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Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Muslims...
Reply #90 - February 08, 2010, 09:59 AM

Yupp both right, in Medina robbing caravans. Mecca it was Khadijah.
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Reply #91 - February 08, 2010, 10:12 AM

what proof do we have that Mo raided caravans? if we have any, why do we never present it to muslims as its powerful evidence that he was no prophet, but a professional highway robber..

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Reply #92 - February 08, 2010, 10:21 AM

Is it strong proof though? He was buidling a community. There was no other way of getting money. I mean without faith it shows, this man was just another Arab warlord with some decent morals before the trip to Medina. He did make some changes that were better, overall I would have to say no. Esp. in Medina.

Besides the burden of proof is on them, read his Sira it will say there:
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After the move to Yathreb, the Prophet Mohammad arranged covenants of brotherhood between his local supporters (Ansar) and the gradually arriving Meccan Moslem emigrants (Mohajerun), whereby the former lodged the latter in their homes as adoptive brothers. Although the Mohajerun intended to work and did in fact open shops in the bazaar and find jobs as agricultural labourers, their position was neither easy nor secure. Being committed to struggle against the Qorayshites, they needed more dependable livelihoods which would enable them to stand on their own feet. The Prophet, who did not himself take an employment but subsisted on the generosity of the Mohajerun and the Ansar, {P# 85} went through a hard time, often having to retire to bed with no supper or to assuage his hunger with no more than a few dates.

Thus the small Moslem community faced a vital problem: how to acquire a less precarious and more self-sufficient economic base. The steps taken to solve this problem are discussed below.

Among the contemporary Arab tribes, the traditional method of self-enrichment was attack on another tribe and seizure of its animals and other possessions. For the Moslems then living at Madina no alternative was discernible. They therefore took up raiding. The Arabic word ghazwa (raid) meant a sudden attack on a caravan or another tribe for the purpose of seizing property and women and thereby easing the hard task of survival in Arabia.

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If he truly was guided by God, would he really have to resort to this? Esp. in Medina? Where there was Agriculture? The man was a trader from Mecca, he couldn't have started a trading route? No, he did what most other arabs did, raid caravans. Which means that their actions were not wrong, since he did the same thing. Its not consistent to say well hes a prophet, he got diving sanction to raid caravans. Which means its not the actions themselves, but the person doing them. This is a person claiming to be a prophet. Should we accept this every time a prophet does this? A king does this? A government that does this? Priest? Mullahs?

The actions should be wrong regardless. Otherwise there is divine slavery, divine rape, divine paedophilia, diviner pederasty, divine murder and divine theft and robbery.
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Reply #93 - February 08, 2010, 10:59 AM

News reached the Prophet that a Qorayshite caravan led by Amr b. ol-Hadrami was proceeding from Syria to Mecca with a large cargo of goods. He sent a band of Mohajerun under the command of Abdollah b. Jahsh to attack the caravan. They lay in ambush near a stopping place called on-Nakhla and took the approaching caravan by surprise, killing its leader and capturing two other men before their safe return to Madina with the entire cargo in their possession. The successful venture is known in Islamic history as the Nakhla raid.

This action caused a great stir, because it was the first Moslem raid and because it took place on the first day of the month of Rajab, one of the four months (Moharram, Rajab, Dhu'l-Qa'da, and Dhu'-l-Hejja) in which fighting was forbidden by ancient Arab custom. Cries of indignation against the breach of the ban rang out from the Qoraysh and not unnaturally were echoed by other tribes. This unfavourable aspect of the matter seems to have worried the Prophet, who showed some coolness to Abdollah b. Jahsh and his men, and some uncertainty about the future course to be followed. Abdollah b. Jahsh claimed that the attack had taken place on the last day of the month of Jomada oth-Thaniya, in which case a solution might be found; but there was also the problem of the booty, which would provide needed financial resources for the Prophet's followers and therefore ought not to be relinquished in response to hollow Qorayshite protests. Probably some of his companions pointed out to him that the accomplished fact could not be undone and that any sort of disavowal would be tantamount to acknowledgement of Moslem guilt and enemy innocence. The importance of the booty for improving the situation of the Mohajerun must also have been present to their minds. {P# 86}

A definite and precedent-setting solution came to hand when verse 214 of sura 2 (ol-Baqara) was sent down: "They are asking you about the forbidden month, (about) fighting in it. Say, 'Fighting in it is a great (evil), but turning (men) away from God's path, disbelieving in Him and the Mosque of the Sanctuary, and expelling its people from it are greater (evils) in God's sight. Persecution50 is a greater (sin) than killing. They will not stop fighting you until they estrange you from your religion, if they can."

