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  • Question: Polygamy, with the consent and knowledge of all parties involved, should be  (Voting closed: February 18, 2010, 06:54 PM)
  • outlawed in all forms - 2 (10.5%)
  • decriminalized but with no legal recognition by the state - 4 (21.1%)
  • decriminalized and recognized under civil law - 13 (68.4%)
  • Total Voters: 19

 Topic: Polygamy

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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #30 - February 12, 2010, 05:43 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on February 12, 2010, 05:05 PM
    Should a man be allowed to have three women in his life as long as the women consent?  Of course,

    Quote from: Cheetah on February 12, 2010, 05:30 PM
    Good.  Let it stay forbidden.

    These two statements are contrary to each other.

    Quote from: Cheetah
    Which ones,

    Wyoming, Nebraska, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, and Massachusetts. They're the dark red ones on this map:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polygamy_laws_usa.png

    Quote from: Cheetah
    and what punishments do they use for cohabiting couples?

    A fine, imprisonment, or both.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_the_United_States#Polygamy_and_bigamy_laws_in_the_US
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #31 - February 12, 2010, 05:49 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on February 12, 2010, 05:05 PM
    The government has every right to regulate marriage because it gives tax breaks, social welfare breaks, inheritance rights and other perks to married couples.  Should a man be allowed to have three women in his life as long as the women consent?  Of course, and he already does, there is no law against it.  Should he get tax breaks for all three of them?  Fuck off!  The state's strapped enough for cash as it is. 



    So gays don't get married just for a tax break? Most folks scam the government anyway if they can get away with it. Everyone requires support to some extent and if there is a legitimate reason, then why should a government discriminate against a man who just happens to have more then one wife, i.e. it is his sexual preference. Or even a woman for that matter. Why not just say no one should get tax breaks just for being married?
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #32 - February 12, 2010, 05:52 PM
    If it goes both ways and is consensual then i think it's ok, but in practise polygamy is not always a woman loving two men and marrying them or a man loving two women but can also be them loving each other. Remember watching a documentary about different types of polygamy. Polygamy in Islam is certainly in my view sexist as it does not allow women to marry more than one even if Islam limits it to four, a lot of men reap the benefits while Muslim women suffer. However in a lot of cases regarding this a lot of the women have no say in who they marry whilst consensual polygamy/polyandry governed under civil law controls the practise.
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #33 - February 12, 2010, 05:53 PM
    Quote
    These two statements are contrary to each other.


    No, they're not contrary to each other.  A man can shack up with as many women as he likes, there is no need for any religious or civil recognition of it.

    Quote
    Wyoming, Nebraska, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, and Massachusetts. They're the dark red ones on this map:


    Wrong.  Those are states which criminalise polygamy, not cohabitation.


    Quote
    A fine, imprisonment, or both


    Wrong again.  No state in the US fines or imprisons cohabiting couples.  The link you provided deals with punishments for bigamy/polygamy, not cohabitation.
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #34 - February 12, 2010, 05:55 PM
    PIMPING is fine! but giving legal status to a woman who is screwing a man who happens also to be screwing other women is not! great.
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #35 - February 12, 2010, 05:56 PM
    Quote from: King Tut
    Why not just say no one should get tax breaks just for being married?

    +1
    I think the amount of tax breaks you get, if any, should be determined by how much kids* you have not by marital status.

    *with a limit
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #36 - February 12, 2010, 05:58 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on February 12, 2010, 05:55 PM
    PIMPING is fine! but giving legal status to a woman who is screwing a man who happens also to be screwing other women is not! great.


    What the fuck are you wibbling on about?  Huh?
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #37 - February 12, 2010, 05:58 PM
    A limit can easily be enforced, the 3rd time a woman pops a child she should be sterilized. And I think all violent criminals should be forceful sterilized as a punishment for the crime they committed.
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #38 - February 12, 2010, 05:59 PM
    Ahh, you've been at the shandy again, obviously.   Afro
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #39 - February 12, 2010, 06:01 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on February 12, 2010, 05:58 PM
    What the fuck are you wibbling on about?  Huh?


