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  • BBC: Generation Jihad
     OP - February 10, 2010, 07:25 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPpdhdcWIHo

    The other parts are in the video responses section...
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #1 - February 10, 2010, 07:39 PM
    it was on last night, my brother called me to watch it, but I didnt bother..
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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #2 - February 10, 2010, 07:42 PM
    I'm not in the mood to watch it right now. These progammes make me angry.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #3 - February 10, 2010, 07:47 PM
    It seems to be right down your alley Billy. But yeah, it'll piss you off. Some serious cro-magnons featured in that.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #4 - February 10, 2010, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 10, 2010, 07:42 PM
    I'm not in the mood to watch it right now. These progammes make me angry.

    Me too.. fill me with despair
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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #5 - February 10, 2010, 07:52 PM
    Watching this over lunch, done half of it.. damn the UK is fuuuucked up LOL

    Why are UK Muslims so fucking angry???
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #6 - February 10, 2010, 07:53 PM
    Yep, sure is
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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #7 - February 10, 2010, 07:53 PM
    I'll watch it soon. I just want to chill for a few days and I know that it'll put me in a bad mood. I've bookmarked it and will watch it next week sometime. Thanks for posting.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #8 - February 10, 2010, 07:55 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 10, 2010, 07:52 PM
    Watching this over lunch, done half of it.. damn the UK is fuuuucked up LOL

    Why are UK Muslims so fucking angry???


    I wrote a whole thread about it. They're not angry. They are just drunk on the hatred of Ummah supremacy and Maududi-ism, Muslim Brotherhood and Jamaat-e-Islaami shite, and Bin Ladenism and jihadism.

    Not all, of course. The majority are not. But significant numbers are alcoholics of all of the above.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #9 - February 10, 2010, 07:57 PM
    But why aren't Canadian Muslims like this? I have literally never seen Canadian Muslim behaving like this even at their worst. The lunatic fringe in the UK is epic.

    I think will re-explore that thread of yours. What a fucked up bunch.  wacko
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #10 - February 10, 2010, 08:02 PM
    That's really weird because the first time I came accross "Maududis" and "Jamaat-e-Islami" was when I came accross "Moderate Muslims" for the first time in my life. I had a problem with them for being too modern, but they said they were Jamaat-e-Islami...

    Fanatical organizations to me means Hizb-ut-Tahrir (which I largely encountered on the internet) and the predominantly deobandi communities where I used to live that were full of love and admiration for the Taliban.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #11 - February 10, 2010, 08:49 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 10, 2010, 07:57 PM
    But why aren't Canadian Muslims like this? I have literally never seen Canadian Muslim behaving like this even at their worst. The lunatic fringe in the UK is epic.

    I think will re-explore that thread of yours. What a fucked up bunch.  wacko


    You have some jihadis who were jailed recently for a bomb plot.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #12 - February 10, 2010, 08:50 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on February 10, 2010, 08:02 PM
    That's really weird because the first time I came accross "Maududis" and "Jamaat-e-Islami" was when I came accross "Moderate Muslims" for the first time in my life. I had a problem with them for being too modern, but they said they were Jamaat-e-Islami...

    Fanatical organizations to me means Hizb-ut-Tahrir (which I largely encountered on the internet) and the predominantly deobandi communities where I used to live that were full of love and admiration for the Taliban.


    Maududi worshippers and Jamaat-e-Islami laid the fertile soil upon which the jihadis easily grew.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #13 - February 10, 2010, 09:25 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 10, 2010, 07:57 PM
    But why aren't Canadian Muslims like this? I have literally never seen Canadian Muslim behaving like this even at their worst. The lunatic fringe in the UK is epic.


    Haha the Toronto 18 fags lived a few blocks from me man! these kids are fucking stupid. had their beards and their women in burkas, hanged out a a mosque all day long with other jihadis. fucking idiots.
    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #14 - February 10, 2010, 10:25 PM
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    Haha the Toronto 18 fags lived a few blocks from me man! these kids are fucking stupid. had their beards and their women in burkas, hanged out a a mosque all day long with other jihadis. fucking idiots.

