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  • Baiting muslims
     OP - January 19, 2010, 08:26 AM
    As much as it should be resisted, some times I succumb to the temptation of watching muslims squirm around trying to justify their dogma and superstition.  whistling2

    Who here also finds this hard to resist? Please feel free to add any favourite stories...
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #1 - January 19, 2010, 08:59 AM
    A fun thing to do is to show them some of the contradictions in quran like this one:
    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/contra/angels.html

    And watch them try to justify it. They make one or two futile attempts but always stop replying, i guess it must be difficult for them to suddenly be proven that their book is false.
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #2 - January 19, 2010, 10:05 AM
    I remember debating with a Muslim once who claimed that Music wasn't haraam - out I trotted evidence from the four madhabs all he could say was "well! I don't follow that!". Umm, wouldn't make you a non-orthodox Muslim (which is what I said regarding his position on music).
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #3 - January 19, 2010, 11:52 AM
    I cant help winding my mum about it.. her reactions are just priceless
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  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #4 - January 19, 2010, 12:28 PM
    I was shocked first time I heard music was haram, like are you serious? MUSIC? Who can live without music?
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #5 - January 19, 2010, 12:33 PM
    Not half as shocked as I was when I was told jeans were haram.  In the next breath this guy told me that TV was haram.  YOu can imagine how I felt, I was only a kid..
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  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #6 - January 19, 2010, 12:35 PM
    My parents never let me keep a puppy because dogs are haram and angels don't visit your house if you have a dog  Cry
    If you're so devout, how come I am not dead?
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #7 - January 19, 2010, 12:44 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 19, 2010, 12:33 PM
    Not half as shocked as I was when I was told jeans were haram.  In the next breath this guy told me that TV was haram.  YOu can imagine how I felt, I was only a kid..


    Why the fuck are jeans haram? :S
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #8 - January 19, 2010, 12:56 PM
    dunno, perhaps they show the shape of your figure?  we need askallah.com to clarify
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  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #9 - January 19, 2010, 12:59 PM
    LOL!
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #10 - January 19, 2010, 01:32 PM

    Its like taking candy from a baby though, its just too easy.

    If I do it I prefer to do it to really loathsome bigots, supremacists, and right wing Mawdudi worshipping, Ummah politics type. Normal easy going Muslims, you know, are alright, what's the point in doing that to them. I might tease them, but not in the way I like to bait the fanatics.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #11 - January 19, 2010, 03:16 PM
    OMFG, I love trolling Muslims. Every bengali dinner party I go to, wowzers, I am just such a shameless troll. Like I will never give myself away completely. I will actually join in some of their more political/religious convos and actually add more extremism to the talks. One of my favorites is to mention last-days talk, like tell them how the Zionists are allied with the Dajjal and throw in bits about freemasons and illuminati. At that point in Jew-baiting you can always count on one person to take the ball and really push it and usually the conversation ends with all the musulmans agreeing that "hitler was just tryings to set things right".  Cheesy
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #12 - January 19, 2010, 03:24 PM
    lol christ  Cheesy
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #13 - January 19, 2010, 03:26 PM
    Iblis, please take an undercover spy camera next time you go to one of those dinner parties  Grin
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #14 - January 19, 2010, 04:24 PM
    Yeah, I actually shoulda brought a recorded or something. It can be quite funny. Too bad I've moved out permanently now and am rarely back in Calgary and have little or not contact with the Muslim community nowadays. They did make for great entertainment.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #15 - January 20, 2010, 03:34 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on January 19, 2010, 12:28 PM
    I was shocked first time I heard music was haram, like are you serious? MUSIC? Who can live without music?


    Yeap, and the worse part are those who try to argue their way out of it whilst maintaining they're an orthodox Muslim at the same time. Hell, if I were a Muslim I'd most likely be a Mu'tazili which would put me so far out of the mainstream it wouldn't be funny.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #16 - January 20, 2010, 06:37 AM
    I was shocked when I watched part of the ISNA convention from last year.  They had some musical performances.  Some rappers and another guy singer and Yusuf Islam showed a video of him singing. 

