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  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #30 - January 19, 2010, 08:11 PM

    Ibn Khaldun still falls under the medieval period. I'm talking about modern post-medieval history. Muslims have contributed nothing since that period. Ibn Khaldun I forgot to consider since he's a bit of a brilliant stragler and one of the last genuine Muslim scientists and philsophers before a complete halt to any Muslim contribution to the sciences. But he's pretty much the last.

    Give me a fucking break. Stop believing in the ideology of an desert pedophile and then you can speak on nonsense. Until then, hush.

    You know nothing about me or my knowledge about Islamic history. So speak for yourself Muslim.


    Well you were off by 200 years Mr. Islamic Historian, in my Madrassah (where we only learn Koran) that sa bit of a mistake for someone who considers himself knowledgeable on Islamic history. So you're right, I know that I know nothing except that you dont know much about Islamic history.

    "There were some significant Muslim scientists and thinkers up till the 1220s. But any sort of worthwhile contribution dries up after that."

    For your information, Ibn Khaldun died in the early 1400's.

    After that of course, all we have are internet beheadings...

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #31 - January 19, 2010, 08:19 PM

    you're the one who thinks an arabian pedophile is a guide for all men, not me Grin.


    There's something predictable, the old "yeah? well you're a pedophile worshipper, so there!"


    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #32 - January 19, 2010, 08:20 PM

    Pretty much.


    Yeah I know thats your brilliant, informed argument.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #33 - January 19, 2010, 08:28 PM

    You are the one who states the islamic accomplishments of entire continents is reduced to al-qaeda.


    Yes, me AND some guy named Iblis and here's what HE wrote:

    "My point is that 200 years from now when historians look back to this period, that simple beheading ritual is pretty much going to symbolize and summarize the Muslim contribution to modern human civilization."


    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #34 - January 19, 2010, 08:30 PM

    Stop believing in the ideology of an desert pedophile and then you can speak on nonsense. Until then, hush.


    "Yeah?  welll you're a pedophile worshipper, so there!" N.2

    Im starting to think thats your best argument.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #35 - January 19, 2010, 08:40 PM

    Pretty much.


    What about a guy like Muhammad Yunus?

    Wait, I know, he was acting AGAINST islam.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #36 - January 19, 2010, 08:42 PM

    AW don't you think you are overreacting a little? I am fairly confident that Ibises comment was sort of tongue-in-cheek thing; I certainly took it only half seriously. I mean two days ago he was accused of being an apologist for Islam and a rabid (Bengali?) nationalist and today you already promoted him to a Nazi supremacist. On average that makes him a die hard liberal I guess.

    Btw you are not running for a Drama Queen of the month award are you?



  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #37 - January 19, 2010, 08:55 PM

    I dont think Iblis is a bad guy or a Nazi, if I believed that Id be calling him all kinds of names for insulting me.

    What worries me is that this kind of view of history is now being taken for granted by the general public, especially in some parts of North America. The work done by FFI and Jwatch is bearing fruit, so much so that even ex-muslims such as IBlis are revisionists when it comes to their own histories. Everything starts to be reduced to jihad, rape and pedophilia, as we see from the likes of Rashna and some others.

    The problem is that these kinds of generalisations about entire groups are slowly being accepted whereas no one would dare do the same with any other group.

    Baal in 3,2,1...


    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #38 - January 19, 2010, 09:39 PM

    Baal in 3,2,1...

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  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #39 - January 19, 2010, 10:42 PM

    What worries me is that this kind of view of history is now being taken for granted by the general public, especially in some parts of North America. The work done by FFI and Jwatch is bearing fruit, so much so that even ex-muslims such as IBlis are revisionists when it comes to their own histories. Everything starts to be reduced to jihad, rape and pedophilia, as we see from the likes of Rashna and some others.

    The problem is that these kinds of generalisations about entire groups are slowly being accepted whereas no one would dare do the same with any other group.


    Is it Iblis's history? He has rejected Islam, and speaks accordingly. James Joyce said of Stephen Dedalus that 'History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awaken' - do you understand how liberating it can be to stand outside the history that is imposed on you, and not to have to hold your tongue, or question, or accept all the the things associated with it. That is real freedom.

    I'd say that many of the historical correctives about the contributions to science and culture of various 'Islamic civilisation' are made to counter the alternative narrative that is often propounded by people who want to depict Islam and non Islamic cultures, eras, epochs, histories in certain ways. There has been a whitewash of Islamic history to a startling degree - understandable from an Islamic point of view (after all, Islamic culture is not mature enough to air its dirty laundry in public, unlike Europe and America, or maybe, is totally unwilling to examine its own dark side not because of immaturity but because it does not want to disturb its own rather idealised and false self-image), but politically correct people in the West often white wash Islamic history too - out of a misguided solidarity with the Islamic world and Islamic minorities living in Europe and north America, out of the opposite of 'orientalism', a kind of fetishising of Islam. And I think that it is vitally important to counter this narrative, and do so for the sake of Muslims too, because a truthful examination of their history will enable them to see how they got to be where they are today, and cease the victimhood culture that history has become a fuel vessel for.

    As for the vehemence of Iblis's words about Islam's contribution to the universal culture of humanity over the last few hundred years - if you can't detect the pain and anger and impatience in Iblis's words, I think you missed where they partly come from. He is no reductive bigot.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #40 - January 19, 2010, 11:06 PM

    There's something predictable, the old "yeah? well you're a pedophile worshipper, so there!"


    Well he did have sex with a 9 year old girl didn't he?  That is a criminal offense in our world and and a very big taboo.  It shoots down the myth that he was the prophet for all times and for all peoples

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #41 - January 19, 2010, 11:08 PM

    What worries me is that this kind of view of history is now being taken for granted by the general public, especially in some parts of North America. The work done by FFI and Jwatch is bearing fruit, so much so that even ex-muslims such as IBlis are revisionists when it comes to their own histories. Everything starts to be reduced to jihad, rape and pedophilia, as we see from the likes of Rashna and some others.



    Iblis is Bengali, there is more to Bengali history then just Islam, Bengali history probably predates Islam by a very long time.  There are also significant non Muslim elements in his society as well, if I recall well.  When you talk about his history, address it as Bengali history rather then Islamic history.  His history is not that of the Moors or the Arabs

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #42 - January 20, 2010, 01:10 AM

    Although I'm tempted to join in the gang-bang on A-W, I just wanted to say that I hope he posts here more. We could use some more dissenters, and A-W is a smart cat, plus I like his style.

    fuck you
  • Re: American soldiers assimilate into Muslamic civilization...
     Reply #43 - January 20, 2010, 08:57 AM

    Yes, me AND some guy named Iblis and here's what HE wrote:

    "My point is that 200 years from now when historians look back to this period, that simple beheading ritual is pretty much going to symbolize and summarize the Muslim contribution to modern human civilization."

    That was exactly the comment I had in mind when I wrote what I wrote against you: That you insult islam the most in this thread (and generally any thread you touch). Iblis' comment is about some fictitious historian, 200yrs from now. Your comment is about the nitty-gritty of today's islam.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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