, its a cult.
    Then again, anytime people organize in a religious context, doesnt it basically become a cult
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #21 - December 30, 2009, 09:03 AM
    To be honest I thought we'd get one or two 10s as a maximum. C'mon guyz even Dawkins is a 9. That's where I got the idea for this poll. Check this video where he elaborates:
                                                           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxwBtfkv9ns

    Quote from: Cheetah
    9.  Nobody can ever be totally sure, but I see no reason to think there is one.

    Exactly. No reason to think there is one and more importantly like Dawkins said "you live your life on the assumption that God isn't there". That's where I'm at btw.

    Quote from: IsLame
    9/10 if we are referring to the traditional Abrahmic definition of God - 10/10 if we are referring to Allah

    Like I said in the first post, this poll is not about any religion or its interpretation of God. It's about the whether a god/creator (non-capitalized) exists or doesn't.

    Quote from: panoptic
    8 - If there's anything like a 'god' it's pretty incomprehensible/intangible/speculative anyway.
    9 - ...just don't identify with the conception any more at an emotional or spiritual level.

    Well said.

    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam
    10 - As far as all gods from all religions are concerned. One can still be a deist or pantheist, which makes the question of whether you have faith in such a god unnecessary.

    I don't know what you mean by "such a god". The poll is about a god and not about any particular interpretation of it.


    As for me, I'm a 9. I am 100% certain in my mind that the religions are not true. It doesn't mean I can logically rule out God or a higher consciousness or that I've any degree of certainty as to whether such kind of entity exists or doesn't exist or what form it's in. But are the Quran, the Bible, the Talmud, are they the word of God as they seen literally? Absolutely not, impossible. It's definitely not true.
    I can't logically rule out God but at the same time I simply cannot imagine that there is one. If I was asked by a surveyor I would respond "no I don't believe in god" and for that reason I am an atheist.
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #22 - December 30, 2009, 09:06 AM
    I still quite appreciate Zen and Taoism. Nothing religious out of it though. Just existential contemplation, and some good proverbs and funny tracts.

    What distinguishes something as a cult is a hierarchy, with usually a single leader. Very intimate mind control and manipulation. I certainly wouldn't call Quakers or Methodists or Alevis etc. cults. Some religious communities are quite good.
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #23 - December 30, 2009, 09:58 AM
    @Iraqi Atheist
    You are correct, in a absolute sense, nobody can be a 10. Just as I cant absolutely say I dont live in the Matrix or that I'm jesus.

    This does however, create one problem for gods, If the god must have omniscience. Omniscience is not possible, because nothing could know that it knows everything, and therefor its own omniscience would be something that it does not absolutely know (see this thread for details: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8063.48 ).

    The problem here is that nobody is defining 'god', and you cant judge an undefined concept.
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #24 - December 30, 2009, 03:57 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on December 30, 2009, 09:03 AM
    As for me, I'm a 9. I am 100% certain in my mind that the religions are not true. It doesn't mean I can logically rule out God or a higher consciousness or that I've any degree of certainty as to whether such kind of entity exists or doesn't exist or what form it's in. But are the Quran, the Bible, the Talmud, are they the word of God as they seen literally? Absolutely not, impossible. It's definitely not true.

    Sorry, I thought you were talking in terms of a traditional deity, as opposed to a supernatural one i.e. entity whose laws are not defined by science.  In that case I would have to put a 6/10 (change my vote from 8 to 6) to the question, and the same reason I remain agnostic..
    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #25 - December 30, 2009, 09:26 PM
    I voted 8, because I don't see the evidence for any gods, but I can't discount the idea that maybe somewhere out there in the universe are beings that we humans would consider god-ish.  But I don't think that Abraham's god exists at all.
    [this space for rent]
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #26 - December 30, 2009, 09:55 PM
    I don't know how to answer this.

    The word "atheism" did not mean "I believe there is no God".


    Both Jews and Christians were dubbed "atheists" by their contemporaries because they adopted a revolutionary idea of God.

    "atheist" always meant a rejection of a particular conception of the Divine.


    Therefore I am not an atheist as you understand it and I can never be an atheist because I don't deal with beliefs. I reject beliefs.


    Am I rejecting a particular conception of the Divine?

    No. I reject all concept of the divine based on belief.

    I am not an Agnostic.


    My position is this.

    I see no evidence for a God (or Gods), Brahman, Nirvana or other super-natural realities.


    This is not atheism as you understand it.


    And I don't know how you would describe a person in my position....?


    I would say I am a Non-Believer.









    Challenge All Ideologies but don't Hate People.
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #27 - December 30, 2009, 10:09 PM
    a skeptic perhaps?
    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #28 - December 30, 2009, 10:12 PM
    Quote
    a skeptic perhaps?



    No. I don't doubt accepted beliefs. I reject them totally.
    Challenge All Ideologies but don't Hate People.
  • Re: How strong an atheist are you?
     Reply #29 - December 30, 2009, 11:46 PM
    adeist
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • 12 Next page « Previous thread | Next thread »