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  • Question: Polygamy, with the consent and knowledge of all parties involved, should be  (Voting closed: February 18, 2010, 06:54 PM)
  • outlawed in all forms - 2 (10.5%)
  • decriminalized but with no legal recognition by the state - 4 (21.1%)
  • decriminalized and recognized under civil law - 13 (68.4%)
  • Total Voters: 19

 Topic: Polygamy

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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #60 - February 12, 2010, 08:28 PM

    Just like women who put themselves in that position, they are either forced or have no other option.


    Yes, some societies are under such matriarchal oppression of men, and it's really one of the major unacknowledged root causes of some of today's grossest human rights violations.

    Or wait. No.  Because even polyandry, which is extremely rare despite the existence of an entrenched and powerful matriarchy around the globe, in many instances is, like many things in the world today, to the benefit of ... men.  Oh patriarhcy, right.  Like in cultures where, when brothers are too poor to support a home on their own, a woman is married to all of them and they take turns living in the home with her.  You would not believe how privileged and powerful a woman like this is, with her chappal on the back of these men's necks.  

    Or maybe there are men who don't mind sharing a woman between them.  I'm sure some sort of sexist jokes can be dug up and thrown up here about that too.  Let me start. Ho ho ho, bro, then you don't have to take 100% of her nagging and dealing with her while she's on the rag. Ho ho ho.  

    The whole premise of "why would a man want to be in polyandry" is reflective of the mindset.  We all know what we call a woman who allows multiple penises to penetrate her. Of *course* a group of women might possibly (probably) want to share one penis -- for the penis is irresistible.  And maybe some hot lesbian-for-the-sake-of-a-penis sex might take place as well.  But why on earth would a man share that pussy - it's his, right? He owns that punani.  Even when you hear about or read about these people who want to 'share my wife' it's about his ownership of what's between her legs, his pleasure seeing another man partake of what's his.  (I'm not comparing this with polyamory btw which is also about relationships, and not just bodies in a bed - or on the floor, whatever).  

    Gosh I'm sorry for my sarcasm. It's just that this site is more and more like a good ol' boy's club everyday.  Reminds me of the attitudes I lived with when I was Muslim.  

    I'm not voting in this poll.  It seems, based on the discussion, that it only recognizes forms of polygamy where one individual is, if you will, the chief spouse, and all other individuals are married to that person and that person only.  Like Islam or Mormonism, both socially progressive religions.  It doesn't address the legal complications of secular / neo-pagan poly relationships -- which is one reason (tho not the big one) why law makers, to my knowledge (based on my reading) don't want to deal with it.  Jill marries Bob.  She also marries Jane.  Bob and Jane get married.  In a year, Jane doesn't want to be married to Jill anymore, but she wants to be married to Bob.  And so on and so forth.  It can be handled, I'm sure, by people in the privacy of their own counsel (deciding to live in separate houses, for example, or Jill making the tough decision to divorce Bob as well as Jane, and watch them walk into the sunset hand in hand), but I can see why lawmakers aren't going to touch it.  The sheer mess of deciding out benefits, retirement, tax breaks, etc...

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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #61 - February 12, 2010, 08:32 PM

     001_wub for Manat.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #62 - February 12, 2010, 08:37 PM

    LOL

    Boys will be boys, sorry to say.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #63 - February 12, 2010, 08:39 PM

    It's just that this site is more and more like a good ol' boy's club everyday.  Reminds me of the attitudes I lived with when I was Muslim. 



    I thought I was the only one noticing this lol.....  wacko

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #64 - February 12, 2010, 08:43 PM

    LOL

    Boys will be boys, sorry to say.


    Muslims will be muslims. Jews will be jews. Blacks will be blacks. Pakis will be pakis...

    Don't you think that's a cop-off, and derogatory? How is that different from Muslims regulating women's behavior under the guise of well, boys will be boys, therefore women must change/amputate their identities to accomodate the boys?

