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 Topic: Loving God

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  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #30 - February 19, 2010, 11:42 PM

    @ Hassan

    And you can't believe how much I like you Hassan! I really wish you the very best in this life AND the next!


    Thank you - same to you my friend  far away hug

    I don't know if there is a next life or not - I truly wish there is, Debunker, believe me. If there is then no God will punish his creatures who have suffered and struggled so hard with the best they could and intention to make sense of this crazy world.
  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #31 - February 19, 2010, 11:45 PM

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    I don't know if there is a next life or not - I truly wish there is, Debunker, believe me. If there is then no God will punish any of us who had struggled so hard with good intention to make sense of this crazy world.


    And God knows how pure your heart is Hassan and he's infinitely merciful...

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #32 - February 19, 2010, 11:45 PM

    DB: Your version reminds me of a teenage girl in awe of a her favourite bandwhilst in the midst of the concert gets a wink from her idol

    Look there are 2 things that I would like to point out, which makes your version baseless

    1)  You ignore that Allah is infinite, him acknowledging you is no biggie
    2)  If you are so inconsequential, why does he care so deeply for your utmost respect & prayer, as repeatedly drilled into the quran

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  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #33 - February 19, 2010, 11:51 PM

    @ Islame

    I have already answered your question in the Exclusive Rooms... God, in the Quran, in so many verses said HE DOES NOT CARE FOR OUR PRAYERS/THANKS/GRATITUDE.. anyway, re-read the whole thing if you're really interested. 

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #34 - February 19, 2010, 11:58 PM

    no, i'm not that interested - its just to help you so you can stop living in your state of dissonance.  Ive shown you the flaw now, either challenge it or stop flouting rubbish.

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  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #35 - February 20, 2010, 12:12 AM

    listen kid, I already told you being patronized by younger people is especially insulting... I don't need your *enlightenment*... it sounds like rubbish to me.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #36 - February 20, 2010, 12:21 AM

    learn to live with it- if you spout indefensible rubbish, then you'll be called on it.  now go find your dummy.

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  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #37 - February 20, 2010, 01:00 AM

    Why? You speak rubbish most of the time and I don't object... if you think what I'm saying is rubbish then quit talking to me... you do realize I'm not dying to talk to you either... now, go find someone else to play smart with.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #38 - February 20, 2010, 01:20 AM

    Letters from Earth, letter VII:

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    You would not suppose that this kind of Being gets many compliments. Undeceive yourself: the world calls him the All-Just, the All-Righteous, the All-Good, the All-Merciful, the All-Forgiving, the All-Truthful, the All-Loving, the Source of All Morality. These sarcasms are uttered daily, all over the world. But not as conscious sarcasms. No, they are meant seriously: they are uttered without a smile.

     It is wonderful, the thorough and comprehensive study which the Creator devoted to the great work of making man miserable. I have said he devised a special affliction-agent for each and every detail of man's structure, overlooking not a single one, and I said the truth. Many poor people have to go barefoot, because they cannot afford shoes. The Creator saw his opportunity. I will remark, in passing, that he always has his eye on the poor. Nine-tenths of his disease-inventions were intended for the poor, and they get them. The well-to-do get only what is left over. Do not suspect me of speaking unheedfully, for it is not so: the vast bulk of the Creator's affliction-inventions are specially designed for the persecution of the poor. You could guess this by the fact that one of the pulpit's finest and commonest names for the Creator is "The Friend of the Poor." Under no circumstances does the pulpit ever pay the Creator a compliment that has a vestige of truth in it. The poor's most implacable and unwearying enemy is their Father in Heaven. The poor's only real friend is their fellow man. He is sorry for them, he pities them, and he shows it by his deeds. He does much to relieve their distresses; and in every case their Father in Heaven gets the credit of it.

    Just so with diseases. If science exterminates a disease which has been working for God, it is God that gets the credit, and all the pulpits break into grateful advertising-raptures and call attention to how good he is! Yes, he has done it. Perhaps he has waited a thousand years before doing it. That is nothing; the pulpit says he was thinking about it all the time. When exasperated men rise up and sweep away an age-long tyranny and set a nation free, the first thing the delighted pulpit does is to advertise it as God's work, and invite the people to get down on their knees and pour out their thanks to him for it. And the pulpit says with admiring emotion, "Let tyrants understand that the Eye that never sleeps is upon them; and let them remember that the Lord our God will not always be patient, but will loose the whirlwinds of his wrath upon them in his appointed day."