    In every lecture I've listened to I've heard music=haram. 
    You do not need the Bible to justify love, but no better tool has been invented to justify hate. Richard A. Weatherwax

    Remember, Jesus would rather constantly shame gays than let orphans have a family.  Steven Colbert
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #17 - January 20, 2010, 08:24 AM
    You can't fight modernity.
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #18 - January 20, 2010, 09:54 AM
    Quote from: Iblis on January 19, 2010, 03:16 PM
    OMFG, I love trolling Muslims. Every bengali dinner party I go to, wowzers, I am just such a shameless troll. Like I will never give myself away completely. I will actually join in some of their more political/religious convos and actually add more extremism to the talks. One of my favorites is to mention last-days talk, like tell them how the Zionists are allied with the Dajjal and throw in bits about freemasons and illuminati. At that point in Jew-baiting you can always count on one person to take the ball and really push it and usually the conversation ends with all the musulmans agreeing that "hitler was just tryings to set things right".  Cheesy


    lol

    Awesome shit Smiley

    Jeans
    Quote from: BlackDog on January 19, 2010, 12:44 PM
    Why the fuck are jeans haram? :S


    Showing the private area and imitating the kufar.  I knew people who thought spoons were haram!!!!

    I find Muslims defending Islam can be very funny:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF9OWB70mv8

    Baiting people and trying to get people to watch or read something so they might learn something is probably much of the same thing.
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #19 - January 20, 2010, 09:59 AM
    lol the ribs part, that should be enough to discredit the quran, verbal gymnastics, they try to change science to fit in with quran.
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #20 - January 20, 2010, 10:07 AM
    lol

    I know I should expect it but really, how the fuck do you change the meaning of a word like 'between'?

    In the space separating two things becomes 'bellow the mid point between'!!

    I actually debated this with someone who left a comment on a video of mine.  He managed to answer a few times.  Then he said he would make a video to explain what he meant by 'between'!

     parrot parrot parrot
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #21 - January 20, 2010, 10:12 AM
    This will save him time, OED says:

    between

      ? preposition & adverb 1 at, into, or across the space separating (two objects, places, or points). 2 in the period separating (two points in time).

      ? preposition 1 indicating a connection or relationship involving (two or more parties). 2 by combining the resources or actions of (two or more parties).

      ? PHRASES between ourselves (or you and me) in confidence.

      ? USAGE A preposition such as between takes the object case and is correctly followed by object pronouns such as me rather than subject pronouns such as I. It is therefore correct to say between you and me rather than between you and I.

      ? ORIGIN Old English, related to TWO.
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #22 - January 20, 2010, 10:14 AM
    Quote from: kaiwai on January 19, 2010, 10:05 AM
    I remember debating with a Muslim once who claimed that Music wasn't haraam - out I trotted evidence from the four madhabs all he could say was "well! I don't follow that!". Umm, wouldn't make you a non-orthodox Muslim (which is what I said regarding his position on music).


    Is there a link where I can get the position of all four madhabs on music in one place? I know a few Muslims who use the "there's hardly a scholarly consensus on the matter" excuse to justify listening to music so it would come in handy.

    Quote from: Iblis on January 19, 2010, 03:16 PM
    OMFG, I love trolling Muslims. Every bengali dinner party I go to, wowzers, I am just such a shameless troll. Like I will never give myself away completely. I will actually join in some of their more political/religious convos and actually add more extremism to the talks. One of my favorites is to mention last-days talk, like tell them how the Zionists are allied with the Dajjal and throw in bits about freemasons and illuminati. At that point in Jew-baiting you can always count on one person to take the ball and really push it and usually the conversation ends with all the musulmans agreeing that "hitler was just tryings to set things right".  Cheesy


    *shivers* Pretty much why I avoid Muslim gatherings altogether if I can help it
    I am a pagan worshiper of love: the creed of Muslims I do not need

    - Amir Khusro
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #23 - January 20, 2010, 10:28 AM
    lol at regular Jewish joes conspiring to rule the world  Cheesy

    as if they dont have bills to pay or nagging kids that dont want to go to school, in between the hurdles and struggles we all face they somehow manage to dedicate time for their enslavment of the goyim  Cheesy

    lol at inglorious bastards being jewish propaganda


    i think MO was right, too much laughter does deaden the heart, especially when its laughter of this kind, this is the bad kind of laughter, not the good kind *face palm*
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #24 - January 20, 2010, 04:19 PM
    Quote from: cwar068
      I knew people who thought spoons were haram!!!!


