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 Topic: Scorcese n stuff

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  • Scorcese n stuff
     OP - January 11, 2010, 02:40 PM

    You're too smart for me Billy  Cheesy I was just thinking how cool it would be to remake Taxi Driver (or be inspired by it rather). The problem is I have a hard time sympathising with that son of a bitch, how the hell do you make him a human being worthy of our empathy? Travis wanted to change the world, but was not able to. But in the end he made a change. A positive one for the girl. At a great cost. Actually hold up, has she even seen Taxi Driver? It's not even the same thing. This asshole is nothing like Travis.


    Someone will make a movie sometime along those lines, about the psychology of the Abdulmuttalab's of this world. I guess the aspect of Travis Bickle she identifies is his visceral disgust for the sleazy and sordid side of urban life, and his inability to form relationships with anyone, including romantic interests.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #1 - January 11, 2010, 02:46 PM

    @Billy
    Yeah OK I see what she meant. Which is true, but I also found Travis to be sympathetic in his own neurotic way. And yes we need to make a movie regarding this mentality but not in a apologetic manner nor in a demonizing manner. I just find the balance hard; it?s like humanizing a serial killer. Maybe I?m being too harsh, but once you OK the killing of innocent people, civilians, in your mind then you?ve pretty much lost your humanity in my book. Maybe the point is not even to take sides but to accurately portray the psychology of such a person.
  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #2 - January 11, 2010, 02:51 PM

    I agree with you BlackDog - Taxi Driver is so disturbing and powerful because we are mesmerised by De Niro as he depicts Bickle's slide into madness and violence. We even begin to see the world through his eyes and feel his disgust for what he sees. That is what makes Scorcese such an uncompromising and important director in this film.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #3 - January 11, 2010, 02:56 PM

    My problem with Scorsese is that because of his cinematic genius he romanticized gangsters. He keeps a fine line though; there is still a slight amount of repulsion when you watch Joe Pesci?s character in Goodfellas. My favourite characterisation of criminals is found in Sopranos and in the Wire. You are not meant to like them, you go through a period where you think they are charming and funny, almost endearing at times and then they go bonkers and you hate them for their crudeness and their oppressive manners.
  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #4 - January 11, 2010, 02:59 PM


    I agree with you about that. I give Scorcese the benefit of the doubt though as well. In Goodfellas we are drawn into their world, the glamour and thrill and danger of it all - but ultimately it is depicted as cruel, self destructive, nasty, futile, wicked.

    Sopranos is a masterpiece  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #5 - January 11, 2010, 03:11 PM

    Imagine a HBO TV-series depicting life in an Al Qaida training camp.

    There is a lot of dramatic material in the Muslim world.

    Imagine the horror movies you can make, Jinns and Black Magic. But it wouldn?t surprise me, if it was called a haram movie and people started believing in it.

    Speaking of movies, it is a great irony of life, a sad one albeit, that the man who directed The Message, a dawa movie if ever, died at the hands of terrorists, died along with the kuffars. 
  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #6 - January 11, 2010, 03:20 PM


    Yeah, he was killed in an Al Qaeda bombing in Jordan.

    I think British TV has done some drama series about Muslims getting radicalised, and there is a comedy set in an al Qaeda cell coming out this year directed by Chris Morris, a famous comedian in the UK.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #7 - January 11, 2010, 09:33 PM

    My problem with Scorsese is that because of his cinematic genius he romanticized gangsters. He keeps a fine line though; there is still a slight amount of repulsion when you watch Joe Pesci?s character in Goodfellas. My favourite characterisation of criminals is found in Sopranos and in the Wire. You are not meant to like them, you go through a period where you think they are charming and funny, almost endearing at times and then they go bonkers and you hate them for their crudeness and their oppressive manners.


    For me no one does mafia roles better then Al Pacino. 


