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 Topic: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!

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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #90 - February 08, 2010, 04:45 PM
    No I mean in general. Not just sexual activites.

    And why does even mutual consent determine right and wrong? What's wrong with force?
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #91 - February 08, 2010, 05:00 PM
    Your wife was really surprised that some people would be against it?   wacko    I mean seriously, the last taboo and it's surprising that people show why it's the last taboo through their reactions?

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #92 - February 08, 2010, 05:01 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 08, 2010, 04:45 PM
    No I mean in general. Not just sexual activites.

    And why does even mutual consent determine right and wrong? What's wrong with force?

    I was talking in general.

    The concept of Right and Wrong becomes a grey area when you throw those Divine Encyclopedias on Morality away.

    However I always felt the lowest common denominator is mutual consent. You can argue about everything on else on top.  That is the reason why that topic was so important for me.  Mutual consent is ethically sacrecent and fundamental to me.

    That is why all those dissenters need to explain how they derive their ethical constructs if they dont follow this one to the letter, otherwise it appears their other positions are highly flaky & hypocritical too.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #93 - February 08, 2010, 05:05 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 08, 2010, 05:00 PM
    Your wife was really surprised that some people would be against it?   wacko    I mean seriously, the last taboo and it's surprising that people show why it's the last taboo through their reactions?

    Yep, I must admit I was surprised that she was surprised.  In fact I think she was less predjudiced than me about it..
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #94 - February 08, 2010, 05:09 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 08, 2010, 05:01 PM
    I was talking in general.

    The concept of Right and Wrong becomes a grey area when you throw those Divine Encyclopedias on Morality away.

    However I always felt the lowest common denominator is mutual consent. You can argue about everything on else on top.  That is the reason why that topic was so important for me.  Mutual consent is ethically sacrecent and fundamental to me.

    That is why all those dissenters need to explain how they derive their ethical constructs if they dont follow this one to the letter, otherwise it appears their other positions are highly flaky & hypocritical too.


    You still haven't explained to me why you consider mutual consent to be the determinant of right and wrong.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #95 - February 08, 2010, 05:19 PM
    Because the concept of right and wrong no longer applies for me, there are few absolutes with that book of morality.  It always a matter of context, thus mutual consent is a better replacement.  So this is how I see it, rightly or wrongly.  Now let me know how you decide?
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #96 - February 08, 2010, 05:23 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 08, 2010, 05:19 PM
    Because the concept of right and wrong no longer applies for me, there are few absolutes with that book of morality.  It always a matter of context, thus mutual consent is a better replacement.  So this is how I see it, rightly or wrongly.  Now let me know how you decide?


    I don't believe in right and wrong either.  Smiley

    But my question is why is mutual consent something you choose as a better replacement? And why should or why does society accept it as a better replacement?

    And at the end of the day, the foundation of a ones morality is almost always subjective. You value freedom above all else, and there's no logical way to justify it other than it feels good to you.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #97 - February 08, 2010, 05:57 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 08, 2010, 05:23 PM
    I don't believe in right and wrong either.  Smiley

    But my question is why is mutual consent something you choose as a better replacement?

    Because it works better, more consistant, reliable and makes far fewer (if any) errors.

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    And why should or why does society accept it as a better replacement?

     
    because its democratic, and is addressed at those people it affects - who better to judge right and wrong.
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    And at the end of the day, the foundation of a ones morality is almost always subjective.

    morality is a word I want to ignore from any discussion - its defunct and I threw it away with the Quran.  The word is beginning to make me cringe, in the same way as the word unnatural.

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    You value freedom above all else

    Do I?
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    and there's no logical way to justify it other than it feels good to you.

    just tried my best, perhaps with more time I could try to do a better job.

    Now how about you? You've heard my stance, whats yours ??
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #98 - February 08, 2010, 06:06 PM
    I don't have any stance, because I don't pretend like any that actually means anything. It doesn't. Smiley

    If this were medieval times we'd be fucking our slaves and looting the defeated in a tribal war. So really.. morality changes, and doesn't really mean a damned thing. We do what our society and culture dictates, our claims to ideology and elaborate reasoning are just illusions.

    I am a product of the times, and of the conflicting influences from western and muslim culture. 99% of people have no philosophy that dictates their sense of right and wrong, only societal pressures and human instinct.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #99 - February 08, 2010, 06:17 PM
    As far as I'm concerned there are only two moral absolutes:

    1. Don't fuck over family and friends
    2. Don't rat to the authorities for personal benefit or to save your own skin, and (as per #1) don't rat out friends, family, or comrades for any reason whatsoever (the sole exception is if they are harming another friend, family or comrade and there is no other option but ratting to correct it).