    FFS.... the stupid, it burns.  Shocked banghead
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #25 - January 20, 2010, 05:12 PM
     Cheesy
  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #26 - January 20, 2010, 05:30 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on January 19, 2010, 03:16 PM
    OMFG, I love trolling Muslims. Every bengali dinner party I go to, wowzers, I am just such a shameless troll. Like I will never give myself away completely. I will actually join in some of their more political/religious convos and actually add more extremism to the talks. One of my favorites is to mention last-days talk, like tell them how the Zionists are allied with the Dajjal and throw in bits about freemasons and illuminati. At that point in Jew-baiting you can always count on one person to take the ball and really push it and usually the conversation ends with all the musulmans agreeing that "hitler was just tryings to set things right".  Cheesy


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  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #27 - January 21, 2010, 12:56 AM
    Quote from: Farhad on January 20, 2010, 10:14 AM
    Is there a link where I can get the position of all four madhabs on music in one place? I know a few Muslims who use the "there's hardly a scholarly consensus on the matter" excuse to justify listening to music so it would come in handy.


    According to this:

    http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?12110-ANSWERED-Music-Madhabs

    Quote
    Every single madhab (of the four) says music is haram in it's mashhur. Shafi`is allow drums as well as the daff. Hanafis and Malikis say the daff is allowed but only in weddings while other Hanafi and Maliki opinions say the daff is allowed always and other Maliki opinions allowing drums and "banging instruments. There is also a Shafi`i opinion that allows the flute (which is used by the Ba`Alawi Sayyids of Ahlul Bayt in Yemen).

    There were disagreements in minority views by Qadi Abu Bakr ibn `Arabi (Malikis), Shaykh `Abdal Ghani al-Nablusi (Hanafis), Muhammad ibn Mayyarah' narrating some things in Darr al-Thamin fi Sharh al-Murshid al-Mu`in (Malikis), some disagreements by Imam al-Ghazali (Shafi`i), and for example the Sahaba `Abdullah ibn Ja`far.

    Thus we cannot condemn those who listen to music because there is a valid position that it is allowed - yet the mashhur in all 4 madhabs is to not listen to music.


    Considering that part of orthodoxy when you're a Muslims is to follow a Madhab, it goes without saying that these are binding. Most people don't actively choose it - they're pretty much slotted into what ever one is prevalent in their culture - most Muslims in the UK I assume would be Hanafi.

    Then there is Imam Al-Ghazali position if you want to read up on it:

    http://www.ghazali.org/articles/gz-music.pdf
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  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #28 - January 21, 2010, 01:01 AM
    Quote from: kaiwai on January 21, 2010, 12:56 AM
    Considering that part of orthodoxy when you're a Muslims is to follow a Madhab, it goes without saying that these are binding. Most people don't actively choose it - they're pretty much slotted into what ever one is prevalent in their culture - most Muslims in the UK I assume would be Hanafi.

    Yes, we are hanafi.  This is a topic I am interested in, who were these madhab leaders.  Why did certain geographies adopt one school of thought, and others followed another madhab leader?
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  • Re: Baiting muslims
     Reply #29 - January 21, 2010, 01:27 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 21, 2010, 01:01 AM
    Yes, we are hanafi.  This is a topic I am interested in, who were these madhab leaders.  Why did certain geographies adopt one school of thought, and others followed another madhab leader?


    Short answer: Royal patronage by Turko-Persian rulers.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Madhhab_Map2.png

    In the above map all the green is hanafi. Iran only turned shiite in the 17th century, before that they were also sunni hanafi.

    During medieval times the area from Turkey/Egypt all the way to India were ruled by Turkic military rulers who were Persian in culture. The Persian political establishment and state culture were dominated by Hanafi jurists and thinkers. They heavily influenced the Turkic rulers and those Turkic rulers in turn promoted that specific school of thought. The Delhi sultans, Seljuks, Ayyubids, Ottomans, Timurids, and Mughals were all Turko-persian kingdoms all basically had the same Turko-Persian foundation and their religious jurists were hanafis.

    Notice that with the exception of Iran, nearly every Muslim area that were historically not ruled by this Turko-Persian are also not Hanafi. But all the historically Turko-Persian domains are. Iran is only special, as I mentioned, because it was turned shiite by the Safavid empire. Otherwise Iran would have been sunni hanafi just like India or Turkey.

    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

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