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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #150 - February 08, 2010, 08:35 PM

    @ Yunus

    Where does it say an insect was biting away at Solomons stick - as far as I'm aware the Quran says it was an 'earthly creature'

    *Dabatu Al-Ard* usually means a bug but it can mean an animal... HOWEVER, it seems as if you're implying that the staff took only a brief time to break WHICH CONTRADICTS the message of the verse... the message is that human servants/subjects of Solomon learned that demons do NOT know the unseen otherwise they wouldn't have spent all this time working for him, when he was dead... if it was ananimal eating away at his staff, it would have been a few minutes... it must have been a bug (allowing for more time to eat the staff).

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #151 - February 08, 2010, 08:37 PM

    ''cool down Yunus... it's as if you were itching for a good chance to criticize one of Hassan's videos and now you think you got it''

    No I can assure you that's not my personality. I sincerely beleive in my criticisms stated above. I have always not liked it when people mis-represent the Quran. I like a lot of Hassans videos and he knows I respect him. Besides I only posted my list of objections only after you insisted - I didn't even post them after Hassan asked a couple of times earlier.

    Btw we are on the same side dude. show me some love once in a while
     far away hug



    I didn't insist on anything Smiley
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8595.msg215294#msg215294

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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #152 - February 08, 2010, 08:40 PM

    ''*Dabatu Al-Ard* usually means a bug but it can mean an animal... HOWEVER, it seems as if you're implying that the staff took only a brief time to break WHICH CONTRADICTS the message of the verse... the message is that human servants/subjects of Solomon learned that demons do NOT know the unseen otherwise they wouldn't have spent all this time working for him, when he was dead... if it was ananimal eating away at his staff, it would have been a few minutes... it must have been a bug (allowing for more time to eat the staff).''

    Yeah but it doesn't say days - for all we know it could have been a few hours. So the jinn would have been working a few hours extra when they didn't need to (if that indeed is the correct way to interpret the whole verse).

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #153 - February 08, 2010, 08:45 PM

    Ok maybe you ddn't insist - but you did question the validity of my concerns.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #154 - February 08, 2010, 08:45 PM

    @ Yunus

    Actually I thought it was generous from Hassan to say a few days... because the language of the verse in Arabic does give the feeling that the demons suffered and suffered for a long time until Solomon's body suddenly dropped!

    Anyway, check out this thread about you!  bunny
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8651.msg215359;topicseen#new

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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #155 - February 08, 2010, 08:49 PM

    Yeah they probably think I'm too dumb to become an apostate  Cheesy

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #156 - February 08, 2010, 09:12 PM

    Nah, its just because you're not willing to get down & dirty like Debunker is - check out my comment!  If you need any specialised apostate training, i'll be your trainer..  Wink

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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #157 - February 08, 2010, 09:16 PM

    Yeah they probably think I'm too dumb to become an apostate  Cheesy



    Hey, we love you maaaaang

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #158 - February 08, 2010, 09:39 PM

    @ Hassan

    Lest people say on the judgement day: "O God! If you only sent us mircles to believe!"


    All this so God could prove a point?

    This whole charade - the outcome of he knows - just so that he could have a good answer to "O God! If you only sent us mircles to believe!"??

    None of this makes any sense, Debunker.

    Why not just put the people of Hell straight in Hell and people of Heaven in Heaven - or does God get some sort of satisfaction from all this nonsense.

    You know when you talk about a God who creates man for an eternity in Hell and how you'd like to reject God because of Hell - yet you believe in God despite of it - just makes me depressed and wish that we could stop filling the minds of children with this nonsense. If there is a God, Debunker - he cannot be this depressing cruel petty monster that wants an excuse to say to his weak and pathetic creatures that he set on paths they have little control over:

    "I told you so!"
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #159 - February 08, 2010, 10:12 PM

    sorry debunker, I updated my post soon after I made it - I left out a few details of my own

    Hassan I'd be grateful if you could answer:


    Where does it say in the Quran that Solomon himself actually tortured animals?

    Where does it say he ruled over a kingdom as vast as America? In fact does it say anywhere how vast Solomon's kingdom was? (i.e. the fact that he was granted a 'kingdom of the like that was never to be granted to anyone after him' could and probably just means that the kingdom consisted of jinn and birds as well as men - no one would have this type of kingdom ever again)

    Where does it say he died on the horse while leaning on his stick? Where does it say he went unnoticed for days?

