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Reply #150 - January 04, 2010, 06:30 PM

Quote from: ras111 on January 04, 2010, 06:27 PM
We did.. go back over the posts and reread them, they're in English, so I assume you have no problem understanding them.

I was talking about any logical non bigoted ones
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Reply #151 - January 04, 2010, 06:31 PM

Quote from: lightrays on January 04, 2010, 06:30 PM
I was talking about any logical non bigoted ones

So was I... Go over them and read them. Stop finding excuses

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Reply #152 - January 04, 2010, 07:54 PM

Quote from: lightrays on January 04, 2010, 06:29 PM
I made no such request just indicated that you appeared to want to.

You said I should go an start another thread if I wanted to discuss them. Come on now. Its sounds very evasive (remember my earlier comment about apologists being 'slippier than frogs'. I can understand why you suffer dissonance, and why you dont want to answer those questions. I knew they were difficult. I just wish you would be honest and acknowledge that they present a huge flaw and dissonance in your worldview. Well, its not me that is suffering from it anyhow.

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Reply #153 - January 04, 2010, 09:23 PM

Quote from: lightrays on January 04, 2010, 04:25 PM
yes and as a majority that group would elect those offering those policies. I think I have grasped representative democracy. You were just saying it was a problem for you though werent you?

And it obvious you can't even be bothered reading a persons completely post and addressing it holistically; you're attacked by people you call 'bigots' because you flat out refuse to buck up your ideas and logically address the issues raised in the post. The fact you can't even see the links between the individual parts then attempt to sever them when replying tells me that you're either a lying scumbag or you're a person whose English is that of your second language.

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Reply #154 - January 05, 2010, 02:01 AM

I completely support and will vote for sharia law in the UK.

I hope that it can come into power soon.

Then I can claim asylum to Canada and GTFO.

We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

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Reply #155 - January 05, 2010, 02:36 AM

Quote from: ExHindu on January 05, 2010, 02:01 AM
I completely support and will vote for sharia law in the UK.

I hope that it can come into power soon.

Then I can claim asylum to Canada and GTFO.

Personally I'd like it bought in just for Muslims; the most barbaric and hardcore version of Islamic Sharia. If Muslims want Sharia, then lets give it them.

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Reply #156 - January 05, 2010, 04:13 AM

Actually, thats an awesome idea!

Full Sharia law in the UK just for Muslims.

Can we replace stoning to nuking though?

We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

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Reply #157 - January 05, 2010, 04:18 AM

Quote from: ExHindu on January 05, 2010, 04:13 AM
Actually, thats an awesome idea!

Full Sharia law in the UK just for Muslims.

Can we replace stoning to nuking though?

Nope, I'm worried about the resale value of that plot of land.

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Reply #158 - January 05, 2010, 04:51 AM

But I like pretty mushroom clouds :(.

I want to see one IRL, big yummy mushroom boom.

*Slurp*.

We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

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Reply #159 - January 05, 2010, 07:15 AM

Quote from: lightrays on January 04, 2010, 05:20 PM
I think the current suggestions are to permit such equal rights to all such groups.

See, that's the problem, and why we disagree on principle. You want people divided up into different groups. Sectarian balkanization.

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It is a good system no one without a specific axe to grind can really argue otherwise.

I disagee, AND have an Axe to grind with religious institutions, which are based on evil tyrannies.

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Following the law of the land as a minority is indeed the correct Islamic law response.

So trying to create parallel institutions would run counter to islamic law........and lets face it, this is not about simple arbitration mediation, this is about setting up parallel institutions so mullahs can have power.

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Individuals still under law have a choice of recourse to a higher court and of course only if all is compliant with uk law etc etc.

So then it is not even real sharia..its play sharia...so you can feel a little more separate from the dirty kuffar, with the added bonus of forcing the government to declare sharia legitimate and setting up institutions for when they push for more and more power (like going into criminal matters, such as many have done by making rulings on domestic violence).

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Reply #160 - January 05, 2010, 10:02 AM

Quote from: kaiwai on January 05, 2010, 02:36 AM
Personally I'd like it bought in just for Muslims; the most barbaric and hardcore version of Islamic Sharia. If Muslims want Sharia, then lets give it them.

I have always said the same myself.The goverment should start up a pilot scheme on a Scottish Island,preferably Gruinard which is still contaminated with anthrax,and let them stone each other to death until their hearts are content.
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Reply #161 - January 05, 2010, 10:29 AM

Quote from: ras111 on January 04, 2010, 06:31 PM
So was I... Go over them and read them. Stop finding excuses

No excuses. I was probing what reasons you have for banning groups in your society from engaging practises which are not deemed illegal. If you feel your reasons are sufficient for such an intolerant position that is fine. I won't make excuses for you or try to illustrate to you your intolerance.

