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 Topic: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]

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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #780 - March 16, 2010, 06:38 PM

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    I've read a lot about the glorious fight of the Rajput warriors and their chivalry and have great admiration for them.  Afro

    hmm.. Iblis ancestors were Rajput??

    Some of these Raj PUTTARS who became Muslims and GOT KILLED are the reason why Mahmud of Ghazni and later Muhammad Ghori became heroes of Islam., And some of the Brahman Puttars  like the fathers and grand fathers of  Allama Iqbals are the reason Why  and how Muhammad's  Islam undercuts the value of original cultures to erect Arabian Beduion(Not pagans of Mecca  ancestors of Mr. PBUH) culture across the globe dear iblis..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #781 - March 16, 2010, 06:53 PM

    Those who don't want to attend the classes can simply be deported back to their countries.

     What would you do with converts, those born here or of mixed heritage?

    Will the classes be compulsory for everyone who identifies themselves as Muslims? Anyone with a Muslim name? Secular Muslims? Ahamadis? Sufis? and various other types of sects and offshoots?

    What happens if some miss classes? What sorts of excuses will you accept? None? Childcare? Illness? Forgot? Urgent personal matters?

    What will you do if some regularly miss class?

    Who will decide on the curriculum to be taught at these classes?

    Really? I thought an exam might have occurred to someone as intelligent as you.


    You flatter me - I'm really not that intelligent.

    Did it occur to you that many might fake their exams? How would you know they have been truly re-educated and are not forming underground cells?

    I'm only talking about a 3 hour weekend class on topics like : human rights, democracy, freedom of speech, rights of women, etc, topics which are essential to living in a modern world and where most muslims are lagging behind at a scary rate.

    If someone knows what human rights are and what their advantages are, that's all there'd be to it, they won't be forced to 'accept' human rights, just 'know' what human rights are and what their benefits are.

    My guess is that 95% of people will automatically choose to support human rights once they learnt about them.


    There are a great many people who are well aware of Human Rights etc... but hold contrary beliefs - including (it may come as a shock to you) many who have never-been-Muslim - what will you do with those who refuse to accept the conclusions of your classes on  human rights, democracy, freedom of speech, rights of women? What if they persist in holding beliefs that contradict your view of what  human rights, democracy, freedom of speech, rights of women are?

    Since you are clearly a staunch supporter of Human Rights - are you sure all the measures you advocate comply with Human Rights?

    Who decides on the definition of what contravenes Human Rights?

    Are you going to have classes for never-been-Muslims who don't accept those things and are anti-whatever-you-think-is-essential?

    Or are these classes only for Muslims?

    Yea, why not? I feel no sympathy for hate mongers. For example these mullahs who go on the loudspeaker and incite violence against christians in pakistan, why should any sympathy be shown to them?

    Non violent / peaceful  religious scholars  (a rare creature) can be left alone.



    How will you distinguish between the Sheikhs and Imams you will throw into a mass grave or an oven - and those you will spare?

    How will you know who was an Imam or Sheikh? (many Sheikhs do not preach in mosques.)

    Will you inform families - return the bodies/ashes - have an open list of who has been shot, burned, gassed... - or leave them in mass graves - swept in to a corner. We don't want to waste tax-payers money on this scum when it could go on decent, upright folk - like yourself!

    How will you stop others - even more extreme - secretly preaching/giving sermons?

    What will you do with those who protest against such measures and hide Imams/Sheikhs/Muslims in their houses etc...?

    What will you do to the masses who will inevitably revolt against these measures?
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #782 - March 16, 2010, 07:10 PM

    hmm.. Iblis ancestors were Rajput??

    Some of these Raj PUTTARS who became Muslims and GOT KILLED are the reason why Mahmud of Ghazni and later Muhammad Ghori became heroes of Islam., And some of the Brahman Puttars  like the fathers and grand fathers of  Allama Iqbals are the reason Why  and how Muhammad's  Islam undercuts the value of original cultures to erect Arabian Beduion(Not pagans of Mecca  ancestors of Mr. PBUH) culture across the globe dear iblis..


