Islame, I don't think the theory of evolution is in the same league as the general theory of relativity (gravity) or special relativity or indeed any other widlely accepted theory of physics (quantum mechanincs etc.). In fact I find it cringeworthy that you make a comparison between them - accepted theories of physics such as the ones you mention have been proven to extraordinary mathematical precision and have made specific predictions that have been proven correct. In my opinion evolution hasn't done a fraction of the things these other theories have.
Its taught in primary in schools across the globe, at least where there is no serious religious cleric presence. And yes, its as widely accepted at the other theories in all but theistic circles and a few wackjobs.
As far as I know it has also made specific predictions. Like I said, what more possible evidence could you reasonably expect to be provided? Its a question you avoided, but I think its pertinent here, as it will show how , objective your conclusion was.
It would be good if you could explain to me why you find the e.coli bacteria experiment so impressive and why you think it proves evolution is correct.
well it proves that dna changes happen in a closed environment.
it proves that these changes happen at random times.
it shows that these changes are random.
It shows that these changes in the long term happen for the benefit of the survival of the organism.
it shows that these changes can happen to basic organisms.
in fact it goes along with everything the theory of evolution has ever supported. the only possible retort I can see is that allah intervened in the ecoli experiment
I of course have stated already quite a few times that I am fully open to the fact that we might one day get more convincing evidence for evolution, but until then don't I have the right to reserve judgement? As a non-theist I understand why you must be in such strong favour of the theory because it's the only theory you have that partly explains life (i.e. what happened after life appeared on earth).
Not really, I would accept a theistic explanation if it made more sense to me. But this one make perfect sense, particularly as I can see Alah getting involved with every creature's, insect & cells developmental agenda
However as a theist I have the luxury of being critical of the theory. I am simply excercising that luxury.
You could be critical of this theory even as a non theist - its not a luxury, its a right
I know a lot of you will not beleive me - but even if i was not a Muslim, i would still have strong reservations about the theory as a scientist
Hmmm.. If you have not accepted things with similar evidence, then you must be a highly sceptical individual. Its accepted by the prominent scientists in the world, I wonder what extra evidence you have to contradict their claims
Even Debunker who still accepts the hadith, is not willing to stick his head out against evolution
anything with far less - for me there is a heck a lot of things that are unexplained and a lot of things that just
don't make a lot of sense. I discussed this partly on my introductory thread and a lot of other people have discussed these issues on
Same here, and religion is one of them. Tarot cards & horoscopes are another.
other evolution debate websites - so i don't feel it's necessary to get into that debate here (just visit those websites if you're interested).
nice try
But I would really like to debate this with this thorny issue with you, not a website.
Regarding your first question - I have faith in the one true creator. My senses tell me that one God created the Universe and everything in it, and that this God is the one described in the Quran. I have faith in this but can not prove it. i really don't know what else you want me to say.
Fair enough, you're going with you senses. I made the fact that these same senses make people capable of believing in all sorts of things, such as mirages in the desert, so its not a reliable way of getting at the truth. And you didnt challenge my statement
Please feel free to answer this post at your leisure at the weekend if you like..
Topic: Stories of the Qur'an - Solomon