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  • Punishment in the grave
     OP - January 06, 2010, 05:49 PM
    My auntie wanted me to take a look at this.  She is trying shock tactics to get me back into islam, so she directed me to a site showing me the body of man in Oman who was dug up 3 days after his death.  According to those muslims propogating this myth he was tortured by Allah for questioning Islam.

    Anyone know if this has been debunked or falsified yet?

    http://mba-alefyah.blogspot.com/2007/09/punishment-of-grave.html
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #1 - January 06, 2010, 05:52 PM
    Why are Musulmans digging dead people up  Huh? Huh?
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #2 - January 06, 2010, 05:59 PM
    Isn't that just the natural course of decomposure?
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #3 - January 06, 2010, 06:10 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on January 06, 2010, 05:52 PM
    Why are Musulmans digging dead people up  Huh? Huh?

    Read the link to see why it was dug up
    Quote from: BerberElla on January 06, 2010, 05:59 PM
    Isn't that just the natural course of decomposure?

    Not in 3 days..
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #4 - January 06, 2010, 06:22 PM
    Looks fake to me.  And when did Omanis have such pale hair or did he just happen to be an albino?
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #5 - January 06, 2010, 06:42 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 06, 2010, 06:10 PM
    Not in 3 days..


    Doesn't burial method, heat and many other factors speed up or slow down the process?
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #6 - January 06, 2010, 06:46 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 06, 2010, 05:49 PM
    My auntie wanted me to take a look at this.  She is trying shock tactics to get me back into islam, so she directed me to a site showing me the body of man in Oman who was dug up 3 days after his death.  According to those muslims propogating this myth he was tortured by Allah for questioning Islam.

    Anyone know if this has been debunked or falsified yet?

    http://mba-alefyah.blogspot.com/2007/09/punishment-of-grave.html


    Hearsay. Unverifiable, fear mongering, as usual with Abrahamics. Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #7 - January 06, 2010, 06:47 PM
    OK, I think I have seen this already on documenting-reality
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #8 - January 06, 2010, 07:17 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on January 06, 2010, 06:42 PM
    Doesn't burial method, heat and many other factors speed up or slow down the process?

    yep, but I am not sure if it would make you look like that (radioactive green with white hair).

    I think its a popularly known phenomoenon amongst Islamic circles, and has already done the rounds on Al-jazeerah and the Islamic networks..
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #9 - January 06, 2010, 07:22 PM
    Who is to say that he was dug up?  Perhaps he was left in the morgue...
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #10 - January 06, 2010, 07:37 PM
    Can't one prove 'Punishment in the grave', by finding snakes there, and the things mentioned in Hadith about such "punishment"? According to Hadith narrations, snakes will attack the body. So if a body was to be dug up, and snakes to be found there, which won't there already, does that prove anything? Or what about the body of Prophets/Martyrs, which apparentely doesn't decompose? The Saudi's can prove to us this miracle, by digging up the Prophet's body, and showing us he hasn't rotted, 1400 years on.
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #11 - January 06, 2010, 08:28 PM

    Dude, that is so fucked up on so many levels.

    Not least of all, that necrophiliac sadism is meant to be a guiding reason for not denying Allah.

    This just makes Allah seem like a horrific, torturing serial killer necrophiliac - he is utterly evil, almost beyond comprehension, if you accept this narrative.

    But people like your aunt, and commenters on that thread, are in thrall to him.

    It almost leaves you speechless. This is severely disturbing. If anyone sent you an e-mail like that you would have cause of forwarding it all to the police and mental health services.

    They make Islam seem like a true horror movie, a snuff movie.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #12 - January 06, 2010, 08:39 PM
    The worst thing is that my aunt (she is a doctor btw) gave the URL to my brother, and asked him to get me to watch it without revealing her as the source. 

    Sneaky, and of course my brother told me straight away.
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #13 - January 06, 2010, 08:53 PM
    Your aunt is a doctor? And she's sending you stuff like that?

    Don't Muslims ever look at things like this, and put two and two together, and work out that Allah as conceived of in that narrative, is a truly horrific, almost beyond comprehension psychopath?

    The fear he puts in his momins is incredible. He resides in a serial-killer torture chamber like in those horror movies, dripping wet and dark and squalid. It is almost incomprehensible.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #14 - January 06, 2010, 09:09 PM
    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the punishment in the hereafter meant to be on your soul? Bodies being cremataed are just as subject to punishment as those that are buried....
  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #15 - January 06, 2010, 09:20 PM
    According to what I understood about this topic, the soul enters the body during the day of judgement i.e the body is brought back to life. So the punishment will be on the body.
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #16 - January 06, 2010, 09:44 PM
    Quote from: billy on January 06, 2010, 08:53 PM
    Your aunt is a doctor? And she's sending you stuff like that?