    Where does it say an insect was biting away at Solomons stick - as far as I'm aware the Quran says it was an 'earthly creature'

    Where does it say the jinns built a palace with a marble floor for the queen so that Solomon could impress her?

    Where does it say the queen revealed her legs to Solomon in the manner depicted in your vid to entice solomon (in the Quran it says she simply pulled up her garments because she thought she was standing in a lake of water)?



    Hi Abu Yunus,

    All of what I said in the video was based on Qur'an - yes, I refer to tafseer and traditions - but all take their cue from Qur'an. I used the blog of Ladeenee that I mention at the end as my starting point - he in turn used the traditional accounts of these things told in every book of "Stories from the Qur'an" available in every Muslim country.

    OK to your points:

    1. Where does it say in the Quran that Solomon himself actually tortured animals?

    OK it doesn't say it directly it attributes it to God - Verse 12 of Sura Saba - God says when they disobey he will torture them with burning fire - this has been understood to mean that when they disobey Solomon he will punish them and there is a hadith that he would order angels to whip them with whips of fire.

    2. Where does it say he ruled over a kingdom as vast as America?

    That is inference - and for good reason, namely...

    The Qur'an says that Sulayman was given a Kingdom the like of which was never given to anyone after him - The kingdom of Bilquis (said to be in Yemen) was under his control - he had armies of Jinn, animals and the Natural Elements.

    probably just means that the kingdom consisted of jinn and birds as well as men - no one would have this type of kingdom ever again

    Is that your tafseer?

    3. Where does it say he died on the horse while leaning on his stick? Where does it say he went unnoticed for days?

    Again you need to read into what the Qur'an says. And please remember none of what I said is from me personally, but from what Muslims down the centuries inferred from this and I'm surprised you haven't heard at least some of this before.

    The Qur'an says he died while leaning on a stick and a 'creature of the earth' ate away at the stick till he fell down and the Jinn saw and realised that they cannot see the unseen.

    What can that mean Abu Yunus? Again this is not me, but all the Muslims down the ages who said that means he was watching the Jinn as they worked and slaved away for him and that this was outside and that a King would be sitting on a horse (or forget the horse it's not important) he was leaning on a stick and died and an insect came and started eating away at the stick. This takes a very long time - right?

    4. Where does it say an insect was biting away at Solomons stick - as far as I'm aware the Quran says it was an 'earthly creature'

    What do you think an earthly creature is? Actually what do you think this passage in the Qur'an is all about - I'd be very interested to hear what you think it means?

    5. Where does it say the jinns built a palace with a marble floor for the queen so that Solomon could impress her?

    Why do you think she lifted her dress?

    Muslims down the ages said it was she thought the floor was water and thought she was stepping into water - when it was really a shiny floor surface the like of which she had never seen before.

    In the Arabic I actually said Zujaja (glass) and only said Marble in the english text because that's what some Muslims say in English. It can be considered the same thing - basically it was a floor that reflected light and looked like water which is why Bilquis lifted her dress.



    6. Where does it say the queen revealed her legs to Solomon in the manner depicted in your vid to entice solomon (in the Quran it says she simply pulled up her garments because she thought she was standing in a lake of water)?

    Poetic licence on my part I admit - a woman lifting up her dress to a king she has come to submit to - it  is an unusual thing to put in a story in the Qur'an and no doubt had the effect of making heads turn.


    BTW even the flying carpet is inferred from the Qur'an as it says that he had power of the wind and it took him to far lands - or words to that effect - can't be bothered to look it up.

    So yes - basically everything I said was based on Qur'an.

    If you have another meaning for all these things I would truly be interested to know what you think they mean?

  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #160 - February 08, 2010, 10:29 PM

    One more point - many of the clips I used were from films made in Muslim countries telling the story of Sulayman according to the traditional sources in the way it has for hundreds of years - so again, I am surprised you are surprised at my video. (In fact I was quite moderate in what I said - sticking to things that were indeed based in some way on Qur'an - I left out many things that were ONLY in hadith.)

