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  • Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     OP - January 05, 2010, 02:36 AM

    What would be the first steps for someone who wants to help with anti-aging research/revival from death related research? What fields would that person study and how could he/she start to contribute?
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #1 - January 05, 2010, 03:03 AM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_extension

    Well.. revival from death is largely pseudoscience at this point, but anti-aging would fall under some area of genetics, the industry would be biotechnology.

    I'm guessing first step would be a bachelors degree/major in some biology related subject, preferably molecular genetics or something like that. Then I guess you'd want to get a masters in a university that deals with the cutting edge of genetics related to matters like cloning, stem cell research etc. I'm sure anti-aging is related to this.

    It's quite a specialized area, so a PhD is a must.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #2 - January 05, 2010, 03:12 AM

    Thanks kaff.

    All other opinions also appreciated Smiley
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #3 - January 05, 2010, 03:14 AM

    There is also the Sith(TM) method of revival from death:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R09jFWQVrE0

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #4 - January 05, 2010, 03:29 AM

    @Kaff what are the advantages of getting a degree in this VS buying the books & reading them directly?
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #5 - January 05, 2010, 03:32 AM

    Well there is the issue of accreditation and financing. Unless of course your very very rich, then you can just do a hostile take-over of a biotechnology firm and put all the researchers on life extension work.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #6 - January 05, 2010, 03:43 AM

    I read that human cloning is banned in so many developing nations. Wtf!!!  finmad

    They say that a lot of dead & dying babies will be created for human cloning to work, WHO CARES?? Why don't they think of all the lives it would save??

    Fucking nutjobs!
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #7 - January 05, 2010, 04:22 AM

    Yea, the ethical controls are very strict, you cant do anything with using babies for that kind of research, and human cloning is a big no no, even though we know how to. You cant even genetically modify an embryo to remove genetic disease for couples with a high risk of passing on genetic disease to their offspring.

    Embryonic stem cell research is also very limited and even banned in some places as the numpty average joe doesnt realise that embryonic stem cells are obtained from aborted fetuses.

    Then again, the pro life agenda that is against stem cell research and genetic engineering are also trying to ban abortions.

    America, the most advanced country in the world? Failed by a democracy with a christian majority.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #8 - January 05, 2010, 04:29 AM

    Gah, its so annoying it makes my blood boil.

    Who cares if a few babies get killed to save millions of lives?

    Its like all these people think babies are like some really special creatures and when those same babies would become adults those same people who didn't want them to die as a baby wouldn't even give them a job, lol.

    Seriously, a baby is an unconscious entity. Just give it an injection if its deformed and move on. Why do they need to hold back the progress of science for some stupid babies.
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #9 - January 05, 2010, 05:23 AM

    Because babies are actually conscious, cute, cuddly, and become humans. What if you were the baby that were going to be used for some pointless experiment?

    Science also has never, and never will revolve around sacrificing human life. There is nothing beneficial that can be obtained research wise from killing a baby, if you think there is, then you first need to write a 10000 word introductory thesis about it with an Aim, Hypothesis and full scientific knowledge behind exactly how killing that baby will be beneficial in anyway and what the reason and idea behind doing so is, and then get this project approved in a major scientific debate with PHD graduates, and if it passes that and becomes scientifically accepted, it then needs to pass ethical checks, which anything containing killing a baby is highly likely to fail right away.    

    So far, beneficial science in this area exists regarding genetic modification, embryonic stem cell research, and cloning, all of which can be done completely safely without resorting to killing babies.

    Oh, wherever you read that dying babies is a part of cloning is pathetic science fiction bull shit fed to the average plebs by idiot writers who dont know anything about cloning. The human cloning method would work exactly the same as dolly the sheep did, no need for killing babies at all.

    The science fiction nut jobs would think that mad scientists will sit in their labs creating clone after clone after clone and killing them for no reason or something.

    You would need to study Genetics to PHD level to fully understand it, and Genetics is a very tough science to understand.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #10 - January 05, 2010, 08:28 AM

    Gah, its so annoying it makes my blood boil.

    Who cares if a few babies get killed to save millions of lives?