In another post I was reminded it is a duty on muslims to not mock others beliefs. I can see I have over stepped the mark here and it hasn't been good for my soul. Though I might claim some provocation (ie calling me a cunt). That is neither here nor there. The small reason I might have had to engage in some decent conversation has evaporated and only the ego remains. Initially I would have justified discussing with a view to illustrating firstly that logic and knowledge is not necessarily a path to wisdom and secondly that actually people are not very different and we all hold some irrational beliefs, phobias and hang ups.
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Reply #162 - January 05, 2010, 10:45 AM

Quote from: lightrays on January 05, 2010, 10:29 AM
No excuses. I was probing what reasons you have for banning groups in your society from engaging practises which are not deemed illegal. If you feel your reasons are sufficient for such an intolerant position that is fine. I won't make excuses for you or try to illustrate to you your intolerance.

I'm getting the impression that English is not your first language as I never wrote anything about banning groups or practices that are not illegal. On the contrary, I said that you should have no problem with the current laws because they give you freedom to practice your beliefs. If you are referring to things such as stoning on the other hand.....

Quote from: lightrays on January 05, 2010, 10:29 AM
In another post I was reminded it is a duty on muslims to not mock others beliefs. I can see I have over stepped the mark here and it hasn't been good for my soul. Though I might claim some provocation (ie calling me a cunt).

You did spoke like one didn't you?

Quote from: lightrays on January 05, 2010, 10:29 AM
That is neither here nor there. The small reason I might have had to engage in some decent conversation has evaporated and only the ego remains.

Oh stop with the victim charade, it makes me want to puke on my neighbour's cat. There are many questions you did not answer for some reason

Quote from: lightrays on January 05, 2010, 10:29 AM
Initially I would have justified discussing with a view to illustrating firstly that logic and knowledge is not necessarily a path to wisdom

Oh really?! Then what would that be? Practicing the codes of a 7th century desert tribal society?

Quote from: lightrays on January 05, 2010, 10:29 AM
and secondly that actually people are not very different and we all hold some irrational beliefs, phobias and hang ups.

If you are talking about a phobia of religious bigots who want to establish religious law and control others' personal lives and hurt or kill those whom they deem as sinners, then I don't think that it is wrong or irrational. On the contrary, it is very rational to have such a fear. Especially when you look at societies under sharia. Tell me, why don't you go to Somalia if you are so ardent for it?

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Reply #163 - January 05, 2010, 10:58 AM

I am finding hard not to insult you ras. I don't feel a victim why would you think that? Indeed despite thinking some of you are twats I do still feel sorry for you. And I don't consider somalia and Islamic state but then nor do you. You really are talking crap. But if a mosquito came into my room I would feel justified in trying to squash it. And in a sense my coming here is akin to that.
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Reply #164 - January 05, 2010, 11:05 AM

Quote from: lightrays on January 05, 2010, 10:58 AM
I am finding hard not to insult you ras. I don't feel a victim why would you think that?

Your misguided sense of self righteousness gives me that impression

Quote from: lightrays on January 05, 2010, 10:58 AM
Indeed despite thinking some of you are twats I do still feel sorry for you.

I wish I could find it within me to feel the same, but I cannot. Abhorrence would be a better word to describe what I feel for your type.

Quote from: lightrays on January 05, 2010, 10:58 AM
And I don't consider somalia and Islamic state but then nor do you.

On the contrary I actually do. Most of it is under the control of Al Shabab. Here comes the classic question, which country is an Islamic state? You never mentioned one.

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You really are talking crap. But if a mosquito came into my room I would feel justified in trying to squash it. And in a sense my coming here is akin to that.

Only here, you are the mosquito

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Reply #165 - January 05, 2010, 11:15 AM

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Here comes the classic question, which country is an Islamic state?

Depends what the persons definition of Islamic state. Some people consider any State that has any number of rules derived strictly from Sharia law as an Islamic state. Some would consider a state Islamic, only if it's run fully under Sharia law. Which is why many Muslims would say there doesn't exist any Islamic countries, as none are ruled solely on Shariah.

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Reply #166 - January 05, 2010, 01:27 PM

Sophistry, creeping, crawling.

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Reply #167 - January 05, 2010, 01:48 PM

Lightrays, England has evolved it's democracy over many centuries and we do not want your sharia law mate, it does not fit with our way of life.
We will not allow sharia law, it is as simple as that, we will fight to have the so called civil sharia law courts and tribunals banned.

Here's our spokesman Tommy on Mr Choudary and his march through Wootton.

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/

I've read your posts on here and they have made me very angry, you live in a country in which you are free, that freedom has been gained by the blood of my forefathers and they have given you and all the peoples of this country a way of life which is better than many other countries around the world and you wish to abuse that freedom.

The so called sharia courts that are operating now are abusive to women and they go against the spirit of English law.
Maryam says that things like child custody are decided by these courts and it is terribly wrong that a childs future is decided by it's religious welfare and not in the best interest of the individual child.