    This is one of the series I used clips from - and is the one that shows Jinn being tortured etc...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fZ1cVKD078

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALRU86pPHo8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBn4-g5VUuY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0gTtoOMex4
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #161 - February 08, 2010, 10:31 PM

    @Hassan

    Lets say we took the story as a myth and symbolically. Can a more liberal Muslim interpret some valuable and worthwhile lessons from it?

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #162 - February 08, 2010, 10:45 PM

    @ Yunus

    Actually I thought it was generous from Hassan to say a few days... because the language of the verse in Arabic does give the feeling that the demons suffered and suffered for a long time until Solomon's body suddenly dropped!


    Indeed! I ignored the comments by some that he was in that position for a year or more!

    I always err on the side of caution when I make my videos and try to be very fair. (Though of course I am human.) When making this vid I discarded a huge bunch of stuff and weird and wonderful narrations!

    tbh if you pick up any book on "Stories of the Qur'an" you will find much more than I put in my video.
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #163 - February 08, 2010, 11:04 PM

    Each and every one of the four tafseers on this site (Tabari, Jalalayn, Ibn Kathir and Qurtubi) say he stayed like that for a year before any of the Jinn knew. (I was well aware of that but chose to be cautious nevertheless.)

    http://quran.al-islam.com/arb/

    تفسير القرطبي

    تَبَيَّنَتِ الْجِنُّ أَنْ لَوْ كَانُوا يَعْلَمُونَ الْغَيْبَ
    ابن عباس قال : أقام سليمان بن داود عليهما الصلاة والسلام حولا لا يعلم بموته وهو متكئ على عصاه , والجن منصرفة فيما كان أمرها به , ثم سقط بعد حول

    تفسير ابن كثير
    أنها قامت سنة تأكل منها قبل أن يخر

    تفسير الجلالين
    كونه سنة بحساب ما أكلته الأرضة من العصا بعد موته

    تفسير ابن كثير
    قد مات منذ سنة
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #164 - February 08, 2010, 11:14 PM

    Hey Hassan

    3- The verse from the Quran is:
    ''But when We decreed death for him, naught showed them his death but a creature of the earth that ate away his staff; and when it fell down, the jinn came to know plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in abasing torment.''

    It appears it's not even clear that he was leaning on his stick - I'm not sure exactly what the verse is saying.

    4- An earthly creature could pretty much be anything in my honest opinion - perhaps a creature that lives in the ground - there are quite a lot of these - ferrets, meerkats, naked mole-rats etc.

    5- Ok glass/marble whatever it was - where does it say specifically that the jinns built the palace with the marble/glass floor so solomon could impress the queen. As far as I can tell there is nothing like this in the Quran.

    In general Hassan - I guess maybe I got carried away by the fact that a lot of these details are not actually in the Quran and do accept that Muslims down the years have come up with much more ellaborate versions whilst labelling it a 'story of the Quran'.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #165 - February 08, 2010, 11:14 PM

    @Hassan

    Lets say we took the story as a myth and symbolically. Can a more liberal Muslim interpret some valuable and worthwhile lessons from it?


    I think you'd best ask Muslims like the Tailor - and other Sufis - rather than me.

    But sure, one can take things in a symbolic way and that it points to some spiritual truth. It just takes a bit of imagination. Cross your fingers, shut your eyes real tight, click your heels and whisper - "There's no place like home!"

  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #166 - February 08, 2010, 11:47 PM

    3- The verse from the Quran is:
    ''But when We decreed death for him, naught showed them his death but a creature of the earth that ate away his staff; and when it fell down, the jinn came to know plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in abasing torment.''


    Where did you get that translation?

    It's when HE (Sulayman) fell down. Not when IT (?) fell down.

    It appears it's not even clear that he was leaning on his stick - I'm not sure exactly what the verse is saying.


    OK that's your opinion. The opinion of 1400 years of Islamic Scholarship is that he was leaning on his stick - but I can't be bothered looking up stuff right now, my friend.

    4- An earthly creature could pretty much be anything in my honest opinion - perhaps a creature that lives in the ground - there are quite a lot of these - ferrets, meerkats, naked mole-rats etc.

     

    Again - that's not the opinion of all the scholars - but again, whatever.

