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 Topic: The Story of Sulayman

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  • The Story of Sulayman
     OP - February 04, 2010, 11:25 PM
    OK well I finally got round to doing this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTInvTLliAI

    Special thanks to Ladenee who gave me permission to use text from his blog that can be found here:

    http://ladenee.blogspot.com
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #1 - February 04, 2010, 11:27 PM
    Hassaaaaan!  dance

    I'll check this out when I get home.
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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #2 - February 04, 2010, 11:51 PM
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    that is really great. i wish that u have the same courage and u can speak hebrew. so u can make another vedio and post it for the israelies and the zionest who believe that solomon and his kingdom did existed. and they still till today digging for his temple to proof that israel was a kingdom.

    according to u. solomen did not exist , his kingdom did not exist . so israel did not exist and should not exist. thank u.
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #3 - February 04, 2010, 11:57 PM
    I just flamed him hardcore. great
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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #4 - February 05, 2010, 12:08 AM
    Brilliant  Afro
    Nice to see you doing Arabic videos recently, getting to a variety of viewers  Wink
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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #5 - February 05, 2010, 12:15 AM
    I like the poetic opening with the (kan ya kan, fi qadimi-zaman) and the genie style voice...

    Good video.
    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #6 - February 05, 2010, 12:40 AM
    That was great Hassan!

    Loved that little Marxist insect.  Cheesy
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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #7 - February 05, 2010, 12:54 AM

    Love the editing and various clips you utilised Hassan  Afro
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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #8 - February 05, 2010, 07:50 AM
    Really great video Hassan. Not insulting, coherent, and sensical. Also, the pictures of the children should for those who are of critical mind reflect the fact that we have grown up with this book, indoctrinated.

    I give it 5 virgins out of 5. (Muslim version of Roger Ebert)
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #9 - February 05, 2010, 12:24 PM
    Never knew about this character, but what a powerful video for the middle east - you've pitched it just right, and according to the sensitivities of their culture.  Great use of poignant music at the end .  Nice one  Afro

    P.S How did you make him fall of his horse at 5:50
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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #10 - February 05, 2010, 12:37 PM
    That was really good Hass.  I loved the images you chose.   Afro
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #11 - February 05, 2010, 03:05 PM
    Thanks guys. It was quite fiddly to make but fun  Afro

    The only thing that annoyed me was adding the subtitles - it was a real pain in the bum!

    Does anyone know an easier way?

    I tried using a program called Jubler and avidemux but Jubler wont work for me. I also tried downloading the subtitles program off Youtube but it won't download.

    If anyone can help me do this that would great - as I don't want to have to type and place all those subtitles again - it was a real drag!
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #12 - February 05, 2010, 03:09 PM
    Islame, just use any good drawing program (especially one that lets you use "layers") and then just use the freeform select and draw round the object you want to move and cut and paste it elsewhere then paint in the gap and use each picture as a single frame. (lots of frames make a good movie - but I can't be bothered to do lots so just a few will create the appearance of movement.)

    I enjoy messing about with this sort of stuff so it's quite fun for me.  grin12
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #13 - February 05, 2010, 03:17 PM
    I only use Microsoft Paint which came with my pc - is that no good for this type of thing?  do you recommend any others?
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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #14 - February 05, 2010, 06:53 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 05, 2010, 03:17 PM
    I only use Microsoft Paint which came with my pc - is that no good for this type of thing?  do you recommend any others?


    Well you can use any paint/draw program. The idea is to create lots of frames (pictures) of the scene you want to animate - moving the particular part(s) a little bit each time. (It's quite tiresome and laborious to do it properly, which is why I do it in a very half-arsed way  grin12 )

    It is easier if you have a feature in your paint/draw program to do layers, which is basically to paste images on top of other images then you can move any particular image with just a click and drag movement and save each frame under a different name. i.e. sulaymaninsect1 sulaymaninsect2 and so on...

    then you use all the pictures together in your movie - making them very short - and hey presto you have an animation!

    I use a program that came free with my scanner, called PhotoStudio.

    Smiley
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #15 - February 06, 2010, 11:18 PM
    There's a Muslim guy on Richard Dawkins forum that claims that Sulayman didn't talk to an ant but a human being from a valley called Naml (as opposed to the valley of ants) and so the guy was a Namlite!

    Honestly! The lengths some will go to keep clinging on to fairytales! Cheesy

    http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=108703
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #16 - February 06, 2010, 11:23 PM
    where is the official story of sulayman, as i'd like to read more about it?
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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #17 - February 06, 2010, 11:30 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 06, 2010, 11:23 PM
    where is the official story of sulayman, as i'd like to read more about it?


    It's mentioned in several suras. The ant story is in Surah an-Naml for example.

    Here is a Wikipedia article that gives all the Qur'anic references to the story:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Solomon
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #18 - February 07, 2010, 01:49 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 06, 2010, 11:18 PM
    There's a Muslim guy on Richard Dawkins forum that claims that Sulayman didn't talk to an ant but a human being from a valley called Naml (as opposed to the valley of ants) and so the guy was a Namlite!

