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 Topic: The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History is out!!

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  • The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History is out!!
     OP - February 11, 2010, 01:24 PM

    http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Origins-Islam-Research-History/dp/1591026342

    It's written by Gerd-R Puin, this man:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1JsyFrpKg

    Gonna order this ASAP!
  • Re: The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History is out!!
     Reply #1 - February 11, 2010, 02:10 PM


    Wow! Good stuff BD, nice one  Afro

    +++++++


    Review
    "The scholarly basis of this important proposal [a new cultural interpretation of the rapid expansion of Islam in the 7th and 8th centuries CE] resides on the one hand on the observation that there is a striking lack of original written material which attests to the doctrine that we know today as Islam, from this early pre-Abbasid period. On the other it is underpinned by detailed study of the textual material which does derive from this era, as well as careful interpretation of the many written sources which became available after the beginning of the Abbasid ascendancy. However, if Islam during this era did not resemble what we know it as today, what was it? On this point the authors break unity, some giving bold, alternative interpretations, others working at the question from detailed, nuanced angles. What the current volume succeeds in doing is to refocus attention on [longstanding beliefs regarding the origins of Islam], and to situate the scholarly problem in very legitimate religious, political, cultural, and linguistic questions, within the context both of new scholarly interpretations and findings, and state of the art overviews of long-discussed issues...the prospect of bringing the two perspectives [traditional and new] together holds the promise of a lively, interesting and new chapter in western Islamic studies." --Arabica, Vol. 55, 2008
    Product Description
    The standard histories of Muhammad and the early development of Islam are based on Islamic literature that dates to the ninth and tenth centuries--some two centuries or more after the death of Muhammad in 632. Islamic literary sources do not exist for the seventh and eighth centuries, when, according to tradition, Muhammad and his immediate followers lived. All that is preserved from this time period are a few commemorative building inscriptions and assorted coins.

    Based on the premise that reliable history can only be written on the basis of sources that are contemporary with the events described, the contributors to this in-depth investigation present research that reveals the obscure origins of Islam in a completely new light. As the authors meticulously show, the name "Muhammad" first appears on coins in Syria bearing Christian iconography. In this context the name is used as an honorific meaning "revered" or "praiseworthy" and can only refer to Jesus Christ, as Christianity was the predominant religion of the area at this time. This same reference exists in the building inscription of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, built by the caliph `Abd al-Malik.

    The implication of these and other findings here presented is that the early Arab rulers adhered to a sect of Christianity. Indeed, evidence from the Koran, finalized at a much later time, shows that its central theological tenets were influenced by a pre-Nicean, Syrian Christianity. Linguistic analysis also indicates that Aramaic, the common language throughout the Near East for many centuries and the language of Syrian Christianity, significantly influenced the Arabic script and vocabulary used in the Koran. Finally, it was not until the end of the eighth and ninth centuries that Islam formed as a separate religion, and the Koran underwent a period of historical development of at least 200 years

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History is out!!
     Reply #2 - February 11, 2010, 02:12 PM


    Ziauddin Sardar's blood pressure is going to rocket when he sees this - those damn Orientalists!  Grin


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History is out!!
     Reply #3 - February 11, 2010, 02:23 PM

    The text on the dome of the rock does not match the text in the Quran is what I read from another site.

    Also I thought Ahmed meant praiseworthy?
  • Re: The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History is out!!
     Reply #4 - February 12, 2010, 07:54 AM

    Btw I would check out this Publisher for books on Islam:

    http://www.prometheusbooks.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=90_32

    So much I wanna read :(
  • Re: The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History is out!!
     Reply #5 - February 12, 2010, 08:56 AM

    Ziauddin Sardar's blood pressure is going to rocket when he sees this - those damn Orientalists!  Grin




    I wonder what he thinks about the scholars criticizing the historicity of Mohammed? Let alone the Quran.
  • Re: The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History is out!!
     Reply #6 - February 12, 2010, 09:12 AM

    It's such a shame that honest real academic research is not allowed to be conducted on these old fragments. Then we could have real conclusive evidence of the transformation of the Quran rather than the conspiracy-ish sounding video up top.

    That's not to say that I don't find the video convincing, i'm pretty certain the Quran has changed over time, I just find it sad that the Quran cannot be studied for studys sake.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History is out!!
     Reply #7 - February 12, 2010, 09:25 AM

    It's such a shame that honest real academic research is not allowed to be conducted on these old fragments. Then we could have real conclusive evidence of the transformation of the Quran rather than the conspiracy-ish sounding video up top.

    That's not to say that I don't find the video convincing, i'm pretty certain the Quran has changed over time, I just find it sad that the Quran cannot be studied for studys sake.


    I know what you mean. But it will come with time, unless they destroy the fragments. Sort of like *cough* Uthman did. Because *cough* there was not much difference really, it was just the dialect *cough*. See how the script back then did not have markers for the vowels I don't see how that would change anything script wise *clears throat*
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