    Its like all these people think babies are like some really special creatures and when those same babies would become adults those same people who didn't want them to die as a baby wouldn't even give them a job, lol.

    Seriously, a baby is an unconscious entity. Just give it an injection if its deformed and move on. Why do they need to hold back the progress of science for some stupid babies.



     Roll Eyes

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #11 - January 05, 2010, 09:03 AM

    Gah, its so annoying it makes my blood boil.

    Who cares if a few babies get killed to save millions of lives?

    Its like all these people think babies are like some really special creatures and when those same babies would become adults those same people who didn't want them to die as a baby wouldn't even give them a job, lol.

    Seriously, a baby is an unconscious entity. Just give it an injection if its deformed and move on. Why do they need to hold back the progress of science for some stupid babies.


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  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #12 - January 05, 2010, 04:32 PM

    Because babies are actually conscious, cute, cuddly, and become humans. What if you were the baby that were going to be used for some pointless experiment?


    Pointless??  cool2

    Some opponents of human cloning (growing a cloned embryo and getting stem cells from it for replacement tissue)  disallow research on it because for the research to be successful 'a lot of dead and dying babies will be created on the way'. My response is... so what? They should just be considered bad output and you should move on. When I'm doing programming work I sometimes get bad data as I'm building something, I just delete it and move on until I get good data. They ought to do the same way rather than hold back science for the sake of some babies.

    At least we can experiment on animal embryos  Tongue
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #13 - January 05, 2010, 04:32 PM



  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #14 - January 05, 2010, 04:48 PM

    Pointless??  cool2

    Some opponents of human cloning (growing a cloned embryo and getting stem cells from it for replacement tissue)  disallow research on it because for the research to be successful 'a lot of dead and dying babies will be created on the way'. My response is... so what? They should just be considered bad output and you should move on. When I'm doing programming work I sometimes get bad data as I'm building something, I just delete it and move on until I get good data. They ought to do the same way rather than hold back science for the sake of some babies.

    At least we can experiment on animal embryos  Tongue


    Seriously where are you getting your information from? I majored in Human Biology focusing in Genetics and Immunology, covering all aspects of genetic modification, cloning, stem cell research, and not one part of it requires killing babies.

    You seem to have read what some nutjob pro life creationist wrote and believed it.

    1) Embryos are not babies, they are weeks old premature embryos, NOT FULLY BORN BABIES.

    2) All embryos used in scientific research are aqquired from abortions and discarded within 12 weeks of gestation. If an embryo is older than 12 weeks, then it becomes useless for embryonic stem cell research as the cells will have already started to specialise.

    I suggest you actually try reading articles from scientific journals if looking into topics like these, not what you read in the rubbish media by some clueless twit, or in some make belief sci fi book.


    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #15 - January 05, 2010, 05:07 PM

    If this is the case then why is human cloning banned in a lot of developed countries?
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #16 - January 05, 2010, 05:22 PM

    Because human cloning has absolutely nothing to do with embryonic stem cell research and the ethical morality of cloning humans is still more negative than positive - there is no aspect to cloning that is yet beneficial, and cloning adults is a disasterous means of creating new life as opposed to making a baby the normal way.

    The older the person you try to clone is, the far less healthy the clone would turn out.

    And what are your reasons for wanting to clone people? Where is your thesis on the advantages to human life from doing this?

    Simply wanting to do things for the fun of it with no reason is not science. Your opinions in this thread are no different to religious belief, you simply believe that cloning people and killing babies is beneficial to humans, when you have no kind of logic or understanding behind how.

    Science simply does not operate in this way.

    Cloning humans is banned because it is still highly unethical. That is the reason.

    There is no evidence behind how cloning humans is beneficial in anyway, and we have enough people on this planet as it is, we dont need to make more through pointless cloning.


    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #17 - January 05, 2010, 06:17 PM

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    And what are your reasons for wanting to clone people? Where is your thesis on the advantages to human life from doing this?