     

    Jihadism / Maududi-ism, Ummah Supremacism is like a virus. Societies like Canada and America shouldn't be complacent about it in their Muslim communities. I have noticed sometimes that Americans / Canucks will sort of say, why is it so bad in Britain, we don't have that problem, we are innoculated against it because our society is like this, and our Muslim community is more integrated,  and so on and so forth.

    Well, its probably true that you don't have that problem to the same extent yet. But there are signs that American Muslims are catching this disease. And Canada cannot assume that it is safe from it, because of X or Y reasons, because its self image is that Muslims can never be like British Muslim ingrates and murderous extremists. Its already happened there. You cannot be sure it won't happen again, or that it won't grow.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #15 - February 10, 2010, 10:33 PM
    Quote from: canex on February 10, 2010, 09:25 PM
    Haha the Toronto 18 fags lived a few blocks from me man! these kids are fucking stupid. had their beards and their women in burkas, hanged out a a mosque all day long with other jihadis. fucking idiots.


    Oh yeah! I remember those fuckers. Whatever happened to them? Wasn't one of them planning to behead Stephen Harper or something? LOL
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #16 - February 10, 2010, 10:58 PM
    What a depressing video, it is so sad that many of our nation's youths, the leaders of tomorrow are lulled to extremism and violence by religious extremists, racial extremists, political extremists and others.

    Tragic.
    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #17 - February 17, 2010, 05:31 PM
    I watched this last night, and one thing struck me,
    I don't think the theology part is at much importance to them. It is more of a "worldly" tribalistic kind of thing that seems to motivate, much like in the style of the kkk.
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #18 - February 17, 2010, 05:36 PM
    Yeah, no doubt. It's bizzare how they constantly refer to their "people" as Muslims around the world. It is very similar to white supremacist groups because it's rooted in a similar naive and idealistic conception of what "their people" constitute. I think they are more comparable to white nationalist groups like the Aryan Nations rather than KKK since the KKK are more localized hill billies. It's rooted in this massive generalization of what "us" means, for these it's all Musulmans, the "ummah" and for the White nationalists it's the white race.

    And it's a similar demographic that seems to be provide the foot soldiers for both movements.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #19 - February 18, 2010, 12:28 AM
    Watching Episode 2 now..

    Part 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9C7WY8NiHY
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #20 - February 18, 2010, 01:10 AM
    I have to say I respect drive, commitment and hard work of some of these jihadis. Imagine if they exerted those efforts and passion into something positive and real - these young men could accomplish and contribute so much. Islam really does inhibit the professional and intellectual growth of the Muslim male.

    And for me those Canadian boys really fucking scared me. Those guys were serious and came pretty damn close.  wacko

    Thank you so much CSIS.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #21 - February 18, 2010, 07:38 AM
    I personally know a totally insane jihadi guy - a British born Pakistani. He is a completely deluded, self-victimized individual, a true psychotic that belongs to a mental institution. He is one of those gangsta wannabe losers who hate everybody, especially themselves and think the world owes them something. Basically the space he occupies could and should be taken by more advanced life forms - bacteria, amoebas and such.The guy is a bullying and abusive cunt - not just towards non-Muslims but bizarrely also towards other Muslims he considers inferior (they are not not devoted enough I guess). His knowledge of Islam is limited to a few phrases he picked up from other jihadis - I sincerely doubt he can read at all. He is basically a walking advertisement for use of contraceptives.
  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #22 - February 18, 2010, 10:57 AM

    Kenan - I have known quite a few people who are exactly like the guy you describe, and even some that have 'milder' manifestations of that. You can see them all the time in the media, online, too.

    I have some ideas about where this comes from.

    I still haven't got round to watching this show. I will do, though.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #23 - February 18, 2010, 11:29 AM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 10:57 AM
    I have some ideas about where this comes from.

    I suspect it might be an identity thing. He is a total loser and I suppose that belonging to a group that is seen as tough and dangerous gives him a sense of pride and a bit of self esteem he severely lacks.

    Like I said he is British born and bizarrely considers himself to be "English"; he thinks that he is superior to fresh Pakistani/Afganistani/Somali etc. immigrants. Once he even told me to fuck off back to "my country".





