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  • Re: Israel
     Reply #60 - February 18, 2010, 10:30 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 18, 2010, 10:19 PM
     Needless to say almost every muslim family claims a connection.  In fact my dad from Siddique and my mum from the main main himself.


    My dad proudly showed me a family tree in a Mosque in el-Manial that showed how "Radwan" was related to the Prophet through Fatimah.

    Let's face it - all forms of tribalism, racial pride etc... is utter bollocks! (And that includes those who think their race was God's 'chosen people')

    I always say that those who claim the superiority of their race or nation are usually the worst examples of it!
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #61 - February 18, 2010, 10:31 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 18, 2010, 10:29 PM
    billy! Lebanese are NOT *real* Arabs... they're Phonecians... Palestinians are not real Arabs, they're canannites, Egyptians are NOT real arabs, they're, well, egyptians... etc...

    *Real* Arabs look like Indians... Period!  


    What are you some kind of Arab purist?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #62 - February 18, 2010, 10:32 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 10:27 PM
    So, is there like some perfect language in heaven? How do people communicate?




    I would expect a perfect place like paradise would have a perfect language. And Arabic, although very beautiful, is NOT perfect.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #63 - February 18, 2010, 10:33 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 10:16 PM
    I don't know the reference IsLame is referring to, but isn't Arabic the language of heaven?


    Our Palestinian lecturer of modern dialects at SOAS always used to joke that Arabic was "Lughatul-Jannah" (The language of paradise) and so if we didn't learn it we wouldn't be able to talk to anyone.  grin12
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #64 - February 18, 2010, 10:34 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 10:31 PM
    What are you some kind of Arab purist?



    Are you implying I'm favoring Arabs? Fuck Arabs, both real and the so-called Arabs (except Egyptians and Iraqis).
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #65 - February 18, 2010, 10:34 PM
    so what are you and what have you got against arabs?
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  • Re: Israel
     Reply #66 - February 18, 2010, 10:35 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 18, 2010, 10:32 PM
    I would expect a perfect place like paradise would have a perfect language. And Arabic, although very beautiful, is NOT perfect.


    To me 'perfection' sounds like hell, not heaven. Language is beautiful precisely because it is not 'perfect' (what does perfection in language mean anyway?) and can therefore be shaped by individuals and people to use to articulate human emotion and thoughts - its miscegenated and messy and flexible and maleable. That's why its so good.

    Heaven is boring.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #67 - February 18, 2010, 10:36 PM
    @ Islame

    I put in my face in my hands and admit that I'm a real Arab... the shame is unbearable, but I'll live.  
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #68 - February 18, 2010, 10:37 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 10:35 PM
    To me 'perfection' sounds like hell, not heaven. Language is beautiful precisely because it is not 'perfect' (what does perfection in language mean anyway?) and can therefore be shaped by individuals and people to use to articulate human emotion and thoughts - its miscegenated and messy and flexible and maleable. That's why its so good.

    Heaven is boring.




    I agree with you that *sometimes* true beauty can only be born out of imperfection.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #69 - February 18, 2010, 10:37 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 18, 2010, 10:34 PM
    Are you implying I'm favoring Arabs? Fuck Arabs, both real and the so-called Arabs (except Egyptians and Iraqis).


    I'm saying that you're claiming there is such a thing as a 'pure' Arab when the Arab identity is actually one of a mixture of peoples, who have links and loose affiliation but share a language, many common cultural traits and self-awareness, and are intermarried to some extent too.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #70 - February 18, 2010, 10:38 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 10:35 PM
    To me 'perfection' sounds like hell, not heaven


    I'm with you on this - I'd take the human condition with all it's faults over a perfect angel any day!
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #71 - February 18, 2010, 10:39 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 18, 2010, 10:37 PM
    I agree with you that *sometimes* true beauty can only be born out of imperfection.


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  • Re: Israel
     Reply #72 - February 18, 2010, 10:40 PM
    Quote
    I'm with you on this - I'd take the human condition with all it's faults over a perfect angel any day!


    I'd take a perfect angel and make her imperfect and we'd fall in love! Its what true beauty is all about.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #73 - February 18, 2010, 10:41 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 10:31 PM
    What are you some kind of Arab purist?



    He's actually only stating the truth. Their is a racial Arab and a cultural Arab. Lebs, Gippos, Palis, Tunis, Algos - they all be cultural arabs.. basically mediterean peoples who were islamicized and arabized. The Gulf Arabs are the "real" Arabs. Kind of like the difference between a genuine ethnic Englishman vs a culturally English migrant.

    Quote from: debunker on February 18, 2010, 10:29 PM

    *Real* Arabs look like Indians... Period!  


    Well not really. By "brown" I distinctly mean the south asian racial category - that weird mix of iranian with dravidian racial characteristics which pretty much all Indians/Pakistanis/Bengalis comprimise.

    Sure real original Arabs might by mostly brown in skin tone, but they're semitic racial characteristics are very distinct from Indians.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #74 - February 18, 2010, 10:41 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 10:37 PM
    I'm saying that you're claiming there is such a thing as a 'pure' Arab when the Arab identity is actually one of a mixture of peoples, who have links and loose affiliation but share a language, many common cultural traits and self-awareness, and are intermarried to some extent too.


    Well, I was making the point to Iblis when he said that Indians can't be Arabs since they're brown when the fact is real or pure Arabs are quite brown and very Indian looking... except for like 1% of real Arabs who tend to have different looks.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #75 - February 18, 2010, 10:44 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 18, 2010, 10:41 PM

    Well not really. By "brown" I distinctly mean the south asian racial category - that weird mix of iranian with dravidian racial characteristics which pretty much all Indians/Pakistanis/Bengalis comprimise.