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Reply #94 - February 08, 2010, 11:19 AM

Quote from: BlackDog on February 08, 2010, 10:21 AM
After the move to Yathreb, the Prophet Mohammad arranged covenants of brotherhood between his local supporters (Ansar) and the gradually arriving Meccan Moslem emigrants (Mohajerun), whereby the former lodged the latter in their homes as adoptive brothers. Although the Mohajerun intended to work and did in fact open shops in the bazaar and find jobs as agricultural labourers, their position was neither easy nor secure. Being committed to struggle against the Qorayshites, they needed more dependable livelihoods which would enable them to stand on their own feet. The Prophet, who did not himself take an employment but subsisted on the generosity of the Mohajerun and the Ansar, {P# 85} went through a hard time, often having to retire to bed with no supper or to assuage his hunger with no more than a few dates.

Thus the small Moslem community faced a vital problem: how to acquire a less precarious and more self-sufficient economic base. The steps taken to solve this problem are discussed below.

Among the contemporary Arab tribes, the traditional method of self-enrichment was attack on another tribe and seizure of its animals and other possessions. For the Moslems then living at Madina no alternative was discernible. They therefore took up raiding. The Arabic word ghazwa (raid) meant a sudden attack on a caravan or another tribe for the purpose of seizing property and women and thereby easing the hard task of survival in Arabia.

this is ali dashtis interpretation of events though the sira isnt it, rather than coming directly from an official islamic source? also, I should know this, but are the sira considered sahih?

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Reply #95 - February 08, 2010, 11:50 AM

Well yes it's not a sira in that sense. But what the fuck, everybody writes a biography of Mo, if Karen Armstrong's biography of Mo can be quoted then how come Dashtis cant? I know this doesn't apply to you, just a general question. The first Sira was heavily edited, but Tabari also used parts of the first sira in his history book. So the Sira is an amalgam of the Ibn Hisham sira, and Tabari. The sira was written before the hadiths, some parts of the sira as soon as 30 years after Mo's death. This needs to be verified by somebody else, I remember reading that in Guillaums introduction to Life Of Muhammed.
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Reply #96 - April 08, 2010, 10:40 AM

For those who don't drink alcohol:
What percentage of a drink must consist of alcohol for it to be considered "alcohol"?
Since any liquid containing sugar (orange juice, coca-cola) breaks down some of the sugar into alcohol in the presence of oxygen, at what point does it become haram?
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Reply #97 - April 08, 2010, 11:54 AM

What is the benefit of Allah adding the underlined bit in 2:196:

"...fast three days during the hajj and seven days on return - making ten days in all..."

Why does Allah need to use the limited and precious space in his last divine revelation to mankind for all time to tell us that:

7 + 3 = 10
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Reply #98 - April 08, 2010, 12:00 PM

Perhaps take a "Muslim" friend with you who will then quote this hadith (I just made-up):

"Maslama relates from Ibn Abbas that he heard two men disputing over the sum of two items - one costing 3 dinars and the other costing 7 dinars. One said the total was 11 Dinars while the other said it was 9 Dinars. So Allah revealed this verse."
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Reply #99 - July 02, 2010, 12:32 AM

top 10 questions i usually ask to make my religious friends think a little bit outside of the box:

1. why does a nonarabic muslim have to pray to the lord in a foreign language he doesn't understand? Is god incapable understanding other languages?

2. why does someone even need to speak, when even thoughts would be sufficient?

3. how can you claim that idolatry is forbidden when the entire muslim world turns towards a Stone in Saudi Arabia to pray, and in order to go in heaven they have to visit the place, and make circles around it. After that they have to throw stones at some idols representing evil?

4. why do we have an appendix if god is the creator and evolution is a lie? Did god just screw up while designing adam?

5. Why did god put the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden, knowing that the humans will eventually try it, since he knows everything? if so, how can humans be sinful if god planned this thing from the beginning and made them so?

6. how come your god allowed alcohol in the begining, telling people to just come sober in the mosque, later changed his mind? if he is omnipotent, omniscient he would not change his mind.

7. you claim that angels do not have "free will" as humans do, hence they are almost robotic servants of god. How come that Satan could rebel against god ? and why the hell would god need helpers if he is omnipotent.

8. how can god punish you for something he himself wrote, so you are predetermined to fail or win. Is he a psychopath or not omniscient?