  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #24 - February 18, 2010, 11:33 AM
    Quote from: Kenan on February 18, 2010, 07:38 AM
    I personally know a totally insane jihadi guy - a British born Pakistani. He is a completely deluded, self-victimized individual, a true psychotic that belongs to a mental institution. He is one of those gangsta wannabe losers who hate everybody, especially themselves and think the world owes them something. Basically the space he occupies could and should be taken by more advanced life forms - bacteria, amoebas and such.The guy is a bullying and abusive cunt - not just towards non-Muslims but bizarrely also towards other Muslims he considers inferior (they are not not devoted enough I guess). His knowledge of Islam is limited to a few phrases he picked up from other jihadis - I sincerely doubt he can read at all. He is basically a walking advertisement for use of contraceptives.

    Sadly I agree, and its exactly how i see it too  Cry
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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #25 - February 18, 2010, 11:41 AM
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    I suspect it might be an identity thing. He is a total loser and I suppose that belonging to a group that is seen as tough and dangerous gives him a sense of pride and a bit of self esteem he severely lacks.

    Like I said he is British born and bizarrely considers himself to be "English"; he thinks that he is superior to fresh Pakistani/Afganistani/Somali etc. immigrants. Once he even told me to fuck off back to "my country".


    Yeah it is an identity thing, but its more specific than that.

    Do you remember doing chemistry at school and there was this thing you used to do about how when two elements are combined they create apeshit crazy results? Its like that. As children they are raised in a Muslim household where even at the most moderate they will be encouraged to view the world in very binary terms of Kuffar v Momin, the moral corruption of the non Islamic society. They'll have been raised with a basic moral framework that they will have just picked up tacitly, if nothing else, which places Muslim men as the highpoint of a hierarchical scale, underneath them are Muslim women, underneath them are non Muslim men, and beneath them, the lowest of the low, kuffar women.

    Release that mindset into a liberal secular society that aspires to equality of men and women, and aspires to the (non political) benefits of cosmopolitanism and multi-culturalism (ie: all people no matter what their race or religion are equal - meaning Islam is no better than, say, Judaism or Hinduism or even Rastafarians), and you have the recipe for immense neurosis and anxiety and cognitive dissonance brewing between reality, and what they have been raised to believe, the atmospherics they have absorbed.

    Add the hysterical victimhood culture of hardcore Islamist resentment and supremacist ideology, groups of others who have the same neurosis and notions as you to create a self-perpetuating echo chamber, and you have the chemical elements that spit, rage and explode in the heads of these pitiful men.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #26 - February 18, 2010, 12:12 PM
    Post of the month  Afro

    do you think anything can be done to stop this?
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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #27 - February 18, 2010, 12:18 PM
    actually i think the hierarchy is like this:

    Pious muslim men
    Muslim men
    Muslim women
    Kuffar men
    Kuffar women
    Gay Kafiroon
    Jews
    Gay Muslims (astaghfirullah!)

    **Update & amend as necessary
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  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #28 - February 18, 2010, 12:22 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 18, 2010, 12:12 PM
    Post of the month  Afro

    +1

    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 11:41 AM
    As children they are raised in a Muslim household where even at the most moderate they will be encouraged to view the world in very binary terms of Kuffar v Momin, the moral corruption of the non Islamic society.

    This is the core problem. But can you imagine somebody raising this issue in public? No way! Because this would "hurt the inter-community relations".  vomit
  • Re: BBC: Generation Jihad
     Reply #29 - February 18, 2010, 04:15 PM

    The other thing is that this hierarchy that they are made to believe is their due is not just an aspect of group bias - it is a divinely ordained fact - the natural balance of the universe as told to them by Mo and Allah. Already, they are in a state of grievance, because the natural universal chain upon which they sit astride is, well, not there in reality.

    The effects of this, the cumulative effect, is incredibly distressing on the psyche of many Muslim men. Grievance hunting begins when they see that the world refutes the natural order of things - and together with many other different things, it leads to rage, rage, hatred and never ending bottomless rage.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

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