    They forget to mention that he is the slowest mover in the universe; that his Eye that never sleeps, might as well, since it takes it a century to see what any other eye would see in a week; that in all history there is not an instance where he thought of a noble deed first, but always thought of it just a little after somebody else had thought of it and done it. He arrives then, and annexes the dividend.


    -Mark Twain

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #39 - February 20, 2010, 03:20 AM

    Before one can love God, one needs to know what one means by God. I cannot understand loving a personal god, but in some sense, I am quite captured by god.

    For Plato, God was defined as the good itself and so loving god, falling madly in love with the good itself was the highest state of mind that a person could acheive. In fact, to be a philo-sopher like Plato was to be a lover of sophia (wisdom, goodness) and so one can see how great a concept it is to be enraptured, intoxicated, enlightened by love for god. To be this drunk on god was the highest ideal, the very purpose of existence. Plato's famous allegory of the cave was precisely about falling in love with god (some academics have even theorised that the process of reaching enlightenment in a mystical sense was apparent in this allegory). Many of the greatest minds in history have fallen in love with this god from Plato and Hallaj to Spinoza and Hegel.

    When I was a devout muslim, I was fascinated with the chance to see the face of God on the day of judgement, a sight said to be so beautiful that one would remain staring for hundreds of years. One can only imagine what  a beautiful sight that can be, how totally enthralling it must be to fall in love with that sight, with that divine face. (ofcourse, i do not know if this is an accurate depiciton of islamic belief, it is only what i heard as a muslim and became fascinated by.)
    My conception of god has changed much since I was a muslim. However, I still, quite literally, fantasize about seeing god and falling in love with him. God is no longer good or bad, this or that, god is purely the good itself, and what a fantastic feeling it must be to swim in the ocean of that great beloved.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #40 - February 20, 2010, 03:26 AM

    @ z10

    on the Islamic claim of seeing God and staring for hundreds of years, I never heard that... but I know that according to Islam, the greatest reward believers get is seeing the face of God.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #41 - February 20, 2010, 03:28 AM

    I guess when an eternity in heaven beckons, hundreds of years lose all meaning but that is what I have heard. After hundreds of years the angels will tear the believers away from the sight of god and take them to their heavenly abodes.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #42 - February 20, 2010, 03:30 AM

    Nature isn't that beautiful anyway.  Sure there is plenty of beauty in it but plenty of cruelty and ugliness too.  Why should I love a God who created tapeworms and the Ebola virus? 


    The beauty, i find atleast, is not in some particular aspect or object of reality, but really, what is beautiful is that there is anything at all!

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #43 - February 20, 2010, 03:36 AM

    The beauty, i find atleast, is not in some particular aspect or object of reality, but really, what is beautiful is that there is anything at all!


    Shit bro, have you tried these lines on bitches? I'm gonna. Those new age hippie skanks would eat that shit up.

    Can't wait for the next anti-war rally.  Afro

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #44 - February 20, 2010, 03:39 AM

    haha, you are welcome to  Afro

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #45 - February 20, 2010, 03:53 AM

    When I first moved from theism to atheism a few months ago i was depressed at the idea of there being no afterlife. Now I kinda think it would be easiest if there were no afterlife, you just die and then that's it, all your worries end. Now I don't quite get why people are so afraid of not going to heaven or of accepting the reality that humans are just another species out of the many species on this planet. Its like they have such a big ego that accepting they're just another species is outrageous to them.
  • Re: Loving God
     Reply #46 - February 20, 2010, 03:54 AM

    When I first moved from theism to atheism a few months ago i was depressed at the idea of there being no afterlife. Now I kinda think it would be easiest if there were no afterlife, you just die and then that's it. Now I don't quite get why people are so afraid of not going to heaven or of accepting the reality that humans are just another species out of the many species on this planet. Its like they have such a big ego that accepting they're just another species is outrageous to them.


    Does your mom believe in an afterlife?

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

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