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 Topic: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]

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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #360 - February 20, 2010, 11:47 PM

    Actually he's implying that Hassan is softie who handles Islam with kid-gloves.

    Considering Ansar Al-Zindiqi considers the Taj Mahal a Muslamic abomination, from his perspective that's probably spot on.


    You cheated! Zindiqi HE READ OFF MY NOTES!!!!
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #361 - February 20, 2010, 11:49 PM

    Sorry, you pretty much said what I wanted to say. Fag.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #362 - February 20, 2010, 11:50 PM

    Sorry, you pretty much said what I wanted to say. Fag.


    *starts crying* Zindiqi this is all your fault! I'm gonna tell my parents you touched me in my danger zone.

    Zindiqi is the Pee-wee Herman of the ex-muslim world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #363 - February 20, 2010, 11:55 PM

    Thanks guys  Afro

    So he's saying that like Mr Rogers I try to educate people in a gentle, and soft manner?

    Do you think he means it as some sort of insult?

    Does he want me to hit Muslims and scream at them? Would that help educate them better? (No doubt he is an expert at reaching the hearts and minds of Muslims)


  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #364 - February 20, 2010, 11:58 PM

    Do you think he wants me to hit Muslims and scream at them?


    Well yeah. That's the whole point of guys like Zindiqi getting mad at CEMB. We're not extreme enough for them.

    Like imagine ex-muslims were republicans. We're kinda like Arnold Schwarztenegger, and FFI is kinda like Sarah Palin. Nawmean?

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #365 - February 21, 2010, 12:04 AM

    Like imagine ex-muslims were republicans. We're kinda like Arnold Schwarztenegger, and FFI is kinda like Sarah Palin. Nawmean?


    lol  grin12

    Well I may be dim-witted as Ansar says - but at least I have enough brain cells to realise the best way to reach people isn't to scream at them. I have always felt that FFI was more about venting rage at Muslims rather than reaching out to them. In the past whenever a Muslim popped up on FFI he was just torn to bits, goaded and wound up. I think they love seeing Muslims lose it so they can say "I told you so!" and make them selves feel better. If they were truly concerned about trying to enlighten them they would see a fellow human being who they could reach if they used a little wisdom.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #366 - February 21, 2010, 12:07 AM

    S'ok Hass. I'm not planning on closing the thread. Tis the most awesome hot n crunchy popcorn. I was just hoping to keep the pointless invective to a reasonable level. Wink

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #367 - February 21, 2010, 12:10 AM

    lol  grin12

    Well I may be dim-witted as Ansar says - but at least I have enough brain cells to realise the best way to reach people isn't to scream at them. I have always felt that FFI was more about venting rage at Muslims rather than reaching out to them. In the past whenever a Muslim popped up on FFI he was just torn to bits, goaded and wound up. I think they love seeing Muslims lose it so they can say "I told you so!" and make them selves feel better. If they were truly concerned about trying to enlighten them they would see a fellow human being who they could reach if they used a little wisdom.


    apparently you don't believe in Shock & Awe..

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #368 - February 21, 2010, 12:11 AM

    lol  grin12

    Well I may be dim-witted as Ansar says - but at least I have enough brain cells to realise the best way to reach people isn't to scream at them. I have always felt that FFI was more about venting rage at Muslims rather than reaching out to them. In the past whenever a Muslim popped up on FFI he was just torn to bits, goaded and wound up. I think they love seeing Muslims lose it so they can say "I told you so!" and make them selves feel better. If they were truly concerned about trying to enlighten them they would see a fellow human being who they could reach if they used a little wisdom.


    I think venting serves a good purpose. I vented and hated on Muslims and Islam a lot when I apostated first. I think we all go through it. Some, however, seem to be stuck in that mentally unhealthy spot.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #369 - February 21, 2010, 12:15 AM

    The really weird thing is that a lot of people doing that venting never had to leave Islam in the first place.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #370 - February 21, 2010, 12:23 AM

    I think venting serves a good purpose. I vented and hated on Muslims and Islam a lot when I apostated first. I think we all go through it. Some, however, seem to be stuck in that mentally unhealthy spot.


    I guess we all through an angry stage, but I would never have said some of the things they said on there.