    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #8 - January 11, 2010, 09:35 PM

    Al Pacino is a God amongst men. He can overact sometimes, but even that is done in an entertaining manner.
  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #9 - January 11, 2010, 09:37 PM

    Heat is the best movie ever made.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #10 - January 11, 2010, 09:41 PM

    Are we talking about Scorcese or Yasmin Alibi-Brown here?  Cheesy

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #11 - January 11, 2010, 09:51 PM

    lol billy started it!! anyways how come there are so few female leads that kick ass? uma thurman springs to mind, kill bill, man i feel in love with her like a thousand times during those two films, and sigourney weaver in the aliens films
  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #12 - January 11, 2010, 09:52 PM

    anyways how come there are so few female leads that kick ass?


    I sense an excellent Ask-Allah Q&A...

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #13 - January 11, 2010, 09:58 PM

    K I have a plan plan Yasmin is boring anyway. How about I just move this to the Lounge and we can keep crapping on about Scorcese and Co.? bunny

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #14 - January 11, 2010, 10:17 PM

    I sense an excellent Ask-Allah Q&A...


    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8169.msg205342#msg205342
  • Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #15 - January 11, 2010, 10:22 PM

    Ok I'm stumped. WTF does that have to do with Yasmin or Scorcese or anything else in this thread?  Huh?

    I'm gonna split this bugger. Hang on. Tongue

    And no I'm not cleaning up after you all the time. Post in the right thread goddammit. Tongue

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #16 - January 11, 2010, 10:37 PM

    Cheers Osmanthus, sorry for allowing it to drift off topic so much.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #17 - January 11, 2010, 10:40 PM

    Billy

    Who's your favorite female protagonist in an action/crime movie?
  • Re: Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #18 - January 11, 2010, 10:50 PM


    Lady Whirlwind

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJm4MRVdB2U


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #19 - January 12, 2010, 09:02 AM

    Someone will make a movie sometime along those lines, about the psychology of the Abdulmuttalab's of this world. I guess the aspect of Travis Bickle she identifies is his visceral disgust for the sleazy and sordid side of urban life, and his inability to form relationships with anyone, including romantic interests.


    Travis Bickle was my hero when I was a teenager.

    I agree with you BlackDog - Taxi Driver is so disturbing and powerful because we are mesmerised by De Niro as he depicts Bickle's slide into madness and violence. We even begin to see the world through his eyes and feel his disgust for what he sees. That is what makes Scorcese such an uncompromising and important director in this film.



    Ah, but Scorcese did compromise! Schraeder's original script made it much clearer that Bickle was a racist-- Scorcese had the pimp/brothel characters changed to White men to tone that down. Luckily Harvey Keitel did such an awesome job in the role that it ended up not being a negative.

    Speaking of Scorcese and Taxi Driver, his cameo in that was awesome!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfh92hKLO6c

    Oh, wait, that wasn't it-- here it is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tiHTm6nBUw

    My problem with Scorsese is that because of his cinematic genius he romanticized gangsters. He keeps a fine line though; there is still a slight amount of repulsion when you watch Joe Pesci?s character in Goodfellas.


    Very difficult to make a movie focusing on a particular subject without glamorizing that subject, especially if the movie plays on masculine archetypes. Even war movies that clearly have an anti-war message like "Platoon" or "Full Metal Jacket" have the unintended consequence of glamorizing war, and gangster flicks are much the same way.

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    My favourite characterisation of criminals is found in Sopranos and in the Wire. You are not meant to like them, you go through a period where you think they are charming and funny, almost endearing at times and then they go bonkers and you hate them for their crudeness and their oppressive manners.


    I think that's much more intentional in The Sopranos than The Wire. While The Wire's characters are well-developed, complex, and larger than life as is the tendency in works of fiction (e.g. Omar Little the gay superhero), they are also more straightforward and honest than in The Sopranos, in my opinion, and I think there's a bit less conscious manipulation of the viewer by how the characters are written.

    I always tell people that if they want a movie that really tells it how it is about gang life to pick up "Monument Ave". That's pretty particular to Boston, but trust me, the movie fuckin nails it. Probably the least glamorous crime movie I ever seen.


    fuck you
  • Re: Scorcese n stuff
     Reply #20 - January 12, 2010, 10:09 AM

    Cheers I'll check Monument Ave out.
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