I wouldn?t want sikh to lose their religion or culture. Or Rastafaris. So why should I ask muslims to lose theirs?
Ok, I'll be the dick...
I do want them to lose their religions, every dang one of them (c'mon you know I dont mean by force, but though reason). They are lies....horrible horrible lies, why would anyone want to encourage keeping lies alive and running. Especially horrible horrible lies that retard humanity.
So all the white evangelical christian Americans that don't believe in separation of church and state are not "properly integrated" then?
Correct, they are not.
So any native Dane or French convert to Islam that thinks that women should cover up more is not integrated? So what about all the idiot rednecks that I live around that can barely speak proper english, don't have a high school diploma, commit felonies like second nature and are terribly misogynistic and homophobic? Are they also "not integrated".
Correct again...all these examples are of groups that are not integrated properly into the larger society.
Integration in society is about two things:
agreeing on general principles and being a member of the whole society. (unity, commonality, 'in it togetherness').
as an example:
Remember the videos by the 7/7 bombers. If you watch they repeatedly refer to Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, ect as 'their land', while the 'west' or the UK (to which they are citizens of) are 'your governments' 'your people' ect.
This is an example (be it from a person who is an extreme example) that illustrates the point. If one believes themselves separate from the society in which they live, and instead part of another one (in this case a make believe one known as the ummah) they are not integrated.
The same can be said to any exclusionary sub society that separates itself from the whole society (and in many cases is hostile to that 'outsider' society).
Religious based schools and communities are, by definition, not intergrated, anymore than a race based school would be.
Integration requires working towards a united society and a pluralistic 'monoculture' (this is not a oxymoron, by it I mean that all the diverse aspects that make up the pluralistic part are integrated into a larger universal culture shared by all members...the side effect being that these different subgroups need to lose their exceptionalism and exclusivity, which is something that bothers conservatives who cling to the traditionalism and exceptionalism of their group).
Fuck that. Eat humus, smoke shisha, wear a dishdasha - if for no other reason than to piss off people like Kaiwai
I'm not sure if this fits in the general conversation...I mean, eating humus and smoking shisha are not things that are by any means exclusive to muslims, or ever have been. In fact, they are things that (going back to my earlier point) are things that have been integrated into our 'monoculture' (there is a cafe down the street from me that is owned by a bunch of hippy stoners that serves both). As for wearing a dishdasha... as warm weather desert clothing, I dont know if it would really be comfortable in Denmark, and I think would be considered poor fashion more than anything....but if it became fashionable it would be so...no big deal, just as wearing kaffiyeh scarves have become a fashion trend. Till then, if someone looks at you funny because of it, well so it goes....back when I was a punk rocker in jr. high people looked at me funny too, but I concede it would be silly for me to complain I didnt get the job because I wore a spiked leather jacket with a circle jerks patch to the interview.
Well, ok, guess that is my view on that....what were we talking about again?
Topic: Danish Study: Radicalization has nothing to do with Integration