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    Some life extensionists suggest that therapeutic cloning and stem cell research could one day provide a way to generate cells, body parts, or even entire bodies (generally referred to as reproductive cloning) that would be genetically identical to a prospective patient. In one experiment, a functioning dog's bladder was grown and proved to be viable after implantation. Recently, the US Department of Defense initiated a program to research the possibility of growing human body parts on mice.[18] Complex biological structures, such as mammalian joints and limbs, have not yet been made. In one popular scenario, an individual's brain is transplanted from his or her aging body into a new, youthful body cloned from his or her own tissues.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_extension#Cloning_and_body_part_replacement

    If human cloning research is banned, then we will not be able to improve this research to the standards where the cloned bodies/body parts are as good as naturally produced ones. If that standard is one day reached, then it would be possible to manufacture a new body for terminally ill/disabled people, and to do a brain transplant from their old/aging body to the new, youthful one, in which case the life can be extended considerably.

    Not to mention that if human cloning technology is perfected, we'll be able to grow limbs, eyes, hands, legs, kidneys, etc from the person's own tissue if he loses any of those body parts due to disease or accidents.

    Yet this research is being held back because of so called ethics. A few badly formed bodies are a very small price to pay for millions of lives that can be saved.
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #18 - January 05, 2010, 06:55 PM

    If we start, as nonbelievers, to see human life as something like a resource, we could aswell become religious (again).

    Seriously... we have to value the life, even cloned life, higher then anything else. Im an atheist, but i would never concider sacrificing only one human being for the good of another. Its not a decition we are to make. Either we have our moral code, and we stick by it, or we become savages.

    Its not that im about those poor cudly babies or something, if someone wants to sacrifice his life for someone else, its his, and ONLY his decition to make, and since babies cant decide...

    Im totally for science, but im for science that follows the hypocrathic oath. "I shall never harm another human being"

    For me, there are two scenarios where i would kill another human: Self defense or to defend the life of a loved one. Thats something natural...

    But even then, i wouldnt shrug and shake it off. I would probably feel guilt for the rest of my life.

    I say all this because, many religious people allways get to the point in a discussion where they say, i cant have morals if i dont believe in God(s). And to coutner it, i say that my Morals come from a much more reliable source, and thats humanity. With that i mean our social interactions, wich are about living together, and not harming eachother... its really complicated, but in the end, my morals dont come from an outside source, but from inside me.

    "Treat others like you want to be treated yourself."

    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
    "there is no religion of peace, only people who are peaceful while being religious."
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #19 - January 05, 2010, 06:57 PM

    Well said DD  Afro

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #20 - January 05, 2010, 07:02 PM

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    For me, there are two scenarios where i would kill another human: Self defense or to defend the life of a loved one. Thats something natural...


    Both of those things come into play here. If human cloning is researched it can defend you against disease and dying, and it can also protect your loved ones from disease / dying.

    This is how I see it. Any cloned body produced will be asleep/faint and will not know anything. If its discovered that its deformed/dying, you'd simply give it a lethal injection and it'll die peacefully without even knowing it existed. And keep in mind that the actual human being from whom the clone is produced will be alive, and it will be with his own consent that his clones will be produced.

    And our technology will be improved and we'll be able to produce healthy clones sooner or later if we just make the sacrifice of those few clones which may need to be killed initially.
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #21 - January 05, 2010, 07:10 PM

    No, not as i see it. Deseases and such things just are... they were, and probably will ever be part of human life.

    With killing in self defense and defenso of a loved one, i mean if someone threatens to kill me or them.

    In your scenario, the 'clones' do neither... they are completly inresponsible for my or my relatives condition, yet you say its perfectly fine to kill a human being, cloned or not, to safe me or them?

    Its two kinds of gloves if i shoot a guy in the head who holds a knife to my wifes throat, or if i kill someone i dont even know because my wife has cancer. You see this?

    Sure, i would do anything to safe my wife (if i ever have one), but i would never ask for someone else to die for me because i am sick... who am i to ask for something like that?!

    And besides... its just fucked up to create a human being, and then kill him just cause...

    If we think gods an idiot (the abrahamic one) Dont repeat his misbehavior.

    Being able to create life, dousnt bring the right to end it, with itself.