    I would like to know whether brahmins were responsible for spread of muhhamads religion or not. You could have a point because as far as I know brahmins were never good fightors.I am curious to know this because I am myself a brahmin but I havent heard such kind of stuff. Its very much possible that I am ignorant because I am not good at history much.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #783 - March 16, 2010, 08:21 PM

    This thread innit.  parrot


    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #784 - March 16, 2010, 08:52 PM

     Cheesy
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #785 - March 16, 2010, 09:05 PM

    yeezevee put some flying words at iblis
    Quote
    hmm.. Iblis ancestors were Rajput??

    Some of these Raj PUTTARS who became Muslims and GOT KILLED are the reason why Mahmud of Ghazni and later Muhammad Ghori became heroes of Islam., And some of the Brahman Puttars  like the fathers and grand fathers of  Allama Iqbals are the reason Why  and how Muhammad's  Islam undercuts the value of original cultures to erect Arabian Beduion(Not pagans of Mecca  ancestors of Mr. PBUH) culture across the globe dear iblis..

    and SKB is going deeper in to the subject


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    I would like to know whether brahmins were responsible for spread of muhhamads religion or not. You could have a point because as far as I know brahmins were never good fightors.I am curious to know this because I am myself a brahmin but I havent heard such kind of stuff. Its very much possible that I am ignorant because I am not good at history much.


    Answer is NO., But in North parts and higher planes of Indian subcontinent , All the way from Baluchistan to Bangladesh many  hindus from different castes  or higher social status converted to Islam for different reasons  and Brahmans are no exception to that rule., As you know Converting in to Islam in those days(even now to some extent) is a ONE WAY TRAFFIC, The converted Brahmanism and Rajputs due to their caste based high social + educational and economic status., in earlier times whoever converted did contribute to intellectual advancement of Islamic theology, Although it is very much modified version of original Islam ..

    Any way this is not the right place to discuss such subjects., I jusr want let people know Plenty of Kashmir  Hindu Brahmans converted in to Islam specially Shia Islam. Let me give famous examples here

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    Sahaj Ram Sapru was the grandfather of the British-Indian Muslim philosopher Sir Muhammad Iqbal, who was an official in Kashmir during the administration of the Afghan Governor Azim Khan (1809–1819). According to R.K. Parimu, the author of History of Muslim Rule in Kashmir, and Ram Nath Kak, writing in his autobiography, Autumn Leaves, Sapru had embezzeled state funds, and, when his guilt was established, Azim Khan gave him the choice of death or conversion to Islam. Sahaj Ram Sapru chose life, and he and his family assumed new names and moved to Sialkot in the Punjab.

     

    And here's some info on the other founder of Pakistan - Jinnah:


    Jinnah was the eldest of seven children born to Mithibai and Jinnahbhai Poonja. His father, Jinnahbhai (1857–1901), was a prosperous Gujarati merchant who had moved to Sindh from Kathiawar, Gujarat before Jinnah's birth.[10][11] His grandfather was Poonja Gokuldas Meghji,[12] a Hindu Bhatia Rajput from Paneli village in Gondal state in Kathiawar. Jinnah's ancestors were Hindu Rajput who converted to Islam.  


    Any way this is not a right place to discuss such subjects..

    PS.. I didn't mean to insult Brahmans or  Rajaputs of subcontinent., There are 1000s of examples of how they fought bravely early Islamic onslaught   as Iblis rightly pointed out

    with best regards
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #786 - March 16, 2010, 09:09 PM

    My ancestors were not Rajputs. My ancestors were probably like
    "damn, that dude built a fucking huge tower in the middle of my farm.. I WANT HIS RELIGION NAO"

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #787 - March 16, 2010, 09:18 PM

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    My ancestors were not Rajputs. My ancestors were probably like
    "damn, that dude built a fucking huge tower in the middle of my farm.. I WANT HIS RELIGION NAO"

    How far down the road are we talking dear Iblis??  You are different from your ancestors., you are iblis, why blame them for what you write here ..lol.. Go down the road we both come from same species ...

    any way this link http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/15012001/Art26.htm is for skynightblaze


    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #788 - March 16, 2010, 09:22 PM

    Yeezevee will you have gay sex with me?
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #789 - March 16, 2010, 09:28 PM

     Cheesy
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #790 - March 16, 2010, 09:28 PM

    Get in line Hassan!!!