    That interpretation is not new to me. I believe I read about this first at answering-islam.com, when I was researching the talking ants in this story. Some scholar (Ahmadeyya I think) has come up with an explanation of this story, that doesn't make it look like a fairy tale. This apologetic answer falls immediately on its face when you look at the verse carefully:

    27:18: At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it."

    These "Namlites" must have been very tiny and frail human beings, considering that they were afraid of being crushed by Solomon and his army without them being aware of it. Cheesy
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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #19 - February 07, 2010, 02:13 AM
    This is what I'm starting to dislike about religions and religious people. Why not be honest? Why not say, yes, he spoke with ants, so what? Why these weird interpretations and explanations. I'm trying to understand this mentality.
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #20 - February 07, 2010, 02:20 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 07, 2010, 02:13 AM
    This is what I'm starting to dislike about religions and religious people. Why not be honest? Why not say, yes, he spoke with ants, so what? Why these weird interpretations and explanations. I'm trying to understand this mentality.

    Remember that for some people Islam is the most rational and logical religion of all. Therefore... Wink
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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #21 - February 07, 2010, 02:20 AM
    Therefore they need to take  a look at this picture:




    Samaritan Passover Prayer - Samaritan pilgrims in prayer before the Holy Rock (1920)
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #22 - February 07, 2010, 02:25 AM
    Of course a muslim will claim yes Allah taught them how to pray :S Moses did. Or Abraham. Or somebody. That's why they pray like that, because they were obviously muslims before Mohammed, but yet Samaritans at the same time. And then add the verses about corrupted scriptures.
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #23 - February 07, 2010, 10:46 AM
    Quote from: Aziz on February 07, 2010, 01:49 AM
    That interpretation is not new to me. I believe I read about this first at answering-islam.com, when I was researching the talking ants in this story. Some scholar (Ahmadeyya I think) has come up with an explanation of this story, that doesn't make it look like a fairy tale. This apologetic answer falls immediately on its face when you look at the verse carefully:

    27:18: At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it."

    These "Namlites" must have been very tiny and frail human beings, considering that they were afraid of being crushed by Solomon and his army without them being aware of it. Cheesy


    The guy on DawkinsNet is an Ahmadiyya (and always ends with the words: "I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim".)
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #24 - February 07, 2010, 10:50 AM
    Do any muslims take this story metaphorically alone?
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #25 - February 07, 2010, 10:52 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 07, 2010, 02:13 AM
    This is what I'm starting to dislike about religions and religious people. Why not be honest? Why not say, yes, he spoke with ants, so what? Why these weird interpretations and explanations. I'm trying to understand this mentality.


    Yes it's hard to understand this mentality - particularly for those of us that err towards a more rational and logical way of thinking - but to be fair to them they are not being dishonest - at least they don't see it as dishonesty.

    Their starting point is that the Qur'an is true - no doubt about it, therefore the story of the talking ants, birds and jinn etc... MUST be true and if it appears to be untrue or unbelievable is because we don't understand it properly - therefore any explanation that seems to solve this must be true as a consequence.
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #26 - February 07, 2010, 10:55 AM
    Quote from: z10 on February 07, 2010, 10:50 AM
    Do any muslims take this story metaphorically alone?


    Yes. Sufis for a start as well as many Muslims who take a more esoteric or philosophical view of their faith.

    I strongly believe that the literalists are doomed in this day and age. Their days are numbered and many are jumping ship and grabbing onto whatever they can to retain their faith.
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #27 - February 07, 2010, 10:56 AM
    Well, if the intelligent muslims are already taking this metaphorically, do you feel perhaps you are preaching to the choir?  Smiley
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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #28 - February 07, 2010, 11:13 AM
    It's a minority z10. The majority take it literally.
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #29 - February 07, 2010, 11:13 AM
    Quote from: z10 on February 07, 2010, 10:56 AM
    Well, if the intelligent muslims are already taking this metaphorically, do you feel perhaps you are preaching to the choir?  Smiley


    Some Muslims take it metaphorically - by far the majority still take it literally.

    If all Muslims took the Qur'an as not literally true but some sort of mystic symbolism (i.e hitting ones wife really means sorting out one's "personal creativity" like The Tailor) then there would be no problem and CEMB wouldn't exist.

    But like I say, the majority still take these sorts of things literally.

    For example I asked Debunker this question about the story of Solomon on another thread:

    Quote from: Hassan on January 18, 2010, 10:21 PM
    Hi Debunker,

    Do you believe that the Qur'an's descriptions of Sulayman's interaction with the Jinn, birds and other animals is literally true or is some sort of metaphorical or allegorical story that should not be taken literally?...


    Quote from: debunker on January 18, 2010, 10:31 PM
    @ Hassan

    These stories including the miracles of Jesus, Moses and the rest are all literally true...

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