    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
    "there is no religion of peace, only people who are peaceful while being religious."
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #22 - January 05, 2010, 07:22 PM

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    No, not as i see it. Deseases and such things just are... they were, and probably will ever be part of human life.


    They will indeed if we don't try to solve them! How can you give up like that, esp being an atheist?  There were a lot of things people previously thought just 'were' and now we have the cure to fix them!

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    With killing in self defense and defenso of a loved one, i mean if someone threatens to kill me or them.

    The result remains the same, diseases are a potential threat to killing you and your loved ones and my loved ones.

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    In your scenario, the 'clones' do neither... they are completly inresponsible for my or my relatives condition, yet you say its perfectly fine to kill a human being, cloned or not, to safe me or them?


    Not a human being, just a genetically engineered clone which doesn't even know it exists. The human being is the living person who gave the consent to be cloned.

    Its also possible that those clones are even created without a brain in which case it will just be a 'body'. By treating a 'body' the equivalent of a human being the progress of science is being halted...

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    And besides... its just fucked up to create a human being, and then kill him just cause...


    It will be created to save lives, give someone a new life, defeat diseases, etc. It will only be killed to put it out of its misery in some cases, not just because.

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    If we think gods an idiot (the abrahamic one) Dont repeat his misbehavior.

    Being able to create life, dousnt bring the right to end it, with itself.


    Again this behavior just doesn't make sense. To save a few 'bodies' do you know how many people are being killed every day? Those people are conscious human beings aware of everything that's happening to them. Those people can be saved if this technology is researched. How can you justify the deaths of millions of people over the potential deaths of a few unconscious bodies? The people who ban this research are murdering far more people than the bodies they might be saving.
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #23 - January 05, 2010, 08:12 PM

    Liberated, Wikipedia is never allowed as a reference in any serious scientific debate, only research journals and full scientific papers would be. Cloned organs would not work because they would age too fast. Also, you would have to harm the cloned human to obtain them. This belief and area of science is such a premature area, I can assure you that there is not one measure of scientific proof that using clones for organs is yet possible, other than premature theories and science fiction.

    Stem cells on the other hand are capable of growing into any organ and this can be done without harming any human that has already been born. There are many whack theories and ideas in science, if they are still illegal it is fully deserved as their benefits have not yet been proven to outweigh the ethical limitations.

    Cloning humans is not a good thing. If I were on my death bed from organ failure, I wouldnt ever think of wanting to clone myself and stealing my clones organs, I really dont think that anyone would.

    You have also far overestimated the potential benefit to cloning for organ donation. The only person that such a technology would benefit is the person being cloned that could have perfectly matched organs that would not get rejected or require immunosuppresive drugs to maintain. It would not be a benefit to all the people on the waiting list, as they would not only face the usual problems associated with transplantations, but also recieve an organ that would age faster then they naturally would.

    Clones for organs is a terrible reason to support saving people when it is already a failed idea in its theory.

    Your ideas of genetic engineering and cloning are the exact reasons why it is banned. No scientific body on this planet would ever allow what you suggest from clones because it is ridiculously inhumane and in real life science, not Wikipedia / media / sci fi science, it is not a benefit to anyone on the kind of scale that you mistake it to be.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #24 - January 05, 2010, 08:18 PM

    Genetically engineered clones are still humans. Cloning a species does not remove that clones identity as a member of that species. A clone would be no different to anyone else, but would probably only live for around 10-20 years.

    Your suggestion to make handicapped clones is also a complete mockery of genetic engineering, and it is crazy ideas like these for why the science cannot even be used to cure genetic disease.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #25 - January 05, 2010, 09:04 PM

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    Also, you would have to harm the cloned human to obtain them.

    You don't necessarily need to create the whole body to obtain one organ, the organs could be manufactured independently of the rest of the body.

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    This belief and area of science is such a premature area, I can assure you that there is not one measure of scientific proof that using clones for organs is yet possible, other than premature theories and science fiction.


    Obviously, and if research in this area remains banned how do you suppose that it will ever move beyond hypothesis / premature theories? We have to do research to be able to go forward in this area. It is a possibility which will open up if we pursue it.

