I cant speak on behalf of everyone, but I'll do so anyway
I think the difference lies in these phrases:
Muslims should be forced to adopt atheism at gunpoint
Muslims are ignorant & chauvenisticI have observed statements like the first 2 going commonly unchallenged at FFI - at COEM we would prefer to say this
Islam is ignorant & chauvenisticI dont think the first statement is true at all. I personally never saw people forcing muslims to accept atheism but I could be wrong as I normally dont post in sections concerning other than islam . I discuss rarely about atheism..Atheism related discussions come forward when muslims tell us that atheists deserve the wrath of GOd or they are the people with no morals or atheists are illogical . Its that time that we really get into them.
The second statement
"Muslims are ignorant & chauvenistic" that you made concerning muslims upto some extent is correct. Some muslims do feel that they have everything in this world and that they are superior to kafirs .This is where I oppose CEMB members because I think they fail to blame the muslims for what they deserve. I never ever said that muslims should be blamed unnecessarily. I would say blame muslims or anyone only if they deserve the blame . CEMB members believe in the third statement you made I guess concerning islam but again I see a tendency of not blaming muslims at all for what they do .Ofcourse not all the muslims can be blamed but some are indeed chauvinist and they deserve the blame.So I would say blame the muslims if they really deserve the blame and dont protect them in such cases.
Particularly if your aim is to encourage muslims to see your arguments against. This might be because Sina's drive is to educate and turn the world against Islam, whereas we hope to drive change from within i.e. expose Islam for what it is to common Muslims. I suppose a bit of both will accelerate change.
I agree that both approaches are required but I would again say that attack against islam should be more in proportion because sweet talks cannot shake the faith of a muslim. Faith of a muslim can be destroyed only through logical arguments against islam.Sweet talks are just like an accessory.
I agree that would be best way, but you will not have an active forum like this one here if its one-dimensional. Nor would other muslims be interested in taking a peek either. All in all its the best strategy, and only strategy. There is no single direction or strategy, incest can even be discussed here - the posters govern the direction here, and thats what has happened, rightly or wrongly, we are all to blame..
If muslims are repellant towards criticism of islam then I dont think little or more criticism of islam would make any significant difference. IF chit chat is what muslims are interested in more why would they come to this forum? They would go somewhere else. The major attraction towards this forum would be knowing why people left Islam which means they would be more interested in knowing more as to what about islam turned off you guys against islam .Also consider this way. What major contribution towards mankind would CEMB make if chit chatting is given more priority?
I've dont remember anyone personally bad mouthing anyone other than Sina, so please go on..
Different people have different opinions. Hassan and many others wont agree with you. Anyway to you your opinion and to them theirs.
Yes, please tell me what your thoughts are also, particularly on FFI, this forum, where you think improvements can be made here & over at FFI, if you think the forum part is busier or not etc
He prob wont know me, but tell him to come & join the fun
Yes I will surely what I feel must be improved with the both the forums.I dont think either of the forum is perfect or USWA HASANA
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