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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #60 - February 06, 2010, 08:47 AM
    Quote from: RIBS on February 06, 2010, 08:39 AM
    of course I do, incest is morally wrong as eating babies for breakfast..., I don't mind if you guys don't see incest as wrong. If you see that it is ok to fuck your sister, I am sure it is ok for you to do other peoples wives and girlfriends. I can never look at a wife or a girlfriend when she is in a relationship, firstly because I am happily married, and even if I was single, engaging in a relation with a married woman, I participated in cheating the husband. I wouldn't do that. And I am sorry you think that I am strange or weird, because now in my eyes you guys who are pro-incest are the weirdest of all!  finmad


    I think you are exagerating RIBS..

    1.  Incest cannot be compared to eating babies because theoretically if an incestuous couple engages in the practice voluntarily and privately and there is no grooming they are not hurting anyone, while eating babies involves harming another human.

    2. No one here is pro incest, (I hope not at least).  Some people are arguing that people who want to do it should be allowed to do it in the privacy of their own homes, not that they want to be allowed to do it.

    My only issue with decriminalising incest is the fact that it would allow paedophile parents or abusive sibblings to groom other members of the family more easily.  Other than that I couldn't give a toss about what people shag.  I know what I am attracted to and what I like and don't like and that's that.  It's not as if the law has stopped incest or any other weird relationship from happening anyway.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #61 - February 06, 2010, 09:35 AM
    Exagerating? I guess that infamous thread will just show religious people their evidence that without religion there can be no morals.  Huh?
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #62 - February 06, 2010, 09:42 AM
    Quote from: RIBS on February 06, 2010, 09:35 AM
    Exagerating? I guess that infamous thread will just show religious people their evidence that without religion there can be no morals.  Huh?


    Yes but those people were not arguing that they wanted to practice it themselves, rather it was the justification of such practices being illegal and immoral while others are not.  In a way its quite healthy to analyse as to why certain things are abhorrent and it also gives us a chance to get some insight as to how our perception of morality might have come about.  First we should have started a thread to investigate how our morals and those of religion came about before tackling a subject like that.

    If it hadn't turned into a slagging match, it could have helped us solidify our values based on reason not on the dictations of some ancient prophet.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #63 - February 06, 2010, 09:48 AM
    Quote from: ras111 on February 06, 2010, 09:42 AM
    Yes but those people were not arguing that they wanted to practice it themselves, rather it was the justification of such practices being illegal and immoral while others are not.  In a way its quite healthy to analyse as to why certain things are abhorrent and it also gives us a chance to get some insight as to how our perception of morality might have come about.   First we should have started a thread to investigate how our morals and those of religion came about before tackling a subject like that.

    If it hadn't turned into a slagging match, it could have helped us solidify our values based on reason not on the dictations of some ancient prophet.


    I agree.  Even if the subject was difficult to look at, it was in interesting thread.

    RIBS, don't you think the anal sex thread was also something muslims would have used against us as a sign of our immmorality?
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #64 - February 06, 2010, 11:28 AM
    Quote from: RIBS on February 06, 2010, 08:39 AM
    of course I do, incest is morally wrong as eating babies for breakfast..., I don't mind if you guys don't see incest as wrong. If you see that it is ok to fuck your sister, I am sure it is ok for you to do other peoples wives and girlfriends. I can never look at a wife or a girlfriend when she is in a relationship, firstly because I am happily married, and even if I was single, engaging in a relation with a married woman, I participated in cheating the husband. I wouldn't do that. And I am sorry you think that I am strange or weird, because now in my eyes you guys who are pro-incest are the weirdest of all!  finmad


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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #65 - February 06, 2010, 10:33 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on February 06, 2010, 09:35 AM
    Exagerating? I guess that infamous thread will just show religious people their evidence that without religion there can be no morals.  Huh?

    Are you saying I have no morals?
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #66 - February 07, 2010, 10:49 AM
    This thread is not what it seems.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #67 - February 07, 2010, 07:19 PM
    Quote from: Naerys on February 07, 2010, 10:49 AM
    This thread is not what it seems.


    This thread is totally ridiculous and was apparently a way to continue the personal insults and round and round discussion of an issue that will never be resolved b/t certain people in the thread that was locked under an ostensibly different topic. 
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #68 - February 07, 2010, 07:27 PM
    Quote from: Manat on February 07, 2010, 07:19 PM
    This thread is totally ridiculous and was apparently a way to continue the personal insults and round and round discussion of an issue that will never be resolved b/t certain people in the thread that was locked under an ostensibly different topic. 