    YEEEZEEEEVEEEEEee!
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #791 - March 16, 2010, 09:29 PM

    Cheesy

    Hassan's first troll!

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #792 - March 16, 2010, 10:00 PM

    Iblis
    Quote
       Cheesy

    Hassan's first troll!


     Well that is good start for Hassan Iblis., he was always in closet now he is out 

    Quote
    Hassan
     
    Yeezevee will you have gay sex with me?

    really??  Now you became Veggie?? 
    with or without Love?  and Love without Mercy or with mercy dear Hassan??



    For that let me give you  this man,   Slavoj Zizek..   watch My good friend Slavoj   lol..  We can learn something  from him..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TqyKsnQD38


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJPhA9TGRls

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7YcOfYm2Lk


    Hassan  you Have to  take his classes 
     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #793 - March 16, 2010, 10:04 PM

    Huh?

    ^ that is pretty much my reaction to ALL of Yeez's posts. Grin

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #794 - March 16, 2010, 10:07 PM

    Iblis  Well that is good start for Hassan Iblis., he was always in closet now he is out 
    really??  Now you became Veggie?? 
    with or without Love?  and Love without Mercy or with mercy dear Hassan??



    For that let me give you  this man,   Slavoj Zizek..   watch My good friend Slavoj   lol..  We can learn something  from him..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TqyKsnQD38


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJPhA9TGRls

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7YcOfYm2Lk


    Hassan  you Have to  take his classes 
     


    I love it when you talk in riddles, yeezeeeeee - it really turns me on.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #795 - March 16, 2010, 10:08 PM

     Cheesy

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #796 - March 16, 2010, 10:09 PM

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    I love it when you talk in riddles, yeezeeeeee - it really turns me on.

    really then we need this machine


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wdeNVEykQ


    It really turns on... Good stuff

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #797 - March 16, 2010, 11:03 PM

     Cheesy

    Yeezeevee POTM and JOTM!!
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #798 - March 16, 2010, 11:10 PM

    really then we need this machine


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wdeNVEykQ
    It really turns on... Good stuff


    Yeezeee that's you at 0.33 - admit it!
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #799 - March 17, 2010, 12:18 AM

    Yeezevee is really just something else. Love that guy. In a gay way.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #800 - March 17, 2010, 01:59 AM

    Yeezevee is really just something else. Love that guy. In a gay way.


    Iblis was gay. I knew it!!! Cheesy

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #801 - March 17, 2010, 06:21 AM

    Quote from: Yeezevee
    Any way this is not a right place to discuss such subjects..

    PS.. I didn't mean to insult Brahmans or  Rajaputs of subcontinent., There are 1000s of examples of how they fought bravely early Islamic onslaught   as Iblis rightly pointed out


    I didnt take your comments as insults .  I was interested to know if I missed something about the history of my ancestors.Btw I dont mind if you criticize my ancestors . If something is wrong  I would accept it .There are actually plenty of things that brahmins did which are worth condemning.Btw I will  soon go through the link that you gave me .
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #802 - March 17, 2010, 06:12 PM

    I'm not a pacifist. I recognise that violence is necessary in some circumstances but I would never condone any violence that I found unethical or contradicted my principles. I believe 100% that one must be consistently true to one's principals. Any perceived success gained through unethical methods would not be success but failure - and would destroy those very things I believe in and stand for - and would end up making life meaningless for me.

    Do you think the ANC's armed struggle against the government of the Apartheid South Africa was justified?
    I'm not necessarily asking if you condone every action of the ANC including the atrocities committed by its paramilitary wing. I want whether or not you think, on principle, that resorting to violence in some cases could be justified.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #803 - March 17, 2010, 06:33 PM

    Do you think the ANC's armed struggle against the government of the Apartheid South Africa was justified?
    I'm not necessarily asking if you condone every action of the ANC including the atrocities committed by its paramilitary wing. I want whether or not you think, on principle, that resorting to violence in some cases could be justified.


