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  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #30 - February 02, 2010, 12:35 PM
    Found this on BBC News about Sharia law in Banda Aceh. There's an interesting girl called Nindy who says:

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    Aceh's changed a lot. It doesn't mean I'm not a good Muslim if I don't wear this - my headscarf. It's my right to live the way I want to.


    Now I'm sure every Muslim knows that wearing the Hijab is compulsory in Islam...where did the whole "I can wear what i want, it says in Islam" shit...
    "Ever notice how people who believe in creationism look really unevolved?
    Their eyes real close together. Eyebrow ridges. Big, furry hands and feet. 'I believe God created me in one day.'
    'Looks like he rushed it." ~ Bill Hicks
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #31 - February 02, 2010, 12:37 PM
    The Quran can be twisted in many ways, one could argue that the only specific order in the quran about wearing hijab is in reference to the prophet....and you could deny the hadiths that sanction hijab.

    Easy.
    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #32 - February 02, 2010, 12:44 PM
    Then what's the point in the Quran or any other "holy" book. It's just stupid...If there is/are a God/ess/s (whatever) then a holy book isn't a great idea if their message can be corrupted...Why couldn't a foolproof way be found? It never made any sense to me...
    "Ever notice how people who believe in creationism look really unevolved?
    Their eyes real close together. Eyebrow ridges. Big, furry hands and feet. 'I believe God created me in one day.'
    'Looks like he rushed it." ~ Bill Hicks
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #33 - February 02, 2010, 12:48 PM
    Well, you're right, but most Muslims don't want to leave Islam but they don't want to follow the Quran literally. Like most Christians I suppose, so we either support wishy-washyism or we tell them to leave Islam or become strict Muslims, I'd rather support Wishy-Washyism because it's slowly destroying Islam.
    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #34 - February 02, 2010, 01:26 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 02, 2010, 10:02 AM
    Slut = derogatory word to describe women who enjoy sex.


    Great way to break away from Islam, all of you.

    How about simply "the most promiscuous"?  why add the sluttiest part?

    If you like sex, you're a slut, if you don't you are frigid, if you pretend you're only enjoying the sex because mr big boy is the best, oh the best thing since sliced bread, but you don't really sex usually, then you are perfect.

    Fake bullshit.

    I thought slutty and promiscuous are pretty much the same thing, a girl who enjoys having sex with multiple partners unrestrained by the conventions of society. I honestly didn't know it was derogatory. If it is, then I sincerely apologize if I offended you or anyone else.

    And just so you know, I really liked this girl. It wasn't just an opportunistic fling as far as I'm concerned. If anything her "sluttiness" was one of the things I most liked about her. To me her "sluttiness" encompassed confidence, liberalism, horniness, and rebelliousness all combined. So believe me, I would take a "slut" over a chaste holier-than-thou chick any day, specially when it comes to marriage.

    I do share your contempt for the cultural norms that make it OK for a man to sleep around but not for a woman. I personally know a lot of guys who brag all day about their sexual endeavors while at the same time expecting their "future wife" to be a virgin "untouched" prude until marriage who would somehow then turn out to be a kinky xxx-chromosomed beauty queen who would melt in their hands because of excessive libido.

    This is one of the things about Iraqi society that really disgust me.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #35 - February 02, 2010, 01:32 PM
    It's the virgin/whore construct.

    Mary the Virgin.

    Mary Magadelena.

    Great way to control your women. If she is a virgin, the she is submissive. No need to worry about her. A meek woman that won't threaten your honor or sexuality.

    If she does not conform call her a whore. That will either make her conform or force her to be an outcast.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #36 - February 02, 2010, 01:47 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 02, 2010, 01:32 PM
    It's the virgin/whore construct.

    Mary the Virgin.

    Mary Magadelena.

    Great way to control your women. If she is a virgin, the she is submissive. No need to fworry about her. A meek woman that won't threaten your honor or sexuality.

    If she does not conform call her a whore. That will either make her conform or force her to be an outcast.

    Good analysis BlackDog. There is also the issue of the hymen. While it is not the only reason males in Arab society have more freedom, I strongly believe that if there was no hymen, girls would have pre-marital sex just as much Arab guys do.

    BTW, your new avatar is creeping the shit out of me grin12
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #37 - February 02, 2010, 01:53 PM
    lol dont worry about him, he's there to ward off fundamentalists and extremists.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #38 - February 02, 2010, 02:27 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on February 02, 2010, 01:26 PM
    I thought slutty and promiscuous are pretty much the same thing, a girl who enjoys having sex with multiple partners unrestrained by the conventions of society. I honestly didn't know it was derogatory. If it is, then I sincerely apologize if I offended you or anyone else.