    Say a woman is screwing a man who is also screwing other women, he tells these women he loves them etc, and then one-day one everything starts going south on a few of these women, and he you know decides to go out and get some fresh meat. What about these women, who are just dumped with having any legal rights, as married women have? Such as the both parties getting half of the wealth, they've accumulated over the years?
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #40 - February 12, 2010, 06:02 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on February 12, 2010, 05:56 PM
    +1
    I think the amount of tax breaks you get, if any, should be determined by how much kids* you have not by marital status.

    Perhaps, but remember the state wants to encourage the institution of marriage.  

    Its tends to be more prosperous, cost effective and more self-reliant, and in line with morality according to religious indoctrination.  A win-win from a states perpespective..
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #41 - February 12, 2010, 06:03 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on February 12, 2010, 06:01 PM
    Say a woman is screwing a man who is also screwing other women, he tells these women he loves them etc, and then one-day one everything starts going south on a few of these women, and he you know decides to go out and get some fresh meat. What about these women, who are just dumped with having any legal rights, as married women have? Such as the both parties getting half of the wealth, they've accumulated over the years?


    Assets they've both contributed to building up she would be entitled to a share of anyway, married or no.  All that doesn't have legal status is her relationship with the man, she still has property rights, etc, under the law.
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #42 - February 12, 2010, 06:05 PM
    Quote from: Cheeta
    No, they're not contrary to each other.  A man can shack up with as many women as he likes, there is no need for any religious or civil recognition of it.

    If you're against civil recognition fine but what's wrong with religious recognition?

    Quote from: Cheetah
    Wrong.  Those are states which criminalise polygamy, not cohabitation.

    Please, read the text under the map carefully. It says "all forms of cohabitation outlawed"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_the_United_States

    Quote from: Cheetah
    Wrong again.  No state in the US fines or imprisons cohabiting couples.  The link you provided deals with punishments for bigamy/polygamy, not cohabitation.

    These are punishments for cohabitation by polygamous partners.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_the_United_States#Polygamy_and_bigamy_laws_in_the_US

    ii. Polygamy. A person is guilty of polygamy, a felony in the third degree, if he marries or cohabits with more than one spouse at a time in purported exercise of the right of plural marriage. The offense is a continuing one until all cohabitation and claim of marriage with more than one spouse terminates. This section does not apply to parties of a polygamous marriage, lawful in the country of which they are residents or nationals, while they are in transit through or temporarily visiting this State.
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #43 - February 12, 2010, 06:06 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on February 12, 2010, 05:58 PM
    What the fuck are you wibbling on about?  Huh?

     Cheesy
    Wibble, wibble... reminds me of blackadder..

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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #44 - February 12, 2010, 06:08 PM
    What if these women are Muslim, and the husband does everything, his name is on everything, which is very common in Islamic societies. Even if the Muslim women is earning her own money from work, normally the husband takes control of the income, and he is the one who decides what it should be spent on. The women could potentially lose all her sayings.

    This is why I think it is rather stupid for someone who is married to a woman from outside the UK to resister the marriage in the UK. Just keep her as partner, in case one day you want to get a divorce.
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #45 - February 12, 2010, 06:10 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on February 12, 2010, 05:58 PM
    A limit can easily be enforced, the 3rd time a woman pops a child she should be sterilized. And I think all violent criminals should be forceful sterilized as a punishment for the crime they committed.

    I meant a limit to the amount of tax breaks you can be awarded not how many children you can have
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #46 - February 12, 2010, 06:17 PM
    Quote
    If you're against civil recognition fine but what's wrong with religious recognition?


    Religion should not be allowed to encourage things not legal under secular law.


    Quote
    Please, read the text under the map carefully. It says "all forms of cohabitation outlawed


    I did actually misread that, but your map is misleading.  There are only five states in the US which outlaw cohabitation, and the law is never enforced and generally considered to be unconstitutional and obsolete.

    Half a century ago, it was illegal in every state for adult lovers to live together without being married. Today, on the other hand, just five states (Mississippi, Virginia, West Virginia, Florida, and Michigan) still criminalize cohabitation by opposite-sex couples, although anti-cohabitation laws are generally not enforced.[12] Many legal scholars believe that in light of in Lawrence v. Texas, such laws making cohabitation illegal are unconstitutional (North Carolina Superior Court judge Benjamin Alford struck down the North Carolina law on that basis).[13]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohabitation_in_the_United_States

    Quote
    These are punishments for cohabitation by polygamous partners.