    Don't Muslims ever look at things like this, and put two and two together, and work out that Allah as conceived of in that narrative, is a truly horrific, almost beyond comprehension psychopath?

    Forget about her as a doctor, you also have to ask yourself why Tony Blair our ex-primeminister with a bachelors from Oxford believes in the same psychopath?
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #17 - January 06, 2010, 11:34 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 06, 2010, 05:49 PM
    http://mba-alefyah.blogspot.com/2007/09/punishment-of-grave.html

    Hey I know that guy! He didn't believe in Scientology - and was punished for it...
  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #18 - January 06, 2010, 11:46 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 06, 2010, 09:44 PM
    Forget about her as a doctor, you also have to ask yourself why Tony Blair our ex-primeminister with a bachelors from Oxford believes in the same psychopath?


    You can never take what a politician says at face value, can you?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #19 - January 07, 2010, 12:23 AM
    I think in Tony Blairs case you can.  He was a well known Christian before being a prime minisiter, during and even now post-apocolyptically, he converted from being a protestant to catholocism.
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #20 - January 08, 2010, 04:14 AM
    Sure the aunt could be a doctor, she does not even have to believe this video is true, she just has to hope you will believe it is true and return to the "True Path (tm)"
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #21 - January 08, 2010, 05:00 AM
    Firstly, there is no evidence this body was dug up three days after death. Not only that, bodies of dead non-Muslims have been dug up as early as three days before (some on the same day) and no such 'punishment' or deformation of the body has ever been mentioned to my knowledge.

    Secondly, after reading a bit about human decomposition after death, judging from the pics, it's pretty clear the body is in Putrefaction stage where

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    Odor, color changes, and bloating of the body during decomposition are the results of putrefaction. The lower part of the abdomen turns green due to bacteria activity in the cecum. Bacteria break down hemoglobin into sulfhemoglobin, which causes the green color. A formation of gases enters the abdomen which forces liquids and feces out of the body. The gases also enter the neck and face, causing swelling of the mouth, lips, and tongue. Due to this swelling and misconfiguration of the face, identification of the body can be difficult.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decomposition

    I mean no disrespect there Islame, but do your aunt not know this being a doctor?
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #22 - January 08, 2010, 01:39 PM
    Quote from: Baal on January 08, 2010, 04:14 AM
    Sure the aunt could be a doctor, she does not even have to believe this video is true, she just has to hope you will believe it is true and return to the "True Path (tm)"


    Yeah, I did mean it more like that. I guess I was naive. I just think instinctively that doctors have a certain level of sense and decency, its just the way I was brought up, to assume they are extra special clever and liberal - a silly notion if you think about it, really.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #23 - January 08, 2010, 01:41 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on January 08, 2010, 05:00 AM
    I mean no disrespect there Islame, but do your aunt not know this being a doctor?


    Like Baal said, she doesn't have to believe it to use it as a blunt instrument to frighten and try to torment IsLame with.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #24 - January 08, 2010, 02:13 PM
    No, she believes it - you guys really need to come to terms with educated people foregoing science when it contradicts religion!  POwerful politicians (e.g. Tony Blair), esteemed scientists, philosophers, historians all fall for it, forget about my educated Aunty.
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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #25 - January 08, 2010, 02:27 PM

    Yeah I guess you're right IsLame. But this specific thing, is particularly ghoulish, horrific, necrophiliac and dark. I guess I assumed that a doctor is supposed to at least have a bit of compassion, is all. I'm sure she does in real life, but Islam is her blind spot, and it just shows how badly religion and Islam in this case can warp and mangle a good person and their mind.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #26 - January 08, 2010, 03:03 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 08, 2010, 02:13 PM
    No, she believes it - you guys really need to come to terms with educated people foregoing science when it contradicts religion!  POwerful politicians (e.g. Tony Blair), esteemed scientists, philosophers, historians all fall for it, forget about my educated Aunty.


    True, Dawkins had a term for this in the God delusion.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #27 - January 08, 2010, 03:09 PM
    Some of the most brilliant and well educated people I know believe in the dumbest shit you could imagine. Do not underestimate the power of the partitioning of the mind, in the day you're a research scientist doing your PhD in nanotechnology, and by night you're a crazy musulman trying to cast jinns out of your cat. I'm serious, this is an actual person I know.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Punishment in the grave
     Reply #28 - January 08, 2010, 03:24 PM
    Exactly, in some cases they can be more prone to it.  They are very good at obeying set rules, the rules of Islam, the rules of the workplace, the rules at university.

    They dont see consistency as a virtue, they see it as different sets of skills apply to different circumstances if you want to get the most out of life,
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