    Absolutely agreed - it was childish & ignorant attempt at that too.. shame on you RIBS, I gave you the benefit of the doubt but I was wrong.  Particularly when you didnt even bother to share you voice on that thread or understand their viewpoint (if you did then you will have noticed it nothing to do with lack of morality), and then pulled this thread out of no where to discredit those that were against.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #69 - February 07, 2010, 07:54 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 07, 2010, 07:27 PM
    Absolutely agreed - it was childish & ignorant attempt at that too.. shame on you RIBS, I gave you the benefit of the doubt but I was wrong.  Particularly when you didnt even bother to share you voice on that thread or understand their viewpoint (if you did then you will have noticed it nothing to do with lack of morality), and then pulled this thread out of no where to discredit those that were against.


    Islame, you don't have the right to call my post childish and ignorant, you just don't. I have participated in that awful thread and I expressed my views very clearly. I know for sure that incest is something that I would never approve of. I am sorry that you don't accept my views on incest. For me incest is a red zone! I was shocked to hear that many of you are actually pro incest, at the begining I really thought you guys were fooling around, but when some one says that it is ok for him to bang his sister, then that is when I draw the line.

    Actually, from now on I might not feel comfortable coming back to this forum as frequent as I was. So if I don't come back again, all I wanna say is this: it is been pleasure discussing religion with many good members and I am sure I will miss them.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #70 - February 07, 2010, 07:58 PM
    No way RIBS   no don't let the views of some members make you leave.  Not everyone has said they were ok with it, only liberated said he would be fine with doing it, all the rest said they simply thought it shouldn't be illegal, but they wouldn't do it.

    It's a difficult subject, believe me, at one stage I wanted to kick my pc  Cheesy and I went to bed pissed off thinking about all the things I could have said, or should have said in that thread, but when I woke up I realised it wasn't even important to me.

    I for one would be very sad to see you reduce your forum time over this one thing.  Cry
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #71 - February 07, 2010, 08:07 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on February 07, 2010, 07:54 PM
    For me incest is a red zone! I was shocked to hear that many of you are actually pro incest

    Oh come the fuck on RIBS do I have to repeat myself for the millionth time?

    Also don't leave. We like you here.
  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #72 - February 07, 2010, 08:18 PM
    I don't think it should be made legal, that would be too risky. But I do think cases should be allowed to go to appeal if they are genuine relationships (with many checks of course).

    If you wanna go RIBS then go, I'd be sorry to have you leave as you are a nice guy but if you're going to make unwarranted accusations against other members without bothering to properly understand their position on consentual sex in an extremely touchy subject then I don't have many sympathies for you leaving. It really is surprisingly ignorant of you.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #73 - February 07, 2010, 08:18 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on February 07, 2010, 07:54 PM
    Islame, you don't have the right to call my post childish and ignorant, you just don't. I have participated in that awful thread and I expressed my views very clearly. I know for sure that incest is something that I would never approve of. I am sorry that you don't accept my views on incest.

    The issue is not that I dont accept your views on consensual incest, its that you dont accept ours to a point where you believe we are morally bankrupt.
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    I was shocked to hear that many of you are actually pro incest

    No thats not true, and Ive said this time & time again.  We are talking about decriminalising consensual incest between adults.
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    at the begining I really thought you guys were fooling around, but when some one says that it is ok for him to bang his sister, then that is when I draw the line.

     
    even if they are pensioners, are you supporting sending them to jail?  Unless you are then I dont see how you can oppose what I am saying?
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    Actually, from now on I might not feel comfortable coming back to this forum as frequent as I was. So if I don't come back again, all I wanna say is this: it is been pleasure discussing religion with many good members and I am sure I will miss them.

    I know how you feel, and I was beginning to feel like that way too after the responses on this issue and how it was handled by the few.  

    Even if I totally disagree with you on this point and the way you went about discrediting the individuals who disagreed with you, that truely would be a shame, as you and your sense of humour have been an asset to this forum.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #74 - February 07, 2010, 09:00 PM

    Yeah RIBS stick around - please don't go.

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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #75 - February 07, 2010, 09:01 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on February 07, 2010, 07:54 PM
    Islame, you don't have the right to call my post childish and ignorant, you just don't. I have participated in that awful thread and I expressed my views very clearly. I know for sure that incest is something that I would never approve of. I am sorry that you don't accept my views on incest. For me incest is a red zone! I was shocked to hear that many of you are actually pro incest, at the begining I really thought you guys were fooling around, but when some one says that it is ok for him to bang his sister, then that is when I draw the line.