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #65 - February 12, 2010, 08:47 PM

    Polyandry is unworkable. And in fact would be a dangerous to society.
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #66 - February 12, 2010, 08:47 PM

    Just to add, I know you're joking around, Iblis... but I gotta say, judging from some of posters here it's easy to see how leaving Islam doesn't mean leaving all of its BS ideas behind for many people.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #67 - February 12, 2010, 08:48 PM

    Polyandry is unworkable. And in fact would be a dangerous to society.


    BS.

    Prove it.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #68 - February 12, 2010, 08:51 PM

    Gosh I'm sorry for my sarcasm. It's just that this site is more and more like a good ol' boy's club everyday.  Reminds me of the attitudes I lived with when I was Muslim. 

    Anyone got anything left to say?  mysmilie_977  Whats up lads, cat got your collective tongues lipsrsealed ?


    I thought I was the only one noticing this lol.....  wacko

    I noticed it too - in fact is it me, or is the ratio of female to male posters in decline?

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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #69 - February 12, 2010, 08:55 PM

    For one how do you define who is the father of the child? Unless you have a DNA test all the time, which would create a burden on society. DNA tests don't come cheap. Also imagine a child from a polyandrous relationship going to school, he would be called the son of a whore etc... Moreover it could be used as a tool by criminals to allow the prostitution of a woman much easier.   

    No man in his right mind is going to be stupid enough to be in a polyandrous relationship.
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #70 - February 12, 2010, 08:56 PM

    And also, ladies don't you find the concept to be filthy, I would have thought this kind of thing would be beneath you women.
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #71 - February 12, 2010, 08:58 PM

    Love your avatar allat! Is it a part of a painting?
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #72 - February 12, 2010, 08:59 PM

    For one how do you define who is the father of the child? Unless you have a DNA test all the time, which would create a burden on society. DNA tests don't come cheap.


    Neither do any medical procedures. DNA tests don't have to be covered by National Healthcare, they can be optional. But you'd deny women and men who do want to be in polyandrous relationships because well *you* don't have the integrity of character to handle being in such a relationship.

    Also imagine a child from a polyandrous relationship going to school, he would be called the son of a whore etc...


    Only because idiotic misogynists who think polygyny is a-ok but polyandry is inherently wrong make it so. Same argument used by homophobes to prevent gay people from adopting. Doesn't work then either.

    Moreover it could be used as a tool by criminals to allow the prostitution of a woman much easier.


    Strawman. Prostitution already exists in every kind of society.

    No man in his right mind is going to be stupid enough to be in a polyandrous relationship.


    Well they do exist and they do tend to be in righter minds than you. Smiley

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #73 - February 12, 2010, 08:59 PM

    And also, ladies don't you find the concept to be filthy, I would have thought this kind of thing would be beneath you women.


    Some do some don't. Who are you to tell people what they should or shouldn't do with their own bodies?

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #74 - February 12, 2010, 09:00 PM

    *slowly backs away*
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #75 - February 12, 2010, 09:01 PM

    Love your avatar allat! Is it a part of a painting?


    Thanks!  grin12 It's one of many gorgeous pieces of art from deviantart.com. http://lunaris-eclipse.deviantart.com/art/Dealer-of-Dreams-76158539

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #76 - February 12, 2010, 09:04 PM

    On this topic, here's an interesting article: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2010/01/03/loves_new_frontier/?page=full

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #77 - February 12, 2010, 09:06 PM

    Thanks!  grin12 It's one of many gorgeous pieces of art from deviantart.com. http://lunaris-eclipse.deviantart.com/art/Dealer-of-Dreams-76158539

    You frequent dA? Me too! Do you have an account there with your own stuff?
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #78 - February 12, 2010, 09:12 PM

    You frequent DA? Me too! Do you have an account there with your own stuff?


    I'm much more of a connoisseur Wink Also, too shy (i know that's hard to believe) to put up my stuff in the midst of such genius artists as many who are on DA.  grin12

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #79 - February 12, 2010, 09:15 PM

    I want a polygamous relationship with twins. Oh, shit! Did I just say that out loud?