    5- Ok glass/marble whatever it was - where does it say specifically that the jinns built the palace with the marble/glass floor so solomon could impress the queen. As far as I can tell there is nothing like this in the Quran.


    Again you can make your own mind up. But to me it looks like he's trying to impress/astonish her.

    Here's the scene: Bilquis is on her way to Sulayman.

    He says who can bring me her throne before she comes? A Jinn does it in a blink of an eye.

    When she arrives he shows it to her and says is this your throne? She is amazed and says yes.

    Then he tells her to enter his "lofty Palace"!

    She has never seen anything like this shiny floor before and thinks it is "a lake of water" and she "uncovered her legs"

    Then she discovers her mistake and no-doubt feeling embarrassed and overwhelmed by all this, then she submits to Solomon - and Islam of course Wink

    I read into that - as have many others - that Solomon built the palace to impress/astonish her - just as he brought her throne to impress/amaze her.

    You can read what you want into it - but that's how it looks to me (and others before me.)

    In general Hassan - I guess maybe I got carried away by the fact that a lot of these details are not actually in the Quran and do accept that Muslims down the years have come up with much more ellaborate versions whilst labelling it a 'story of the Quran'.


    No worries mate.
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #167 - February 08, 2010, 11:50 PM

    You know when you talk about a God who creates man for an eternity in Hell and how you'd like to reject God because of Hell - yet you believe in God despite of it - just makes me depressed and wish that we could stop filling the minds of children with this nonsense. If there is a God, Debunker - he cannot be this depressing cruel petty monster that wants an excuse to say to his weak and pathetic creatures that he set on paths they have little control over:

    "I told you so!"



    Hassan,
    I think young people make up their own minds - teenagers often do not listen to their parents and in fact they often like to do the opposite of what their parents tell them. Indeed most of us make up our minds about religion once we reach a certain age regardless with what we have been 'indoctrinated' with when we were children - even you became much stronger in faith when you were much older (20?).  As long as we don't force our children to believe in anything one way or the other then I don't see the problem. Every individual has the intelligence to make up their own minds no matter what they were taught when they were children - a lot of them still don't belive in Santa Claus when they grow up.

    We all want what's best for our children - therefore since I believe in Islam I will teach my children about the religion - they are then free to make up their own mind as I am sure they no doubt will once they reach a certain age no matter what advice I have given them. Is it right for you to suggest I am 'poisoning their minds'? I see a lot of good in Islam and I want my children to grow up to be good people - so once again am I poisoning their minds by teaching them about Islam?

    The last couple of days the issue of tolerance has been playing on my mind (In fact I probably over-reacted to a little comment that Billy made earlier today that in retrospect I had little cause to - sorry Billy) and it's probably the reason why I have been a bit fiesty on here the last two days. But I do sometimes feel Islam is not offered the same tolerance that other people expect for themselves. Most Muslims live peacefully and are good people and we are a reflection of Islam - so how would ridding the world of Islam make it a better place? surely it would be incredibly naive to think this?

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #168 - February 08, 2010, 11:51 PM

    3- the translation is from shakir

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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #169 - February 08, 2010, 11:59 PM

    3- the translation is from shakir


    Well it's wrong. The verb "He fell" (Kharra) - can only refer to Sulayman as it is a masculine word - the stick (Minsa'a) is feminine. Even the 'creature - daba - is feminine - so it really can only be Sulayman and so it should be "He" and not "it". I'm surprised Shakir got this wrong - and surprised no-one else has seen it before!

    فَلَمَّا قَضَيْنَا عَلَيْهِ الْمَوْتَ مَا دَلَّهُمْ عَلَىٰ مَوْتِهِ إِلَّا دَابَّةُ الْأَرْضِ تَأْكُلُ مِنْسَأَتَهُ فَلَمَّا خَرَّ تَبَيَّنَتِ الْجِنُّ أَنْ لَوْ كَانُوا يَعْلَمُونَ الْغَيْبَ مَا لَبِثُوا فِي الْعَذَابِ الْمُهِينِ ﴿٤١
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #170 - February 09, 2010, 12:02 AM

    ''Well it's wrong. The verb "He fell" Kharra - can only refer to Sulayman as it is a masculine word - the stick Minsa'a is feminine.''