    Yes, I know polygamy/bigamy is punishable under the law.  Good, let it stay that way.  As for any laws which punish a married person for cohabiting with another person outside their marriage, I think you'll find they are also obsolete, unenforceable and unconstitutional.
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #47 - February 12, 2010, 06:37 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah
    Religion should not be allowed to encourage things not legal under secular law.

    Of course.
    What I'm arguing for is that we decriminalize it first and allow religious institutions to carry out contracts. Then we can either stop at that (option 2) or go on and grant legal recognition (option 3).

    Therefore option 2 is not status quo and what you are arguing for is option 1 which is keeping it outlawed as it is atm.  I'm not debating with you, I'm just clarifying the options and the current legal status. So thanks for sharing your opinion  Smiley

     
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #48 - February 12, 2010, 06:38 PM
    Why buy the cows, when you can get the milk 4 free...

    Nuff said.
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #49 - February 12, 2010, 06:39 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 12, 2010, 06:38 PM
    Why buy the cows, when you can get the milk 4 free...

    Nuff said.

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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #50 - February 12, 2010, 06:39 PM
     Cheesy
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #51 - February 12, 2010, 06:40 PM
    Why did so many people vote decriminalized and recognized?  Huh?

    Seems like a bizarre thing to have so much support on CEMB...
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #52 - February 12, 2010, 06:46 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 12, 2010, 06:40 PM
    Why did so many people vote decriminalized and recognized?  Huh?

    Seems like a bizarre thing to have so much support on CEMB...

    Because most of us are socially progressive !
    This has nothing to do with any religion. Most of us who voted 3 want both polygyny and polyandry decriminalized  Wink
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #53 - February 12, 2010, 06:49 PM
    Polyandry...  Cheesy

    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #54 - February 12, 2010, 06:50 PM
    Don't hate cheeseball.  Tongue 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #55 - February 12, 2010, 06:56 PM
    LOL

    But you gotta wonder about the guys who'd put themselves in that position. You better be one fucking amazing woman!!!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #56 - February 12, 2010, 07:00 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 12, 2010, 06:56 PM
    But you gotta wonder about the guys who'd put themselves in that position.

    Just like women who put themselves in that position, they are either forced or have no other option.
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #57 - February 12, 2010, 07:04 PM
    LOL Don't even bother. Women do that shit all the time. By their own will. This is kind of silly to equate, yes we're legally and morally equal. But there is a big difference between the sexes in this regards.

    And trust me, the stronger minded women here might not accept that, but they are hardly representative of the vast majority of women who are quite different.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #58 - February 12, 2010, 08:06 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on February 12, 2010, 06:05 PM

    Please, read the text under the map carefully. It says "all forms of cohabitation outlawed"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_the_United_States


    Being realistic, it isn't enforced.  I know people who have lived together in some of those states without a legal marriage.  Why these are still on the books, I don't know.  Some say that Lawrence v. Texas, which put an end to all anti-sodomy laws in the US also effectively struck down the five remaining anti-cohabitation laws.  As far as I know, only one state has overturned an anti-cohabitation law in court on the basis of Lawrence v. Texas.  I don't know if there are any pending cohabitation cases in front of the courts in the remaining five states. 

    The Edmunds Act, the basis of anti-polygamy laws in the US, is widely believed to be unconstitutional, but again, in reality, there isn't going to be a mass movement to get rid of it any time soon.  When Americans hear "polygamy" they think not only of some oil shaykh from Saudi, but of the terrible abuses against women, girls and boys that have been witnessed in southern Utah and other places in the American and Canadian west and Mexico.  It may not be a fair representation of all poly relationships or circumstances, but that's how it is, and it is women and girls who have escaped from these groups who are the ones putting the anti-polygamy case out there or keeping it in people's minds. 

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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #59 - February 12, 2010, 08:09 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on February 12, 2010, 06:46 PM
    Because most of us are socially progressive !


    Yes that old sexist canard  about milk & cows was tres progressive. 
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