9. how can you call life "a test" if the results are already known?

10. You say that we live in order so god can justify his verdict by facts. Does this mean that god needs to justify himself before his tiny creations?

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Reply #100 - July 02, 2010, 12:36 AM

Damn, Bardhi, these are pretty good questions to ask Christians and non-abrahamic religious people too.

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Reply #101 - July 02, 2010, 06:30 AM

Quote from: Bardhi_i_zi on July 02, 2010, 12:32 AM
10. You say that we live in order so god can justify his verdict by facts. Does this mean that god needs to justify himself before his tiny creations?

That is an excellent - but often missed - question!
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Reply #102 - July 02, 2010, 07:01 AM

great questions bardhi, but satan was no angel, he was a jinn, actually he was both the quran contradicts itself
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Reply #103 - July 02, 2010, 07:09 AM

theres this hadith that says "Whoever changes his religion, kill him". does that go for converts to islam as well then??
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Reply #104 - July 02, 2010, 08:48 AM

Only those who leave Islam!

According to one Sheikh, 'it is a blessing that Allah honoured the Deen of Islam with as it was the final and complete religion!'
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Reply #105 - July 02, 2010, 12:13 PM

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great questions bardhi, but satan was no angel, he was a jinn, actually he was both Grin the quran contradicts itself

I found this confirming that he was an angel:

"It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis (Lucifer); He refused to be of those who prostrate."
(Allah) said: "What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay."

Qur'an 7:11-12

I am not a quranic expert, i never read it cover to cover.. I usually read only parts for a specific topic (when it comes up in a debate) , like for alcohol and stuff like that.

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Reply #106 - July 02, 2010, 12:28 PM

Some people are handicapped, some were born into an islamic community and some in an nonislamic country. If god wants to test us - why doesn't he provide equal testing conditions?

Is God just?
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Reply #107 - July 02, 2010, 12:34 PM

Quote from: UnsichtbarerGeist on July 02, 2010, 12:28 PM
Some people are handicapped, some were born into an islamic community and some in an nonislamic country. If god wants to test us - why doesn't he provide equal testing conditions?

Nice one, considering the fact that in order to get proper results the applicants must have the same start... Its not fair to test the entire class by giving some people a very easy test and others a very hard one and then again to some others a test impossible to solve....

nice one... got to keep this one in mind

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Reply #108 - July 24, 2010, 01:29 AM

Why doesn't God heal amputees(not my question, but gotta mention it)?

Why in the fuck is the Qur'an revealed in only one language if it is for all people of Muhammad's ummah? Surely if the message is universal it would be revealed in multiple languages to make translation easier? An all-knowing god must understand this...

Why is Muhammad the last prophet? Does Allah not understand that more prophets who perform mircacles is a good way to make people believe in him?
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Reply #109 - July 27, 2010, 08:52 PM

Did the adam and eve story literally take place?

Do you believe in Magic, yes or no?

Dont get many straight forward answers from western moderate muslims on those questions...
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Reply #110 - July 27, 2010, 09:02 PM

Do you believe in the Buraq?

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Reply #111 - July 27, 2010, 09:17 PM

Quote from: serrated_colon on July 24, 2010, 01:29 AM
Why in the fuck is the Qur'an revealed in only one language if it is for all people of Muhammad's ummah? Surely if the message is universal it would be revealed in multiple languages to make translation easier? An all-knowing god must understand this...

And why wasn't the Qur'an revealed in a language that is easier to understand than Arabic (people are always saying that to truly understand the Qur'an, you have to read it in the original arabic), and why did Allah not make the Qur'an easier to understand for your lay person, so you wouldn't need scholars to explain the meaning to you?

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Reply #112 - August 06, 2010, 12:39 AM

There are many good questions that can make any moderate muslim skeptic about islam.
QUESION NO 1
Do you believe god is omnipotent?
If he is omnipotent can he make stone which he can't lift?

QUESTION NO 2
Do you believe god is merciful?
If he is merciful why will he torture non believers forever in hell?

QUESTION NO 3
why the punishment of apostasy is death in islam?

QUESTION NO 4
why does quran promote wife beating?

QUESTION NO 5
why does islam allow sex with slaves?

QUESTION NO 6
why does the quran allow slavery?

QUESTION NO 7
why does islam allow polygyny? isn't it injustice towards women since they are very possessive about their husbands?

QUESTION NO 8
why did islam allow mut'a (temporary marriage)

QUESTION NO 9
why were people of banu Quraiza brutally killed?

