How is rape proved outside Islam?

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Re: How is rape proved outside Islam?
Reply #30 - January 27, 2010, 11:58 AM

Yeah, well, why don't we try bolding some other stuff from that same quote--

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Desiree Washington claimed on the witness stand that she received a phone call from Tyson at 1:36 am on July 19, 1991 inviting her to a party. Having joined Tyson in his limousine, Washington claimed that Tyson made sexual advances towards her. Upon arriving at his hotel room, she claimed that Tyson pinned her down on his bed and raped her despite her pleas to stop. She afterwards ran out of the room and asked Tyson's chauffeur to drive her back to her hotel. When cross-examined by Fuller, Washington was forced to admit that on several occasions she had the opportunity to leave Tyson's hotel room, but chose not to do so. Fuller also probed Washington's own history of sexually leading men on.

Quote from: liberated on January 27, 2010, 11:43 AM
He made sexual advances towards her in the car, and she still willingly went to the hotel room with him, alone. That most likely means she had full knowledge and consent of what was going to happen.

Correct, but she retains the right to withdraw her consent at any time, and if that happens and Tyson proceeds anyways and physically restrains her, then it's rape.

You've never been in a situation where you brought a girl home, you were makin out, maybe even naked, maybe even oral sex, but she doesn't want to "go all the way" that night for whatever reason? Maybe she's on her period or maybe she just wants to save that for your next date, but for whatever reason she wants to stop at a certain point. You try to push it as far as you can, and maybe you end up convincing her otherwise by heating her up sufficiently through oral/digital stimulation, but at a certain point you know when it's not happenin and you respect that. But if you physically restrain her and force yourself on her despite her pleas to stop, then it's fuckin rape, and it really doesn't matter what happened up to that point.

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Re: How is rape proved outside Islam?
Reply #31 - January 27, 2010, 12:02 PM

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Re: How is rape proved outside Islam?
Reply #32 - January 27, 2010, 12:08 PM

Quote from: liberated on January 27, 2010, 08:02 AM
such a feminazi!!

and you're a very boring troll

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Re: How is rape proved outside Islam?
Reply #33 - January 27, 2010, 12:27 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on January 27, 2010, 11:58 AM
Yeah, well, why don't we try bolding some other stuff from that same quote--

She claimed that he did that. Her claiming something doesn't make it right! I can claim that you tried to rape my dog but if I can't prove it, no matter what sort of story I come up with it doesn't make any difference.

And yes, she does reserve the right to withdraw her consent, but read that quote again, she had several opportunities to leave the hotel room when she didn't. And she had a history of sexually leading men on. So basically:

1) He made his intentions clear in the car
2) She knew they were going to be alone in a hotel room, knew that he made advances towards her during the car, hence it was pretty clear that he wanted to have sex with her.
3) When in the room she had several opportunities to leave the room when she didn't.
4) She had a history of leading men on.

These factors make it pretty clear that she participated willingly and then later tried to frame Tyson.

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Re: How is rape proved outside Islam?
Reply #34 - January 27, 2010, 12:29 PM

Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 27, 2010, 12:08 PM
and you're a very boring troll

Not surprising that anyone who doesn't agree with your feminazi views is labeled a troll.
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Re: How is rape proved outside Islam?
Reply #35 - January 27, 2010, 12:37 PM

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Re: How is rape proved outside Islam?
Reply #36 - January 27, 2010, 12:38 PM

Quote from: liberated on January 27, 2010, 12:27 PM

Man, don't be such a blind sheep.

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Correct, but she retains the right to withdraw her consent at any time, and if that happens and Tyson proceeds anyways and physically restrains her, then it's rape.

You've never been in a situation where you brought a girl home, you were makin out, maybe even naked, maybe even oral sex, but she doesn't want to "go all the way" that night for whatever reason? Maybe she's on her period or maybe she just wants to save that for your next date, but for whatever reason she wants to stop at a certain point. You try to push it as far as you can, and maybe you end up convincing her otherwise by heating her up sufficiently through oral/digital stimulation, but at a certain point you know when it's not happenin and you respect that. But if you physically restrain her and force yourself on her despite her pleas to stop, then it's fuckin rape, and it really doesn't matter what happened up to that point.

Sheep or no sheep, I think like he does on this matter.
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Re: How is rape proved outside Islam?
Reply #37 - January 28, 2010, 04:21 AM

Quote from: hupla on January 26, 2010, 04:30 PM

In reality, the 4 witnesses thing was made up to prevent Aisha being stoned for having an affair.

can you please explain more about this. I curious to know the history of it
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Re: How is rape proved outside Islam?
Reply #38 - January 28, 2010, 05:37 PM

I suspect its something to do with this bit out of my blog

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The only issue being that now we have no way of doing a textual study to see how accurate the final version was to the original. In fact the weaker hadith show that parts of the Quran ( the ones to do with stoning women for adultery) were devoured by a goat! This might just be a coincidence, but some say it was because Aisha was afraid as she had already been accused by Ali of becoming overly-friendly with some men from her local village in these hadith.

Sunan Ibn Maaja, Book of Nikah, (Hadith # 1934) The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper.

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