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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #80 - February 12, 2010, 09:22 PM

    I want one with allat, Berbs, Cheetah, and Iblis.
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #81 - February 12, 2010, 09:25 PM

     Cheesy

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #82 - February 12, 2010, 10:42 PM

    Because most of us are socially progressive !

    Yes that old sexist canard  about milk & cows was tres progressive.

    So you disregarded the whole thread and focused on one post made by Iblis?

    You probably didn't even get my point so let me make myself clear. Iblis was surprised that so many of us have voted for the 3rd option particularly because this is an ex-Muslim forum and we're supposed to be against polygamy (as it is nowadays largely an Islamic practice).
    I deduced that we here, after leaving religion and its stupid inflexible rules, have began to revise every concept we know and look at it from a totally new perspective, a perspective that is influenced by the values of equality, individual freedom, and the right to self-determination. So instead of arguing for the decriminalization of polygamy for religious reasons (from a Muslim perspective), we (the majority of us) are arguing for it from a new secular revised ever-changing perspective. And that is the core of social progressivism.
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #83 - February 12, 2010, 10:43 PM

    Just like women who put themselves in that position, they are either forced or have no other option.

     Yes, some societies are under such matriarchal oppression of men, and it's really one of the major unacknowledged root causes of some of today's grossest human rights violations.

    Or wait. No.  Because even polyandry, which is extremely rare despite the existence of an entrenched and powerful matriarchy around the globe, in many instances is, like many things in the world today, to the benefit of ... men.  Oh patriarhcy, right.  Like in cultures where, when brothers are too poor to support a home on their own, a woman is married to all of them and they take turns living in the home with her.  You would not believe how privileged and powerful a woman like this is, with her chappal on the back of these men's necks.  

    Or maybe there are men who don't mind sharing a woman between them.  I'm sure some sort of sexist jokes can be dug up and thrown up here about that too.  Let me start. Ho ho ho, bro, then you don't have to take 100% of her nagging and dealing with her while she's on the rag. Ho ho ho.

    I'm not saying that men are disproportionally more oppressed in today's world!!

    I was simply saying that if polyandry was practiced in certain cultures then I would guess the men are forced to do it or have no other option. How did you conclude that you say? easy, because most of the women who are in polygynous marriages are forced and have no other option. Whether it's the girl forced by her parents to marry the already-married dude or even the the woman who *willingly* makes the decision to marry a guy who is already married because he will provide for her better than the poor younger lad. Both of those women are compelled in a way or another. The former was forced by her family, the latter was compelled because of financial reasons.

    Likewise, I don't think these men in the example you mentioned would've elected to share a wife were they better off financially. So in a way they are forced to as they have no other option. It doesn't mean the shared wife is ecstatic about all the penises, but it also doesn't mean the husbands are ecstatic. At least that's how I think.

    Now you can point out the fallacies in my argument and criticize it all you want but what you did is you misconstrued one line I wrote and reacted, although in a sarcastic way, as if I am calling for a revolution against this worldwide matriarchal oppressive system.


    Quote from: Manat
    The whole premise of "why would a man want to be in polyandry" is reflective of the mindset.  We all know what we call a woman who allows multiple penises to penetrate her. Of *course* a group of women might possibly (probably) want to share one penis -- for the penis is irresistible.  And maybe some hot lesbian-for-the-sake-of-a-penis sex might take place as well.  But why on earth would a man share that pussy - it's his, right? He owns that punani.  Even when you hear about or read about these people who want to 'share my wife' it's about his ownership of what's between her legs, his pleasure seeing another man partake of what's his.  (I'm not comparing this with polyamory btw which is also about relationships, and not just bodies in a bed - or on the floor, whatever).

    That's not even close to my mindset. I don't think jealousy and possessiveness are exclusive to men. And while I do wonder "why would a man want to be in polyandry", I would also be very intrigued if a woman told me she's OK with sharing a husband with another woman.
    Only a minority of both men and women would be fine with sharing a spouse and this thread was started to discuss their situation.