    And just so you know, I really liked this girl. It wasn't just an opportunistic fling as far as I'm concerned. If anything her "sluttiness" was one of the things I most liked about her. To me her "sluttiness" encompassed confidence, liberalism, horniness, and rebelliousness all combined. So believe me, I would take a "slut" over a chaste holier-than-thou chick any day, specially when it comes to marriage.

    I do share your contempt for the cultural norms that make it OK for a man to sleep around but not for a woman. I personally know a lot of guys who brag all day about their sexual endeavors while at the same time expecting their "future wife" to be a virgin "untouched" prude until marriage who would somehow then turn out to be a kinky xxx-chromosomed beauty queen who would melt in their hands because of excessive libido.

    This is one of the things about Iraqi society that really disgust me.

    so would you like to marry this fling of yours?
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  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #39 - February 02, 2010, 02:40 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 02, 2010, 02:27 PM
    so would you like to marry this fling of yours?

    I don't consider it a fling. And yes she's the kind if girl I would be lucky to marry. The only problem is that she's a Muslim.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #40 - February 02, 2010, 02:43 PM
    And I guess you would feel its unethical to deconvert her? Smiley
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #41 - February 02, 2010, 02:43 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 02, 2010, 02:43 PM
    And I guess you would feel its unethical to deconvert her? Smiley

    I'm not sure I understand your question.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #42 - February 02, 2010, 02:52 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on February 02, 2010, 02:43 PM
    I'm not sure I understand your question.


    Well say you were a muslim and a girl was a pagan. In order to marry her you would have to convert her, convince her?


    Now its the opposite. Obviously you don't have to do anything; you live by your own rules. But realistically it might be a challenge, her being a muslim, and you being an atheist. So, what I'm wondering is, would you deconvert her? Convince her Islam is wrong, or influence her. So you can be together?

    Lazaem tsir kafere methel ma kabel lazem tsir musleme grin12
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #43 - February 02, 2010, 03:21 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 02, 2010, 09:35 AM

    And

    You both suck.

    Seriously, you are judging women for what they wear and whether they like sex or not by calling them Ho's and sluts.  Where is the line between your attitude and a muslim mans?

     finmad




    Hey hold on. I use the term HO in a totally respectful way. I love hos, and I'm complimenting these women for being sexy.

    And perhaps you missed the bit where we're (at least I am) being sort of facetious about all this?

    Of course I have no idea about a person's sexual promiscuity from their clothing. But regardless of what any guy might tell you, when they see a women dressing a certain way they WILL think "ho". No matter what. And if a guy tries to pretend to be more enlightened than that he's lying. Period.

    And I never called anyone a slut. Thats a much harsher word that actually means promiscious. "Ho" I use in a sort of light-hearted way. But I would never say "whore" either, thats also harsh and means something. To me 'ho' is cartoonish and hence you need to chill and not take me that seriously.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #44 - February 02, 2010, 06:28 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 02, 2010, 02:52 PM
    Well say you were a muslim and a girl was a pagan. In order to marry her you would have to convert her, convince her?


    Now its the opposite. Obviously you don't have to do anything; you live by your own rules. But realistically it might be a challenge, her being a muslim, and you being an atheist. So, what I'm wondering is, would you deconvert her? Convince her Islam is wrong, or influence her. So you can be together?

    Lazaem tsir kafere methel ma kabel lazem tsir musleme grin12

    Well ideally yes I would try to convince her to leave Islam. But it's not a must. The most important thing is that she's liberal and open-mind. She can remain a Muslim as long as she agrees to certain conditions.
    Firstly, I would DEFINITELY make it known that I am an atheist, that I drink, and eat pork and plan to continue to do so. I would also tell her that I don't want to raise my children in a Muslim upbringing. I do not want to indoctrinate them from early childhood. I would have no problem with her telling the children about Islam after they become more aware (14-15). I would also make it a condition that she vows to give our children total religious and intellectual freedom. I would also tell her that she should expect me to allow our children (whether a boy or a girl) to have pre-marital sex if they want to. I would also want her to vow to support our children if they turn out to be gay.

    I hope it's not too much that I'm asking for  grin12  No seriously, these are my musts. I know it's gonna scare away 99% of Muslim girls but if there was a Muslim girl (whom I already like A LOT) who is willing to go into a relationship with me then yeah why not.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #45 - February 02, 2010, 06:32 PM
    That's cool  Afro
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #46 - February 02, 2010, 06:40 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 02, 2010, 02:28 AM
    http://hegab-rehab.blogspot.com/2008/12/hojabi.html


    (Clicky for piccy!)