    OK cool. But still whateva mate  Wink

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #171 - February 09, 2010, 12:04 AM

    The last couple of days the issue of tolerance has been playing on my mind

    You are right, and I warned you about this when you first posted as I knew this would happen, I think I told you to take critisicm with a pinch of salt or something like that, and you said dont worry, you would.

    Look its an exmuslim forum where all of the exmuslims have suffered rejection and non acceptance from fellow muslims.  As a fellow hadith rejector, you will understand where we are coming from if you are open about it.

    There is a lot of in built hatred, that you will have to learn to excuse, but rest assured little of it is meant - most of us still have parents, siblings that are still muslims

    I find a wider problem is its perception by the world at large.  This is where I believe you should really be worrying and focusing- perhaps even start a thread on it here to guage views.  

    Double standards by the Ummah is now recognised by non-muslims, not just by the liberal part of the community as was the case when we were kids, and this is having a domino affect on how they are treated.  Sometimes overly exaggerated (I think the cherie booth thread here is a classic example)

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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #172 - February 09, 2010, 12:04 AM


    Hassan,
    I think young people make up their own minds - teenagers often do not listen to their parents and in fact they often like to do the opposite of what their parents tell them. Indeed most of us make up our minds about religion once we reach a certain age regardless with what we have been 'indoctrinated' with when we were children - even you became much stronger in faith when you were much older (20?).  As long as we don't force our children to believe in anything one way or the other then I don't see the problem. Every individual has the intelligence to make up their own minds no matter what they were taught when they were children - a lot of them still don't belive in Santa Claus when they grow up.

    We all want what's best for our children - therefore since I believe in Islam I will teach my children about the religion - they are then free to make up their own mind as I am sure they no doubt will once they reach a certain age no matter what advice I have given them. Is it right for you to suggest I am 'poisoning their minds'? I see a lot of good in Islam and I want my children to grow up to be good people - so once again am I poisoning their minds by teaching them about Islam?

    The last couple of days the issue of tolerance has been playing on my mind (In fact I probably over-reacted to a little comment that Billy made earlier today that in retrospect I had little cause to - sorry Billy) and it's probably the reason why I have been a bit fiesty on here the last two days. But I do sometimes feel Islam is not offered the same tolerance that other people expect for themselves. Most Muslims live peacefully and are good people and we are a reflection of Islam - so how would ridding the world of Islam make it a better place? surely it would be incredibly naive to think this?



    I'll respond to this later - going to bed now lol
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #173 - February 09, 2010, 12:11 AM

    yeah me too. Hass - you crazy.  far away hug

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #174 - February 09, 2010, 12:15 AM

    3- The verse from the Quran is:
    ''But when We decreed death for him, naught showed them his death but a creature of the earth that ate away his staff; and when it fell down, the jinn came to know plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in abasing torment.''

    It appears it's not even clear that he was leaning on his stick - I'm not sure exactly what the verse is saying.


    You know, maybe it's not talking about Sulayman's walking stick at all, maybe it's talking about his other -you know- "stick" and the Djinn certainly knew that Sulayman was dead when his "stick" fell off, because some worms were eating away on it..

    Just saying  bunny

    Dirty Allah, always good for some dirty joke  Cheesy
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #175 - February 09, 2010, 12:16 AM

     Cheesy

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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #176 - February 09, 2010, 07:39 AM

    lol @ NineBerry
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #177 - February 09, 2010, 09:39 AM

    You know, maybe it's not talking about Sulayman's walking stick at all, maybe it's talking about his other -you know- "stick" and the Djinn certainly knew that Sulayman was dead when his "stick" fell off, because some worms were eating away on it..

    Just saying  bunny

    Dirty Allah, always good for some dirty joke  Cheesy

    Maybe Tailor can add this to his list of metaphors and his sufi tantric sex collection - I think this one should go under Chapter 10 - King Sulayman and his Withering Stick

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  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #178 - February 09, 2010, 10:02 AM

     Cheesy
  • Re: The Story of Sulayman
     Reply #179 - February 09, 2010, 11:21 AM

    Wonderful thread., very educational.,  this is one 12 pages of a forum I ever read all replies in one sit without going around.  Thank you Hassan., Any way just for the readers let me recap what actually Quran said about Prophet Sulayman of Quran  or    King Solomon from the Bible. All the verses are from Shakir's translation  as I believe his translation is closer to Arabic thinking over that of Abdullah Yusuf Ali  of India or Mohammed  Pickthall of England who converted in to Islam in 1917 translated Quran in 1930s  again his Islamic educations comes from old  India.