    I must confess that I don't know the details of the ANC's struggle against the apartheid regime, but in general I would say yes it was justified - though as you say - that doesn't mean I would condone any act of violence.

    But don't ask me to try and define what acts of violence I would think acceptable or unacceptable - I'm tired and my brain hurts lol  grin12
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #804 - March 17, 2010, 06:41 PM

    Cool  Smiley
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #805 - March 17, 2010, 06:49 PM

    Hassan
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    - though as you say - that doesn't mean I would condone any act of violence.

    But don't ask me to try and define what acts of violence I would think acceptable or unacceptable - I'm tired and my brain hurts lol  grin12


    Hassan is becoming Gandhi

    But skynightblaze  hates  Gandhi...


    As usual   I am going to add Videos one for Hassan and another for skynightblaze

    For Hassan
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkFKQvi3hGg


    For SKB
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Kz8FzruvQ&feature=related


    Now both of you read these verses
    Quote
    002.102 005.110 006.007 007.116 010.076 010.077 010.081 011.007 020.057 020.058 020.063 020.066 020.071 020.073 021.003 026.035 026.049 027.013 028.036 034.043 037.015 043.030 046.007 052.015 054.002 061.006 074.024

     from Quran at http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/

    You will learn Power of Quran and Power of Magic..

    Quote
    I didnt take your comments as insults .

    says SKB and
    Quote
    Gay sex..gay sex

    says Hassan., my only hope is that you guys don't hate me..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #806 - March 17, 2010, 06:53 PM

    I must confess that I don't know the details of the ANC's struggle against the apartheid regime, but in general I would say yes it was justified - though as you say - that doesn't mean I would condone any act of violence.

    But don't ask me to try and define what acts of violence I would think acceptable or unacceptable - I'm tired and my brain hurts lol  grin12


    Problem is that in armed liberation struggles there is almost always a mixture morally justified and unjustified violence-- the question is whether or not the unjustified acts of violence nullifies the armed liberation struggle entirely.

    The MK (ANC/SACP's paramilitary wing) committed some acts of violence you'd probably consider justified, others you'd consider morally abhorrent. Same with the various incarnations of the IRA, the FLN in Algeria, the NLF in Vietnam. Armed national liberation struggles and domestic revolutions/revolts nearly always involve a fair amount of nastiness on both sides, like war in general.

    To put the question in terms of a situation you are probably more familiar with-- did atrocities by the NLF against suspected collaborators, dissidents, POWs, their own members, and just people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time nullify the justification for armed struggle in Vietnam against foreign occupation?

    Feel free to answer when your brain stops hurting  Smiley I think this topic is an ethically complex one.

    fuck you
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #807 - March 17, 2010, 07:13 PM

    In general I would always err on the side of non-violent struggle/resistance. Again I don't know enough about specifics of the NLF, so I can only give the same answer I gave above and would have to assess each act of violence on a case by case basis whether I would say it was justified or not. (and I'm not in the mood for doing that right now.)

    Yes of course I realise that ugly things happen - and tough decisions have to be made - but I would never condone any act that I felt was unethical/immoral/unjustified - killed innocents etc... I think there are always other options. They may be harder - more risky - and may result in losing/getting killed etc... But frankly I'd rather lose my own life on an impossible option than live with the blood of innocents or the guilt of the wrong I had done - that would be no victory and would indeed destroy whatever cause I thought I was fighting for.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #808 - March 17, 2010, 07:16 PM

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    But frankly I'd rather lose my own life on an impossible option than live with the blood of innocents or the guilt of the wrong

    I think I need to clone million   Hassans.,  10000 per each country..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #809 - March 17, 2010, 08:19 PM



    That was one weird video, Yeezee! Not sure what you thought I might like about it? The cruelty to an animal? The magic voodoo shit? The strange chanting? or their snazzy dress sense?

    But thanks anyway  Afro
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