What I found hilarious was that you pointed me to that site as an example of another site that agreed with you, but when I looked at it I found it was quoting the same bloke who is all over the site you come from.
In other words, you presented it as an independent site that backed your views, but really it wasn't independent at all. It just quoted FFI. That was what was so funny. Next time find a real independent site if you wish to make such a point.
Osmanthus , are you really so desperate to claim victory? At the max my source would reduce by 1 . I quoted Islam watch who had a different writer and now I quoted.Ali Sina. Anyway your wish will be fulfilled. I have planned something for you .Here are some additional sites telling us what Taqiyya is all about .Watch it coming?
These are examples of a practice known as taqiyya, which essentially means to lie for the sake of Islam. The intention is to deceive unbelievers about Islam, for the explicit purpose of assuaging doubts and concerns about Islam, and encouraging conversion. Taqiyya underlies the whole gamut of Muslim propaganda which is disseminated in the West, from the claim that Islam promotes equal rights for women, to the attempts at inflating the perceived number of Muslims. All are designed to draw people to Islam, by hook or by crook.
http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch8.html#ch8-7This site below supports the definition I quoted of Taqiyya which can be found on Wikipedia also.
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter6b/1.htmlI have learned that, for this reason, it is very common practice for Muslims, especially leaders, to lie about the war against non-Muslims. These lies come in many forms such as denying that Islam is a war against non-Muslims, that the Koran teaches salvation through fighting and killing non-Muslims, feigning sympathy for the US concerning 9/11, or Muslim countries denying that they have military intentions against Israel, the US, or other non-Muslim countries.
This raises a number or questions. Are the Muslim peace protestors in the US actually using Al-taqiyya or dissimulation to earn their salvation by lying and trying to interfere with the US and Israel's efforts to defend themselves? Is the Muslim sympathy for the US concerning 9/11 Al-taqiyya earning the salvation of the Muslims by feigning sympathy for the US? Are the Muslim leaders and official speakers using Al-taqiyya to earn salvation by lying to the US media about them fighting because they are "being oppressed by Israel" when there are plenty of Muslims who are citizens in Israel, have good jobs, have their own prosperous businesses, who vote, and are even in the Israeli government?
I recently watched a ABC 20/20 news show by Barbara Walters where she went to Saudi Arabia to confront different people there about text which had been uncovered in public school books which taught hatred and murder of non-Muslims but specifically Jews. I watched as every Muslim male and almost every Muslim female she sat down with to interview blatantly lied about what the Koran says concerning war, hatred, and murdering towards the Jews. Not one of them told the truth. This was clearly Al-taqiyya.[/u]
http://www.hauns.com/%7EDCQu4E5g/koran5.htmlThe principle of sanctioning lying for the cause of Islam bears grave implications in matters relating to the spread of the religion of Islam in the West. Muslim activists employ deceptive tactics in their attempts to polish Islam's image and make it more attractive to prospective converts. They carefully try to avoid, obscure, and omit mentioning any of the negative Islamic texts and teachings.
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/lying.shtmlTaqiyya at work: Falls Church imam claims that Quran doesn't mention beheading.
http://northernvirginiastan.blogspot.com/2004/07/taqiyya-at-work-falls-church-imam.htmlAl-Takeyya
The Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur'an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace, and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates. See the Islam Review article for documentation of this from the Qur'an and the Hadith. The practice of Al-Takeyya is commonly employed to declare a Hudna.
http://islamcommentaries.com/islam/glossary.htm
Fitzgerald: Islam and NPR, Part One
Here is Part One of "Islam and NPR," a new three-part series by Jihad Watch Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald:
I. Taqiyya and Tu-Quoque
NPR?s All Things Considered. January 7, 2005 ? "Jihad" is one of the few Arabic words used in English. It means "spiritual struggle," but many Muslims have pointed out that "jihad" is almost always used in English in the context of terrorism, even though the actual meaning is broader. Commentator Anisa Mehdi would like to propose a word that could be used instead of "jihad." -- From the NPR Website
Anisa Mehdi, a guest on NPR?s All Things Considered, has suggested that for the word ?Jihad? ? possibly the word of greatest significance in the texts, and history, of Islam ? another word could be used. For Muslims, she insisted, were made uneasy by the continued use of this word ?in the context of terrorism? when its ?actual meaning is broader.? And so, to prevent unnecessary harm to Islam?s image, she asks if it might not be possible to avoid the word ?Jihad? altogether.
From the same link below
It has been quite an effort to prevent Infidels from getting the wrong (that is to say, the right) impression of Islam, at least until such time as Muslims in the West currently singing the praises of ?pluralism? no longer have need for Infidel good will and tolerance. To date, the twin techniques of ?Taqiyya? and Tu-Quoque have been relied on. ?Taqiyya? is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi?a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi?a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is ?kitman,? which is defined as ?mental reservation.? An example of ?Taqiyya? would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that ?of course? there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur?anic verse -- ?There shall be no compulsion in religion.? But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about ?no compulsion in religion? has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, ?compulsion in religion? for Muslims, and for non-Muslims. The ?compulsion? for Muslims comes from the treatment of apostasy as an act punishable by death. And though ?dhimmis? are allowed to practice their religion, they do so under conditions of such burdens and restrictions that many, not as an act of conscience but rather as a response to inexorable Muslim pressure, have converted (or ?reverted?) to Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004628.phpTaqqiya and Kitamn is really starting now.
It was to be expected, as we now hear calls for the deportation of clerics and any who espouses hate, or supports such hate. This is the anti-terrorism policy that they fear the most. It was predictable and I did so a week ago.
Let us consider the situation that all muslims at present living in the West, accepted the call to clean their communities of extremism. They even went further and made the changes in their teachings of the koran and the jihad. Such an outcome would no doubt come as a relief to many on this site. But I counter, that all such changes were being done merely to protect the ummah while it grows at ever increasing pace in the West. Once a near majority is achieved, that future generation of muslims will simply revoke any changes and return to the traditions of the koran. They will even praise this generation of muslims for having done what was necessary to protect islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/07/anti-dhimmitude-from-a-letter-in-the-guardian.htmlNadir Ahmed Exposed! (Textual Criticism and Taqiyya)
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2008/01/nadir-ahmed-exposed-textual-criticism.htmlNadir Ahmed Debated Sam shamoun and he was accused of playing Taqiyya. Does it not mean lying for the sake of islam? Are all these sites lying?
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