    Just went to the supermarket and saw a Muslim couple - guy was a white convert to Islam and girl was south asian but she was wearing hijaab same shade of pink as in that photo above with matching super high satin pink stilettoes. He was wearing a kameez and a topi hat and sporting a beard LOL!
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #47 - February 02, 2010, 07:16 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on February 02, 2010, 01:47 PM
    Good analysis BlackDog. There is also the issue of the hymen. While it is not the only reason males in Arab society have more freedom, I strongly believe that if there was no hymen, girls would have pre-marital sex just as much Arab guys do.

    Wipe out the pregnancy issue and that will probably be true. It's a shame that the hymen is even an issue when you consider that not all virgins bleed due to many circumstances.
    ~My story~
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  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #48 - February 02, 2010, 07:31 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on February 02, 2010, 07:16 PM
    Wipe out the pregnancy issue and that will probably be true. It's a shame that the hymen is even an issue when you consider that not all virgins bleed due to many circumstances.

    I think the hymen issue is more of a deterrent than the risk of pregnancy. After all, there are condoms and contraceptives and there is abortion.

    And you're right, not all virgins bleed. Some have elastic hymens. Some are born without one. Some hymens are already "ruptured". Some might lose their hymens during accidents or simply by riding a bicycle a certain way. Others don't bleed because their partners have small penises.

    Again, this is why I am sick of Iraqi/Arab/Muslim society. We still have families (although, thankfully, they are on brink of extinction) where the groom's mother go the day after the wedding night to check the sheets. Some even talk about the color and contents of the blood and how far the blood has diffused through the sheets. Seriously I'm not joking.

    When I was in Baghdad Medical School, a Forensics lecturer in the morgue showed us the corpse of a 19-year old girl whom her husband killed on the wedding night because she didn't bleed. He told us that after testing, they discovered she was indeed a virgin. He also told us that the psycho was let go out of respect to "tribal traditions".
      
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #49 - February 02, 2010, 08:07 PM
    That really is sick! You'd think a benevolent god would mention something about this, he really is a sick bastard if he exists
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #50 - February 02, 2010, 08:09 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on February 02, 2010, 07:31 PM
    When I was in Baghdad Medical School, a Forensics lecturer in the morgue showed us the corpse of a 19-year old girl whom her husband killed on the wedding night because she didn't bleed. He told us that after testing, they discovered she was indeed a virgin. He also told us that the psycho was let go out of respect to "tribal traditions".
     


    That is just fucked up.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #51 - February 02, 2010, 08:13 PM
    When I bled I didn't leak on the mattress, there was a bit on my bf's cock but that was it. How much does the average women in bleed?
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #52 - February 02, 2010, 09:38 PM
    True I shagged a virgin once and she didn't bleed at all. Is it just young virgins that bleed? Mine was 24.
    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #53 - February 02, 2010, 09:48 PM
    IA-- you're a doctor?
    fuck you
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #54 - February 02, 2010, 10:19 PM
    Still a medical student
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #55 - February 02, 2010, 11:39 PM
    How many years into your course are you?
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #56 - February 02, 2010, 11:58 PM
    I finished 3 years before moving to the UK. I'm applying to medical schools in the UK and right now I'm in the process of interviews and offers. It seems that I will have to start from the 1st year which means I will graduate in my late twenties. Pretty fucked-up considering that my former colleagues are now about to graduate but then again it's my best choice.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #57 - February 03, 2010, 12:01 AM
    Oh, nice. I assumed you were still in Iraq. You speak Arabic right? I need someone who I can practice my Arabic on.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #58 - February 03, 2010, 12:04 AM
    Yes of course I do and I'd be more than happy to help you with your Arabic  Smiley
  • Re: No Hijab!
     Reply #59 - February 03, 2010, 12:10 AM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on February 02, 2010, 08:13 PM
    When I bled I didn't leak on the mattress, there was a bit on my bf's cock but that was it. How much does the average women in bleed?

    I don't know. I never had sex with a virgin. It's always been a strict policy of mine not to fuck a Muslim virgin regardless of the temptations.

    One more fun fact, I guess you are all with hymen restoration surgery but I bet you haven't heard this one. Some girls who are actually virgin and have never had sex in their lives are purchasing some tiny blood packs that they stuff inside their vaginas "just to to be on the safe side".
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