QUESTION NO 10
why is music prohibited?

QUESTION NO 11
why are pictures haraam?

QUESTION NO 12
why does one have to grow beard if he wants to be true muslim?

QUESTION NO 13
why does muslim believe that uncovering ankle is a necessary part of a male muslim's dress?

QUESTION NO 14
Dogs are man's best friend? why does islam prohibit dogs?

I think for muslims, these general questions are very difficult to answer logically. There are many other questions about science and history of Quran.
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Reply #113 - August 06, 2010, 12:55 AM

shoaib asks so many questions Let me answer them

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QUESION NO 1
Do you believe god is omnipotent? If he is omnipotent can he make stone which he can't lift?

QUESTION NO 2
Do you believe god is merciful? If he is merciful why will he torture non believers forever in hell?

Questions 1 & 2 have same answer..The moment you call/consider god as "he/she/it"., there is NO god but there is "he/she/it"

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QUESTION NO 3
why the punishment of apostasy is death in islam?

Where did you read that? Such Islam is No religion but CULT.
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QUESTION NO 4
why does quran promote wife beating?

Where did you see that? Such Quran is NOT word of Allah but word of man..
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QUESTION NO 5
why does islam allow sex with slaves?

Because Sex Good..

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QUESTION NO 6
why does the quran allow slavery?

For sex
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QUESTION NO 7
why does islam allow polygyny? isn't it injustice towards women since they are very possessive about their husbands?

such polygamy is for SEX OBSESSED DIRTY OLD MEN. not for all.
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QUESTION NO 8
why did islam allow mut'a (temporary marriage)

Where did you read that in Quran??

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QUESTION NO 9
why were people of banu Quraiza brutally killed?

Because they didn't follow Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) advice.
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QUESTION NO 10
why is music prohibited?

Stupid musicians make too much noise and some time sing silly songs against Allaha..
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QUESTION NO 11
why are pictures haraam?

We don't want people to get brain washed with pictures., that is for idolaters., Rascals make noise in front of pictures., they were Ancestors of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)
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QUESTION NO 12
why does one have to grow beard if he wants to be true muslim?

It looks good saves money and saves time., you can use that time to pray Allah or prey on women.

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QUESTION NO 13
why does muslim believe that uncovering ankle is a necessary part of a male muslim's dress?

It is sexy to show them to burqa clad women..
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QUESTION NO 14
Dogs are man's best friend? why does islam prohibit dogs?

Dogs make too much noise.. annoying in the town..

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I think for muslims, these general questions are very difficult to answer logically. There are many other questions about science and history of Quran.

Thatis what you think shoaib., It is easy to answer your questions as REAL PRACTICING MUSLIM., you are just trying to annoy Muslims with your questions.

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Reply #114 - August 06, 2010, 01:11 AM

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Reply #115 - August 06, 2010, 07:13 AM

Quote from: yeezevee on August 06, 2010, 12:55 AM

Thatis what you think shoaib., It is easy to answer your questions as REAL PRACTICING MUSLIM., you are just trying to annoy Muslims with your questions.

I agree with you but i still have hope that not all muslims are brainless people. Such kind of Questions will make some of them think. By the way good sarcasm.
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Reply #116 - August 25, 2010, 11:53 PM

Quote from: billy on February 04, 2010, 10:31 PM
Why does Allah demand puritanism and chastity in this life, and yet promise sexual licentiousness in heaven? Why is that acceptable in heaven, and not acceptable on earth?

If the principle is that Islam renders things that are sinful on earth into acceptable practises in heaven, does that mean that other acts which are sins on earth are acceptable in heaven?

Why would Allah promise a heaven in which supposed sin is acceptable?

good one!! i can't imagine what a muslim would answer to that .
oh yeah , he's testing us! because god loves quizzes.

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Reply #117 - August 26, 2010, 12:18 AM

Quote from: IsLame on February 05, 2010, 09:30 AM

Also were Eskimos at the poles supposed to do during the month of Ramadhan where the sun rises and then sets after six months - starve to death?

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Reply #118 - August 26, 2010, 12:43 AM

-why is it forbidden to question too much ? it is said that questioning will make you loose your faith .
so does God prefer blind faith over critical thinking ? why do we have brains?

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Reply #119 - August 26, 2010, 12:40 PM

Most Muslims will give you this answer? BECAUSE ALLAH SAID SO AND HE KNOWS MORE THAN YOU DO
i find it very annoying when they said that

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