    The rest of my moral/ethical code is relative to the situation at hand.

    Not harming other people (strangers) who don't deserve it comes pretty close to being an absolute, but under certain circumstances I could see violating even that one. It holds 99% of the time, but it's not absolute.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #100 - February 08, 2010, 06:20 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on February 08, 2010, 06:17 PM
    1. Don't fuck over family and friends
    2. Don't rat to the authorities for personal benefit or to save your own skin, and (as per #1) don't rat out friends, family, or comrades for any reason whatsoever


    What if ratting out people enlarges your wallet? Smiley

    I would sell my sister into slavery for an Xbox. Smiley Smiley
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #101 - February 08, 2010, 06:25 PM
    Think that counts as "personal benefit", Iblis.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #102 - February 08, 2010, 08:18 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 08, 2010, 04:17 PM
    Ok, I'll bite. What determines right and wrong, if not society?

    I was talking specifically about taboos as bias can alter peoples perception of 'right' and 'wrong'. Morality in general is hard to define as it is basically relative. Democracy is probably the best way to decide a general code, but it's not without it's flaws.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #103 - February 08, 2010, 09:25 PM
    No-one mentioned the Golden Rule too, so let me slip that in here.  "Treat others like you would like to be treated" covered most of right & wrong issues too, without needing to resort to the words Immoral/Unnatural  Dun Dun Daaaaaa witch
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #104 - February 08, 2010, 10:41 PM
    Alot of people saying they don't believe in right or wrong, moral or immoral... I'm assuming what those people actually mean is that they don't believe that any particular action is absolutely right/wrong in every single situation? Or something like that, anyway. It's just that, it seems to me that to say you don't believe in right or wrong is basically saying you don't believe murder is wrong or rape is wrong....
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #105 - February 08, 2010, 10:48 PM
    No I don't believe murder and rape are universally wrong. We're all a product of murder or rape at some point in our evolutionary lineage. Well a lot of us are. Rape and murder are perfectly natural activities that we've been doing for a long time. I just don't happen to approve of it, because thats not a type of society I'd like to live in.

    However, maybe 1000 years ago I would have thought differently. Maybe even dabbled in it a bit myself.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #106 - February 08, 2010, 10:50 PM
    Wow that sounded terrible. :-S
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #107 - February 08, 2010, 10:55 PM
    The problem with that way of thinking Iblis is the fact that you can use cultural relativity to justify anything. Why should we criticise parts of Africa for using gang-rape as a social activity? It's normal for them.


    Evolution shaped our morality. That's where the concept arose from. Humans survive better in groups then individually. We criticise rape because it disturbs the group harmony. Of course it's slightly more complex then that as more evolutionary principles are involved.
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #108 - February 08, 2010, 11:07 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on February 08, 2010, 10:55 PM
    The problem with that way of thinking Iblis is the fact that you can use cultural relativity to justify anything. Why should we criticise parts of Africa for using gang-rape as a social activity? It's normal for them.


    Of course we can condemn them using precisely that cultural relativity. That is that western society is better and provides a higher quality of living than their way of life and they are better off ditching those social norms. And lots of Africans there (just like us ex muslims) would agree with that. In history certain beacons of civilization and culture always dragged the rest of humanity forward. It was never some detached philosophical thinking that brought about change. Society progressing and accepting different paradigms is what caused shifts in what we considered acceptable or not.

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    Evolution shaped our morality. That's where the concept arose from. Humans survive better in groups then individually. We criticise rape because it disturbs the group harmony. Of course it's slightly more complex then that as more evolutionary principles are involved.


    Evolution partly shaped our morality. Human experience and cultural evolution also shaped morality. And using evolution to justify certain moral aspects is a very dangerous route.. I can justify all manners of racist and genocidal programs using evolution. We are not and shouldn't be bound by evolution.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Cheating on your BF, GF, Hubby, Missus!
     Reply #109 - February 09, 2010, 12:17 AM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 08, 2010, 11:07 PM
    Of course we can condemn them using precisely that cultural relativity. That is that western society is better and provides a higher quality of living than their way of life and they are better off ditching those social norms. And lots of Africans there (just like us ex muslims) would agree with that. In history certain beacons of civilization and culture always dragged the rest of humanity forward. It was never some detached philosophical thinking that brought about change. Society progressing and accepting different paradigms is what caused shifts in what we considered acceptable or not.



    That sounds more like abandoning moral relativity rather than using moral relativity to condemn unfavourable practices in other cultures.
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