    Actually, from now on I might not feel comfortable coming back to this forum as frequent as I was. So if I don't come back again, all I wanna say is this: it is been pleasure discussing religion with many good members and I am sure I will miss them.


    Don't leave Ribs. And you are being unfair. You might disagree with somebody but that's no reason to call them immoral. I don't agree with them either, but I know they're not pro-incest. They're talking about a specific thing. In any case, it would suck if you left.

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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #76 - February 07, 2010, 09:39 PM
    Don't leave RIBS!!!  Cry

    I'm totally with you on how disgusting and morally reprehensible that topic was. Thats why I pushed for that shit to get locked. Its a damned embarrassment and those advocating for that shit should seriously check themselves before they wreck themselves. But remember RIBS that those opinions really don't go past their keyboards. I doubt anybody would accept that kind of nasty shit around their own friends and family in real life. And do you believe any of them would actually openly state those opinions among real life family or friends? Please just treat it as a disgusting anamoly that it is and don't really take it too seriously.

    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #77 - February 07, 2010, 09:45 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 07, 2010, 09:39 PM
    And do you believe any of them would actually openly state those opinions among real life family or friends?

    Think again - I mentioned it to my wife and she was surprised that anybody here disagreed. 
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 07, 2010, 09:01 PM
    Don't leave Ribs. And you are being unfair. You might disagree with somebody but that's no reason to call them immoral. I don't agree with them either, but I know they're not pro-incest. They're talking about a specific thing.

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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #78 - February 07, 2010, 09:47 PM
    So you told your wife you'd be A-okay if your kids fucked each other? And she agreed? Bullshit.

    Mind you, me and you actually agreed on that thread. I have no issue with legalizing it. But it won't change a thing because in reality ME and YOU agree that shit is totally a No-No in our own families. Period.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #79 - February 07, 2010, 09:51 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 07, 2010, 09:45 PM
    Think again - I mentioned it to my wife and she was surprised that anybody here disagreed.  I totally love you for this post BD - you totally nailed it.  Now can I give you a BJ?  001_wub


    lol but... you are not my brother, how can that be OK?  Cheesy

    the incest jokes will die out.. eventually..
  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #80 - February 07, 2010, 09:54 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 07, 2010, 09:47 PM
    So you told your wife you'd be A-okay if your kids fucked each other?

    You asked me this question on that thread and I told you I would not be OK if my kids fucked each other.  So why are you insinuating that here? You're missing the point again, read BlackDogs post.  I am here talking about mutally consenting adults, not kids!
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    Mind you, me and you actually agreed on that thread. I have no issue with legalizing it. But it won't change a thing because in reality ME and YOU agree that shit is totally a No-No in our own families. Period.

    Then stop the flame war

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    And she agreed? Bullshit.

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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #81 - February 07, 2010, 09:59 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 07, 2010, 09:54 PM
    You asked me this question on that thread and I told you I would not be OK if my kids fucked each other.  So why are you insinuating that here? You're missing the point again, read BlackDogs post.  I am here talking about mutally consenting adults, not kids!Then stop the flame war
    Sigh


    Sorry, not "kids" but 17+ aged children of yours. My point is, you might accept it on a legal basis of mutually consenting adults... which I agree with. But you do not accept it in your own family. Which is more important than whatever our legal opinions are. After all, laws are usually a reflection of society's progress. Social acceptance of homosexuality is usually more important than legal acceptance. And I think its clear that society will never accept incest as an approved way of life or practice. Ever. Pretty much making legalizing such nonsense meaningless, since given society's prejudice no politician in his right mind would start banging on about legalizing incest. Unless of course he intends to lose all respect and votes in a hurry.

    And in this case thank Allah for society's prejudice.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #82 - February 07, 2010, 10:16 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 07, 2010, 09:59 PM
    Sorry, not "kids" but 17+ aged children of yours. My point is, you might accept it on a legal basis of mutually consenting adults... which I agree with. But you do not accept it in your own family.

    Agreed, I also do not accept swearing in my family.  By this logic, am I also inconsistant because I dont think swearing should be banned?

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    Which is more important than whatever our legal opinions are.

    Not really, the discussion here is an ethical one not how I parent.  You're making me repeat my arguments as you are not putting anything on the table to challenge them, just repeating the same points you made.  Nevertheless out of courtesy I will respond until you are able to empathise with my position, prove it wrong or even inconsistent.