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    Stem cells on the other hand are capable of growing into any organ and this can be done without harming any human that has already been born. There are many whack theories and ideas in science, if they are still illegal it is fully deserved as their benefits have not yet been proven to outweigh the ethical limitations.


    Yea, I think the stuff I quoted also says stem cells could be used for the cloning.

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    Cloning humans is not a good thing. If I were on my death bed from organ failure, I wouldnt ever think of wanting to clone myself and stealing my clones organs, I really dont think that anyone would.


    What if the clone is produced without a brain and your brain is transplanted to the new body? There's nothing whatsoever wrong about it, and trust me, millions of people would do that for themselves or their relatives.

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    You have also far overestimated the potential benefit to cloning for organ donation. The only person that such a technology would benefit is the person being cloned that could have perfectly matched organs that would not get rejected or require immunosuppresive drugs to maintain. It would not be a benefit to all the people on the waiting list, as they would not only face the usual problems associated with transplantations, but also recieve an organ that would age faster then they naturally would.


    If we have cloning technology why would there be a waiting list? Each person who needs an organ would get it manufactured rather than needing a donation from someone else.

    But its also possible that they create templates of organs based on the different blood/body types and the organ which most resembles your own organs is given to you.

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    in real life science, not Wikipedia / media / sci fi science, it is not a benefit to anyone on the kind of scale that you mistake it to be.


    Exactly how not? Given that:
    - Billions of people who are dying today could have a new, brain-less body manufactured for them and have their brain transplanted to the new body and could then live a new life, or:

    - Millions of people who need a new organ could have that organ manufactured for them and continue to live their lives

    How will it not benefit humanity? Please elaborate.

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    Your suggestion to make handicapped clones is also a complete mockery of genetic engineering, and it is crazy ideas like these for why the science cannot even be used to cure genetic disease.


    I didn't suggest anywhere that handicapped clones 'should' be made, all I said was that on the way to perfect our cloning technology some handicapped clones might be produced until our technology is perfected.
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #26 - January 06, 2010, 01:31 AM

    Dude, you cant use cloning to create a human without certain organs, or use it just to create certain organs, cloning has nothing to do with stem cell research, what you are coming up with is just whack job nonsense.  

    Cloning produces full babies with all organs and a human body, which would age probably around 3-5 times faster than a normal human due to using adult chromosomes that have already aged well past childhood.

    I do not consider having my brain placed in a body that will become the equivalent of 80 by 20 years of a good thing.

    This stuff is far too complex for you to understand without first doing a degree in genetics, much of what you are typing is completely no different to the BS that a religious person would say about the things that they believe.

    I do not care in the slightest about any false beliefs, anything unproven, or based on your kind of science fiction ideas. I didnt give up believing in religion to follow science like some kind of alternative religion as you are doing right now.  

    Research into the area being banned is not limiting anything about creating new organs. Cloning only creates disadvantaged handicapped humans. That is it. You cannot create clones of individual organs, that is not possible at all.

    Please stop putting stem cell research, cloning, and genetic engineering all together in one confused jumble, they are all completely seperate areas which you do not understand very well. Maybe go and study a Genetics degree, trying to understand PHD level science from the internet without having studied it beforehand is a ridiculous thing to do.  

    And please stop coming up with 'what ifs'. If something in science is still a 'what if' theory, that does not mean that babies can be sacrificed to test it.

    You could also kill babies, stick them through a grinder, place the remains in a can and sell canned babies as food in starving countries. This would reduce both overcrowding and help keep people alive by feeding them. This would provide exactly the same amount of benefit to the human race as your ideas suggest, that doesnt make it ok to do.

    And why did you even go from impossible ideas such as making old people young again and raising dead people, to killing babies to help the world? What is wrong with you? Even I'm not that crazy.

    The earth is overcrowded enough. We do not need to ever extend how long we live for, raise dead, or kill babies in the name of science.
    I think you are upset about the idea of dying. You fear death now that you think there is no afterlife, and you are trying to turn to science as a means to believe you can prolong your own life or be resurrected after you die.