    Quote from: Manat
    Gosh I'm sorry for my sarcasm. It's just that this site is more and more like a good ol' boy's club everyday.  Reminds me of the attitudes I lived with when I was Muslim.

    Am I one of those you're referring to?

    Quote from: Manat
    I'm not voting in this poll.  It seems, based on the discussion, that it only recognizes forms of polygamy where one individual is, if you will, the chief spouse, and all other individuals are married to that person and that person only.

    Not sure where you got the notion of the "chief spouse". When I created the poll, I was thinking about a free-love Vicky-Cristina-Barcelona kinda scenario.

    Quote from: Manat
    Like Islam or Mormonism, both socially progressive religions.

    You're joking right ?

    Quote from: Manat
    It doesn't address the legal complications of secular / neo-pagan poly relationships -- which is one reason (tho not the big one) why law makers, to my knowledge (based on my reading) don't want to deal with it.  Jill marries Bob.  She also marries Jane.  Bob and Jane get married.  In a year, Jane doesn't want to be married to Jill anymore, but she wants to be married to Bob.  And so on and so forth.  It can be handled, I'm sure, by people in the privacy of their own counsel (deciding to live in separate houses, for example, or Jill making the tough decision to divorce Bob as well as Jane, and watch them walk into the sunset hand in hand), but I can see why lawmakers aren't going to touch it.  The sheer mess of deciding out benefits, retirement, tax breaks, etc...

    You make compelling points. So why not decriminalize it without granting recognition under civil law (option 2)?
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #84 - February 13, 2010, 12:00 AM

    I'd rather be trying to have sex with a feminist, then to be in an argument with her... Word to the wise men on here.  Afro
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #85 - February 13, 2010, 12:33 AM

    Fuck off Tut
  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #86 - February 13, 2010, 02:16 AM

    Just to add, I know you're joking around, Iblis... but I gotta say, judging from some of posters here it's easy to see how leaving Islam doesn't mean leaving all of its BS ideas behind for many people.


    Honestly.. you girls are not so naive as to think Islam is the only source of chauvinistic attitudes? When I said "boys will be boys", I didn't mean it as "regulating" or trying to impose something on women as you implied. I meant it that men will always, even in the most liberal of societies, have that chauvinistic, alpha-male, posturing, etc behaviour. And this is more to do with how men relate to each other, than women. A man being #2 husband to his alpha-female wife will have lots of mockery directed at him from males.

    And this shit transcends Islam, so some of you really need to knock off this "oh you're still sooo MUSLIM!!!" bullshit. Its getting kind of annoying. Do you honestly believe the rest of the kuffar males out there are really *that* different. They have mostly the same attitudes, they just don't embrace or try to justify it.

    Islam's attitudes and values towards women did not rise out of a vacuum, male chauvinism existed long before Islam hit the scene and it'll be around long after Islam is buried deep in it's own shit. It's something rooted in our natures whether you like to admit it or not. So hence.. boys will be boys.


    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #87 - February 13, 2010, 02:20 AM

    And my cows and milk post was a joke. Besides, it's a bit sexist to presume the "cow" is only referencing a female. Women sleep around too, did you know?



    And btw, just to be clear I'm firmly against polygamy or polyandry and the sexist attitudes it is usually rooted in. Decriminalizing or legalizing it would be a step back.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #88 - February 13, 2010, 02:46 AM

     Roll Eyes

    Well, I'm glad not all men think that there's no room for improvement, or that there's no way for men to evolve and learn to deal with their emotions. It comes with age, I suppose, to some.

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  • Re: Polygamy
     Reply #89 - February 13, 2010, 02:51 AM

    I'm all for change, and people do and have changed. As have cultural attitudes towards gender roles. But you do acknowledge that men and women are different?

    I just think you're reading way too much into my "boys will be boys" comment. The sexes have certain biologically predetermined paths we develop and no matter how you shape society in the future that testosterone is still gonna be around. Is this really a controversial statement?

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

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