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    And in this case thank Allah for society's prejudice.

    Not sure if Allah has anything to do with this particular prejudice.  Despite Allah, I suffer from the same prejudice too!
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #83 - February 07, 2010, 10:27 PM
    I don't consider it inconsistent, but I do consider it rather pointless. Its like me saying I'm totally okay with homosexuality being legalized and supporting gay marriage.. yet not wanting to have anything to do with homosexuality in my own family or friends. And comparing it to something minor like swearing is not really genuine. Its more comparable to hard drugs.

    And for me the argument is really not about the laws. Its about whether society should accept such a thing. Which is precisely what James and Liberated were arguing for (ie Liberated saying "i'm cool with my kids fucking each other") which is something neither you or Iraqi-Atheist were arguing for.

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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #84 - February 07, 2010, 11:13 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on February 05, 2010, 08:59 AM
    Ok picking after the "incest" thread, this obviously comes to mind. What you guys say bout cheating? Sleeping around while you are still in a relationship with another person?

    I would like to specifically hear from the people who are not opposing incest and think that it is OK!


    Personally I don't like to lie to people and go behind their backs.  That is why I make it very clear to someone I am in a serious relationship with that I have not the slightest interest or intention to practice monogamy.

    If other people lie to their partners about having sex with other people I don't have any opinion at all (though I may express one and call someone a "slut" or something, I can talk shit too, but I recognise it as shit). 

    I am interested in our species' sexual behaviour as it is an important part for understanding any species and interesting.  But I am not so interested in Tiger Wood's sex life, in his personal history, or in judging him.

    Sometimes intervention is provided by society for couples etc.  I would hope that such intervention does not seek to judge peoples' sexual preferences but rather focuses on the wellbeing of the individuals concerned.

    I would like society to be more accepting of the various types of sexual arrangements, as seems to be happening in many places.

    Some things like pedophilia definitely need intervention to prevent it from occurring due to the associated harm involved.  Yet allot off harm seems to be caused by peoples' prejudice of a practice rather than the practice itself.

    I think that being generally free to do as you please in society is important.  Sometimes people are in a bad situation or make harmful choices.  But people can learn from their experiences.  Society can provide support.  Society can promote education. Society can help empower people.  Society can intervene when abuse is taking place or is likely to.

    Deciding when to intervene and how is of cause complicated.  I think the only kind of prejudice that should be involved is such decisions is prejudice toward individuals' wellbeing and the wellbeing of society.

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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #85 - February 07, 2010, 11:20 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on February 05, 2010, 08:59 AM
    Ok picking after the "incest" thread, this obviously comes to mind. What you guys say bout cheating? Sleeping around while you are still in a relationship with another person?

    I would like to specifically hear from the people who are not opposing incest and think that it is OK!

    I think sleeping around while you are in a relationship is fine, if and only if both partners are aware of and have agreed to it happening. Otherwise it is too dishonest for my liking.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #86 - February 08, 2010, 12:09 AM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 07, 2010, 09:39 PM
    Its a damned embarrassment and those advocating for that shit should seriously check themselves before they wreck themselves.

    Thanks for the advice  Roll Eyes I have no moral compass without your guidance.
    But seriously Iblis, am I one of those you're referring to?

    Quote from: Iblis
    I don't consider it inconsistent, but I do consider it rather pointless. Its like me saying I'm totally okay with homosexuality being legalized and supporting gay marriage.. yet not wanting to have anything to do with homosexuality in my own family or friends.

    Pointless to you maybe but not to gay people.
  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #87 - February 08, 2010, 01:22 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 07, 2010, 09:47 PM
    So you told your wife you'd be A-okay if your kids fucked each other? And she agreed? Bullshit.

    Mind you, me and you actually agreed on that thread. I have no issue with legalizing it. But it won't change a thing because in reality ME and YOU agree that shit is totally a No-No in our own families. Period.

    Of course it wouldn't be seen as ok! Many cases do involve rape and so we have every right to find it reprehensible! It's not an attitude that's going to change just by reading one article. I'd find it difficult to accept if my kids were at it, I'd always worry how consensual it is and even if it was consensual (with both at mature ages) it is still hard to accept as it is hardly the norm. That does not make it wrong however, societies attitudes towards taboos don't dictate what's right and wrong.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #88 - February 08, 2010, 04:17 PM
    Ok, I'll bite. What determines right and wrong, if not society?
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #89 - February 08, 2010, 04:43 PM
    Mutual consent.  (or at least I thought this was the case for all of us until that thread turned up)
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