It seems to me that Islam needs to come to terms with the Idea of freedom.

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Reply #168 - January 05, 2010, 03:49 PM

Lightrays wrote
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I would have justified discussing with a view to illustrating firstly that logic and knowledge is not necessarily a path to wisdom and secondly that actually people are not very different and we all hold some irrational beliefs, phobias and hang ups.

Some truth in that.The Oxford don often has the same hang-ups and uncontrollable desires as the man who empties his dustbin.
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Reply #169 - January 05, 2010, 05:06 PM

Lol @ the astounding irony of a nutjob who cant communicate or debate in English, that supports Anjem Chewdick, and wants sharia law bought to the UK calling everyone else twats.

Where did this clown come from? Amusing he is, very amusing.

I have never read such a pathetically weak defense over sharia law ever, I mean, even Nick Griffin made sharia law sound much much better than you do when he said 'There are some areas of sharia law that are good such as ... But they do not belong in Britain'.

Actually, making less sense than him is something you should be ashamed about.

We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

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Reply #170 - January 05, 2010, 06:48 PM

Go Anjum, keep up the good work of defaming Islam to the masses, including moderate Muslims in the UK. It will get them to think what kind of religion they are apart of, however much it hurts.

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Reply #171 - January 05, 2010, 11:51 PM

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Go Anjum, keep up the good work of defaming Islam to the masses, including moderate Muslims in the UK. It will get them to think what kind of religion they are apart of, however much it hurts.

Give Anjem a knighthood for contribution to Islam

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Reply #172 - January 06, 2010, 10:44 AM

Some people say that Choudary is a crank and no one listens to him, least of all muslims. But he is listened to, he is welcomed in many mosques and universities right across the country, some British suicide bombers were radicalised by him and Bakri.
His second in command went to Oxford where he was radicalised.

Listen to the guy calling himself Matthew on talk sport, his views were very close to Choudarys. So the idea that he is harmless and a nutter are just not true.

We won't be marching in Wooten Basset as the good folk there don't need us to as their views are quite clear.
But, if his march goes ahead we will march on his street, outside his house and see how he likes it.

This man is committing acts of treason and he should be arrested and jailed for life.

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Reply #173 - January 06, 2010, 10:50 AM

I agree with you arthur, but he doesnt deserve to be jailed here, he deserves to thown out into the ocean and fed to the sharks.

We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

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Reply #174 - January 06, 2010, 11:13 AM

The man is so poisoness that I pity any shark that bit him.

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Reply #175 - January 06, 2010, 02:15 PM

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Listen to the guy calling himself Matthew on talk sport, his views were very close to Choudarys. So the idea that he is harmless and a nutter are just not true.

Arthur,

If you spoke to any Catholic moderate during the troubles they would have responded in the same way as Mathew did.Back in the seventies my karate instructor hated the SAS with a vengenance and he was an Irish Cathoolic who had been born in this country and served in the 17/21 st Lancers.He didn't agree with terrorism but he did agree with the IRA's cause.

Choudary is no different to Ian Pailsey,a firebrand rabble rouser but certainly not a terrorist.I doubt if he has got the bottle to be a terrorist.
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Reply #176 - January 06, 2010, 03:00 PM

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Arthur wrote
Arthur,

If you spoke to any Catholic moderate during the troubles they would have responded in the same way as Mathew did.Back in the seventies my karate instructor hated the SAS with a vengenance and he was an Irish Cathoolic who had been born in this country and served in the 17/21 st Lancers.He didn't agree with terrorism but he did agree with the IRA's cause.

Choudary is no different to Ian Pailsey,a firebrand rabble rouser but certainly not a terrorist.I doubt if he has got the bottle to be a terrorist.

Exactly!

I too have tried to explain this point so many times - when it becomes a case of muslims being under attack, then it becomes a natural part of group psychology for those who belong to that group, particurly if they feel threatened or under attack, rightly or wrongly to rally round that cause & provide support.

Same reason if you ask a random muslim if they suppport the shariah, the majority are far from a threat. If the country became secular I am sure over time the other problems would eventually disappear too.

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Reply #177 - January 06, 2010, 07:29 PM

So I shouldnt have removed my nuking signature or stopped saying I want to nuke people due to being PMed by another forum user warning me that I could get in big bother if the anti terrorist brigade on the internet found them?

I would enjoy having a good lulz in court, but I think I would rather avoid it since I could be jailed if the judge and jury dont appreciate satire.

But if Anjem has never had any action taken against him, I should be able to get away with saying nuke all the hindus and muslims, but it would still depend on the judge.

We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

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Reply #178 - January 06, 2010, 08:02 PM

who's goatse in your signature?

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Reply #179 - January 06, 2010, 08:26 PM

Please google it.

We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

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