    But as Oz says - most of them are not coming from a perspective of leaving Islam. FFI has never had much empathy for ex-Muslims. Even ex-Muslims like Ali Sina himself had little real empathy for Muslims - which I always found puzzling. He always seemed so bitter and angry and came out with astonishing statements that made me wonder how an ex-Muslim say things like that.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #371 - February 21, 2010, 12:24 AM

    I think venting serves a good purpose. I vented and hated on Muslims and Islam a lot when I apostated first.


    well, your being an ex-MSA member, I can only imagine your anger  Smiley

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #372 - February 21, 2010, 12:26 AM

    apparently you don't believe in Shock & Awe..


    There's nothing like blowing people up to win their hearts and minds.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #373 - February 21, 2010, 12:29 AM

    Quote
    There's nothing like blowing people up to win their hearts and minds


    Exactly! I mean it's preposterous that Muslims tend to get angry after the wonderful, wonderful fireworks show that took place in Iraq!

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #374 - February 21, 2010, 12:34 AM

    well, your being an ex-MSA member, I can only imagine your anger  Smiley


    Hmmmm....

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #375 - February 21, 2010, 01:01 AM

    I hope Ansar (or anyone else from FFI who shares his opinion of my videos or blog) never recommends them to Muslims - that would be quite hypocritical.

    Then again I have a feeling he wouldn't have a problem with that.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #376 - February 21, 2010, 03:19 AM

    So they think we are assholes basically.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #377 - February 21, 2010, 04:36 AM

     Flaming mad

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #378 - February 21, 2010, 04:53 AM

    And if it wasn't in the Exclusive Rooms, I'm sure it would have grown tremendously...

    Besides, you don't find CEMB members visiting FFI and giving advice... it seems FFIers are visiting here and lecturing CEMBers on how they should run their forum, including how to discipline one of their members.


    I never give advice to this forum. Its Islame who asked me why some guys dont post here too and thats why I responded and  he welcomed criticism of both FFI and CEMB. CEmb members dont visit FFI because  they  know they wont stand long to debate there.  Members here would give all sorts of excuses here to defend themselves after reading my comment here but anyone with common sense can see this .There is saying in my mother tongue that even a dog is a tiger when he is in his own homeland but the test comes moment he goes somewhere else.


     I come here to show them that most of their criticism about FFI isnt valid at all. Just look at this thread itself. Someone is again saying that a  muslim shouldnt be called a muslim .ITs offensive . Now this is a joke .Why are you  a muslim if the word used hurts you ? I know people have names and hence they should be called by their names but ocassionally its Ok to call a muslim a muslim . Note that the term "muslim" is not offensive.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #379 - February 21, 2010, 04:57 AM

    Awesome. So if someone insults you the only possible response is to escalate the insults. Colour me impressed.  Cheesy

    Oh and my mother sucks donkey dicks for money, when she isn't out carving kidneys from live babies to sell them for illegal transplants. Just sayin'.  Afro


    I am not a USWA HASANA or a saint to shut up when someone abuses my family. The initial insults that I threw at Qman were directed at him and not that offensive. HE was acting stupid when he made comments about FFI .I believe in tit for tat.I apologized to Cheetah for my behaviour as a part of my ethics  but I also  told her that I aint gonna apologize to Qman.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #380 - February 21, 2010, 05:01 AM

    Look at these nasty goons of ffi coming out of the woodwork. I think we need some pest control over here.


    Can you debate  ? Try addressing post of ixolite if you can.People see you as a troll here as well as on FFI.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #381 - February 21, 2010, 05:06 AM

    I will reply to the rest as I get time.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #382 - February 21, 2010, 05:10 AM

    They're just scared and angry people. Always have been.  parrot


      Cheesy WE are scared of you?  I and Charleslemartel come here to take all of you at a time . WE wouldnt be coming here if we were scared. ALso Ansar and Ixolite have posted here. DO you have yourself have the guts to do the same? There is a thread lying at exclusive rooms. People are still waiting there if any of CEMB members come to discuss. LEts see whether your bark matches your bite.

    Now please dont use the excuses like I dont think you need to waste your time with us. If that was the reason you wouldnt be doing the same here. I am smart enough to see through your excuses.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #383 - February 21, 2010, 06:22 AM

    Someone is again saying that a  muslim shouldnt be called a muslim.


    lol, it seems that you too don't differentiate between "Muslim" and "Muhammadan".