    Sure real original Arabs might by mostly brown in skin tone, but they're semitic racial characteristics are very distinct from Indians.


    Ok, take a look at this dude and guess:
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #76 - February 18, 2010, 10:46 PM
    That guy is Arab.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #77 - February 18, 2010, 10:47 PM
    But he looks very indian too.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #78 - February 18, 2010, 10:53 PM

    I can tell the difference between Arabs and Indians when I see them most of the time.

    There might be some resemblance but I think there is more difference too.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #79 - February 18, 2010, 10:55 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 18, 2010, 10:41 PM
    He's actually only stating the truth. Their is a racial Arab and a cultural Arab. Lebs, Gippos, Palis, Tunis, Algos - they all be cultural arabs.. basically mediterean peoples who were islamicized and arabized. The Gulf Arabs are the "real" Arabs. Kind of like the difference between a genuine ethnic Englishman vs a culturally English migrant.


    Arab identity is wider than just a single ethnic group though, that's what I meant. Egyptians may not be 'pure' Arab but they definitely consider themselves to be part of the Arab 'nation' (very importantly in quotation marks but you know what I mean) -- culturally and artistically they even consider themselves to be the leaders of it!



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #80 - February 18, 2010, 11:02 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 10:55 PM
    Arab identity is wider than just a single ethnic group though, that's what I meant. Egyptians may not be 'pure' Arab but they definitely consider themselves to be part of the Arab 'nation' (very importantly in quotation marks but you know what I mean) -- culturally and artistically they even consider themselves to be the leaders of it!


    Well yes, you're speaking about the cultural Arab.

    But its just like my comparison to being an "english" person. English can have dual meanings. One very restrictive ethno-racial meaning and another very cultural meaning. A person can be culturally English, but racially/ethnically not at all.

    So it's not so much about "purity" or "real" Arabs, but more to do with a ethno-cultural designation that can have multiple meanings and realities.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #81 - February 18, 2010, 11:08 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 10:53 PM
    I can tell the difference between Arabs and Indians when I see them most of the time.

    There might be some resemblance but I think there is more difference too.



    And you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between an Indian and a typical man from Arabia proper. I myself can't tell the difference, except by their clothing or when they speak.

    Take a look at this guy:



    He's an Arab *prince*, but without the Arab clothing, he is not different from a typical Indian guy.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #82 - February 18, 2010, 11:09 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 18, 2010, 10:47 PM
    But he looks very indian too.


    Yeah sure. Many gulf Arabs do. But in general they are quite a distinct group with distinct semitic racial features and are definitely not Indian.

    Of course there are many south asians that could quite easily blend with Arabs. In my youth in Kuwait I never had a problem mixing with Arab kids since they just thought I was a darker skinned Arab kid who didn't speak much... LOL
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #83 - February 18, 2010, 11:09 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 18, 2010, 11:02 PM
    Well yes, you're speaking about the cultural Arab.

    But its just like my comparison to being an "english" person. English can have dual meanings. One very restrictive ethno-racial meaning and another very cultural meaning. A person can be culturally English, but racially/ethnically not at all.

    So it's not so much about "purity" or "real" Arabs, but more to do with a ethno-cultural designation that can have multiple meanings and realities.



    I don't think the English comparison is quite the same - there is a transnational cohesiveness and self-awareness to the hybrid Arab identity that is very notable. Anyway, its a dead end discussion, lets just agree that Arab women are hot whether Lebanese or Egyptian.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #84 - February 18, 2010, 11:11 PM
    Quote
    And you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between an Indian and a typical man from Arabia proper. I myself can't tell the difference, except by their clothing or when they speak.


    Really? I can tell the difference most of the time. I think that whilst there may be a certain amount of look-a-like, there are still differences that you can tell.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #85 - February 18, 2010, 11:14 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 11:09 PM

    I don't think the English comparison is quite the same - there is a transnational cohesiveness and self-awareness to the hybrid Arab identity that is very notable. Anyway, its a dead end discussion, lets just agree that Arab women are hot whether Lebanese or Egyptian.






    Lebanese women are Godesses.

    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #86 - February 18, 2010, 11:14 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 18, 2010, 11:09 PM
    Yeah sure. Many gulf Arabs do. But in general they are quite a distinct group with distinct semitic racial features and are definitely not Indian.

    Of course there are many south asians that could quite easily blend with Arabs. In my youth in Kuwait I never had a problem mixing with Arab kids since they just thought I was a darker skinned Arab kid who didn't speak much... LOL



    Well, when I hang out with Saudi friends here in the US and meet Indians on the street, they think they're Indians too... it happens all the time... I think the only two racially different groups that look so much a like are Indians and real Arabs.

    Here's another photo of another Arab Sheikh:

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #87 - February 18, 2010, 11:16 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 11:11 PM
    Really? I can tell the difference most of the time. I think that whilst there may be a certain amount of look-a-like, there are still differences that you can tell.



    The difference perhaps is in mannerism.. Indians tend to be polite while Arabs are quite rude and very loud.. very embarassing to hang out with in general.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Israel
     Reply #88 - February 18, 2010, 11:18 PM
    Sure that guy looks Indian. But I'd still guess he's Arab first. There are fine details which divide. The way the beard grows (arabs have straighter more dense beards), physique (arabs are more robust). Gulf Arabs often have distinct negroid qualities like bigger lips and more prevalence of curly hair. Skin tone and texture are often different.

    Though I'm a bit of a weirdo. I can pinpoint racial ethnic characteristics to minute details and pick out specific ethnicties just by looking.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Israel
     Reply #89 - February 18, 2010, 11:18 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 18, 2010, 11:16 PM
    The difference perhaps is in mannerism.. Indians tend to be polite while Arabs are quite rude and very loud.. very embarassing to hang out with in general.


    ROFL
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

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