    Any way here are the verses
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    002.102: And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this.

    004.163: Surely We have revealed to you as We revealed to Nuh, and the prophets after him, and We revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Haroun and Sulaiman and We gave to Dawood


    006.084: And We gave to him Ishaq and Yaqoub; each did We guide, and Nuh did We guide before, and of his descendants, Dawood and Sulaiman and Ayub and Yusuf and Haroun; and thus do We reward those who do good (to others).

    021.078: And Dawood and Sulaiman when they gave judgment concerning the field when the people's sheep pastured therein by night, and We were bearers of witness to their judgment.

    021.079: So We made Sulaiman to understand it; and to each one We gave wisdom and knowledge; and We made the mountains, and the birds to celebrate Our praise with Dawood; and We were the doers.


    021.081: And (We made subservient) to Sulaiman the wind blowing violent, pursuing its course by his command to the land which We had blessed, and We are knower of ail things.

    027.016: And Sulaiman was Dawood's heir, and he said: O men! we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given all things; most surely this is manifest grace.

    027.017: And his(Sulaiman) hosts of the jinn and the men and the birds were gathered to him(Sulaiman), and they were formed into groups.

    027.018: Until when they came to the valley of the Naml, a Namlite said: O Naml! enter your houses, (that) Sulaiman and his hosts may not crush you while they do not know.

    027.019: So he (Sulaiman) smiled, wondering at her word, and said: My Lord! grant me that I should be grateful for Thy favor which Thou hast bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I should do good such as Thou art pleased with, and make me enter, by Thy mercy, into Thy servants, the good ones.

    27.027: (Sulaiman) He said: We will see whether you have told the truth or whether you are of the liars:

    027.030: Surely it is from Sulaiman, and surely it is in the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful;

    027.036: So when he came to Sulaiman, he said: What! will you help me with wealth? But what Allah has given me is better than what He has given you. Nay, you are exultant because of your present;

    027.040: One who had the knowledge of the Book said: I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye. Then when he saw it settled beside him, he (Sulaiman) said: This is of the grace of my Lord that He may try me whether I am grateful or ungrateful; and whoever is grateful, he is grateful only for his own soul, and whoever is ungrateful, then surely my Lord is Self-sufficient, Honored.

    027.042: So when she came, it was said: Is your throne like this? She said: It is as it were the same, and(Solomon said) we were given the knowledge before it, and we were submissive.

    027.044: It was said to her: Enter the palace; but when she saw it she deemed it to be a great expanse of water, and bared her legs. He said: Surely it is a palace made smooth with glass. She said: My Lord! surely I have been unjust to myself, and I submit with Sulaiman to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

    034.012: And (We made) the wind (subservient) to Sulaiman, which made a month's journey in the morning and a month's journey m the evening, and We made a fountain of molten copper to flow out for him, and of the jinn there were those who worked before him by the command of his Lord; and whoever turned aside from Our command from among them, We made him taste of the punishment of burning.

    034.014: But when We decreed death for him(Solomon's) , naught showed them his death but a creature of the earth that ate away his staff; and when it fell down, the jinn came to know plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in abasing torment.

    038.030 : And We gave to Dawood Sulaiman, most excellent the servant! Surely he was frequent in returning (to Allah).

    038.034: And certainly We tried Sulaiman, and We put on his throne a (mere) body, so he turned (to Allah).

      one has to be carefully reading Quran and it is must to read few verses above and below the verse of interest to make some sense out of it. Another problem one faces often understanding these statements is this "He Said., She Said,  Who said " business ,  it is hard to figure out who is saying what and  to who.. hence it is must to read more than one time and think a bit to make any sense of what it is saying ans why it is saying at that time of alleged revelation from Allah to Mr. Muhammad.

    again nice reading this whole thread dear friends..

    with best
    yeezevee

     

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