    Science is not witchcraft, voodoo magic, or a role playing video game. It doesnt have healing, necromancy or raise dead spells to accomplish what you are asking.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #27 - January 06, 2010, 01:33 AM

    As much as I loathe your other silly "nuke" and "india is gay" posts, you're knowledge is much appreciated here ExHindu. You said you studied in this field? Do you work in biotechnology?

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #28 - January 06, 2010, 01:45 AM

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    Dude, you cant use cloning to create a human without certain organs, or use it just to create certain organs, cloning has nothing to do with stem cell research, what you are coming up with is just whack job nonsense.  

    Cloning produces full babies with all organs and a human body, which would age probably around 3-5 times faster than a normal human due to using adult chromosomes that have already aged well past childhood.


    Right now cloning of all sorts is banned, correct? This means producing a clone of a human body through stem cells will also be banned and the research on this would be prohibited, no?

    I'm talking only about producing new 'adult' bodies through stem cells or other means which might also be banned under the banning of human cloning laws. I wasn't talking/thinking about reproductive cloning.

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    I didnt give up believing in religion to follow science like some kind of alternative religion as you are doing right now.


    What the fuck gave you that idea that i think of science as an alternative religion? That's the stupidest assumption anyone's ever made about me

    I'm not gonna answer anything else you said cuz you made them under the assumption that I was talking about reproductive cloning which I wasn't. The baby thing is about stem cell research being prohibited/controversial because the stem cells come from aborted babies, the human cloning wasn't related to babies in my mind, it was only about adult bodies being cloned.

    You seem to be knowledgeable in this field, so why don't you answer my first question about what path someone should pursue who wants to help with life extension/reversal of aging sort of research? But if you're going to say that this isn't possible then don't say anything at all because your 'opinions' don't mean anything.
  • Re: Reversal of aging and revival from death research
     Reply #29 - January 06, 2010, 01:50 AM

    Dude, you cant use cloning to create a human without certain organs, or use it just to create certain organs, cloning has nothing to do with stem cell research, what you are coming up with is just whack job nonsense.  

    Cloning produces full babies with all organs and a human body, which would age probably around 3-5 times faster than a normal human due to using adult chromosomes that have already aged well past childhood.

    I do not consider having my brain placed in a body that will become the equivalent of 80 by 20 years of a good thing.

    This stuff is far too complex for you to understand without first doing a degree in genetics, much of what you are typing is completely no different to the BS that a religious person would say about the things that they believe.

    I do not care in the slightest about any false beliefs, anything unproven, or based on your kind of science fiction ideas. I didnt give up believing in religion to follow science like some kind of alternative religion as you are doing right now.  

    Research into the area being banned is not limiting anything about creating new organs. Cloning only creates disadvantaged handicapped humans. That is it. You cannot create clones of individual organs, that is not possible at all.

    Please stop putting stem cell research, cloning, and genetic engineering all together in one confused jumble, they are all completely seperate areas which you do not understand very well. Maybe go and study a Genetics degree, trying to understand PHD level science from the internet without having studied it beforehand is a ridiculous thing to do.  

    And please stop coming up with 'what ifs'. If something in science is still a 'what if' theory, that does not mean that babies can be sacrificed to test it.

    You could also kill babies, stick them through a grinder, place the remains in a can and sell canned babies as food in starving countries. This would reduce both overcrowding and help keep people alive by feeding them. This would provide exactly the same amount of benefit to the human race as your ideas suggest, that doesnt make it ok to do.

    And why did you even go from impossible ideas such as making old people young again and raising dead people, to killing babies to help the world? What is wrong with you? Even I'm not that crazy.

    The earth is overcrowded enough. We do not need to ever extend how long we live for, raise dead, or kill babies in the name of science.
    I think you are upset about the idea of dying. You fear death now that you think there is no afterlife, and you are trying to turn to science as a means to believe you can prolong your own life or be resurrected after you die.

    Science is not witchcraft, voodoo magic, or a role playing video game. It doesnt have healing, necromancy or raise dead spells to accomplish what you are asking.

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