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #384 - February 21, 2010, 07:40 AM

    @charles

    I misread Hassans post as I thought Hassan was against using the word "muslims" but Berberella opposed Rashna and me for using the word muslims.Most of the fellows here supported her during that time. They think its  rude to address  muslims as muslims.

    Also Ixolite is not wrong to use that word "mohhamedians". Muslims worship none but Muhhamad because we all know Allah doesnt exist as quran is the word of Muhhamad.In the real sense yes muslims worship Muhhamad though they think they worship Allah.So using a term mohhamedian is not wrong . The excuse given by members here is that muslims are hurt.  muslims are also hurt  when Muhhamad is accused of paedophilia,rape,mass murder and terrorism so should we stop criticizing muhhamad? I would like to know whether members here think about this.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #385 - February 21, 2010, 08:29 AM

    in the great words of one of those stoned beatles,

    can't we all just get along?

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #386 - February 21, 2010, 08:43 AM

    in the great words of one of those stoned beatles,

    can't we all just get along?


    There is absolutely no problem, z10. These little disagreements add to the fun; not to be taken seriously.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #387 - February 21, 2010, 08:59 AM

    well, from the little that I have followed this thread there have been some angry words exchanged, perhaps I should just keep my silence  Smiley

    To go completely off-topic:

    charles, I noticed in your religious affiliation thread that you started you are a pantheist. I would love to hear your thoughts about it in the pantheism thread I started here:

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8550.0

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #388 - February 21, 2010, 09:19 AM

    I misread Hassans post as I thought Hassan was against using the word "muslims" but Berberella opposed Rashna and me for using the word muslims.Most of the fellows here supported her during that time. They think its  rude to address  muslims as muslims.


    I'm not sure what thread you are referring to, but if it is the one I'm thinking of then they were not simply saying you shouldn't address Muslims as Muslims. (That is obviously a ridiculous suggestion and your unqualified statement makes it look as if that's what they were saying.)

    I suspect it was to stop people addressing 'individuals' in the way some do on FFI and ummah.com where for example a Muslim will say to a Jew or a Hindu (who has a forum name of course) saying, "Listen, Jew/Hindu, we know the games... etc.." In the same way some on FFI say "Look, Muslim, we know all your Taqqiyya games..."

    In other words please be civil and use their nick/name and don't use the name Muslim (or Hindu or Jew etc...) in an insulting or derogatory manner.

    Also Ixolite is not wrong to use that word "mohhamedians". Muslims worship none but Muhhamad because we all know Allah doesnt exist as quran is the word of Muhhamad.In the real sense yes muslims worship Muhhamad though they think they worship Allah.So using a term mohhamedian is not wrong . The excuse given by members here is that muslims are hurt.  muslims are also hurt  when Muhhamad is accused of paedophilia,rape,mass murder and terrorism so should we stop criticizing muhhamad? I would like to know whether members here think about this.


    Again - as I said - I actually do think most Muslims worship Muhammad in a sense. But Muslims find it insulting to be called Muhammadan and there is simply no need to call them that - unless one just wants to immediately put their backs up and wind them up.

    I do appreciate that this is exactly what FFI wants to do - so please be my guest and carry on using the word Muhammadan over there.

    Over here we would like to engage Muslims without winding them up, or insulting them so that they might reflect and think about what we say better.

    I know you find that a hard concept to understand and think that winding them up or insulting them is the best way to get through to them.

    Re-peadophillia - there is a whole long thread about that somewhere. You can look it up if you wish.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #389 - February 21, 2010, 09:28 AM

    You know if I was a member at FFI and still a muslim, I would remain a muslim. Out of spite. I have never been to a university where a professor starts degrading me or a group of people. There is a way of criticizing a religion (Islam in this case) with out insulting its adherents.

    I honestly think that the FFI forum is doing more harm than good. But different strokes for different folks. What I don't understand is why we are wasting our time in this thread.

    What have we gained from any of this? What good is this thread for a muslim or a person of another religion? I am sure there is a lot I can learn from FFI members, but I have not learned it here.

    I say forget this thread join us in the forum and share your knowledge and wisdom with us regarding subjects that can be backed up with educated opinions. Not who said what and who did what.
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