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  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #60 - February 21, 2010, 02:42 PM
    OK to be clear I am not sure what the Sunni scholars say about that, the virgin silence.

    Will do, but a quick look as well:

    http://al-kafi.org/Contents.htm
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #61 - February 21, 2010, 02:46 PM
    It's a very innocent Hadith...


    Quote
    إذاً ما هي حكاية أن السكوت علامة الرضا؟ هل هذا الكلام صحيح؟ نقول: نعم، صحيح، ولكن في نكاح البكر، فالنبي عليه الصلاة والسلام قال: (تستأمر البكر، فقالوا: يا رسول الله! إن البكر تستحيي. قال: إذنها سكوتها) فسكوت البكر علامة على رضاها، فلأبيها أن يمضي العقد لمجرد سكوتها. ربما يقول قائل: فكيف نفرق إذاً بين السكوت الذي هو علامة الرضا والسكوت الذي هو علامة السخط؟ نقول: بالسياق، وعلماء الأصول يقولون: (السياق من المقيدات). فالسياق: هو الذي يرشدك إلى المعنى، فمثلاً التبسم


    http://audio.islamweb.net/audio/index.php?page=FullContent&audioid=106062
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #62 - February 21, 2010, 02:47 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 21, 2010, 02:42 PM
    Will do, but a quick look as well:

    http://al-kafi.org/Contents.htm


    Wow! That's a very small book, compared to Bukhari/Muslim... it's like 1/6 the size of Bukhari's book.  Huh?
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #63 - February 21, 2010, 02:51 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 21, 2010, 01:23 PM
    i think you have spent to much time on ffi to be honest, i think either you are black and white in terms of thinking "the filthy dirty west" or ffi has created this mindset OR influenced it, where it was maybe a little "west is bad" has now turned into 99% of westerns can't wipe their ass and rimming is a popular past-time.


    Cheesy No one can take away the crown from you, BD Cheesy
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #64 - February 21, 2010, 02:54 PM
    Yeah I know I don't think it's the entire thing though. The sunnis have worked better at bringing material online.

    There is also Najul Al Balaga. I think hadiths are taken from here as well:

    http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #65 - February 21, 2010, 02:56 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 21, 2010, 02:47 PM
    Wow! That's a very small book, compared to Bukhari/Muslim... it's like 1/6 the size of Bukhari's book.  Huh?


    There is one hadith that disturbed when I was a muslim. It was one of them Imams, he had a prayer to protect him from owls and animals of the forest, and also said like strange mythical creatures. I'm not sure if it's poorly translated or even accurate but I felt uneasy reading it. So superstitious.

    There are also hadiths repeated by the Imams about embryology. Really poor science. One of the Imams was rehashing the hadiths from the Sunni collection and the Quranic verses, about how to know where the boy got his looks from or where the girl got it from and so on.
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #66 - February 21, 2010, 03:01 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 21, 2010, 02:51 PM
    Cheesy No one can take away the crown from you, BD Cheesy


     grin12
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #67 - February 21, 2010, 03:04 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 21, 2010, 02:47 PM
    Wow! That's a very small book, compared to Bukhari/Muslim... it's like 1/6 the size of Bukhari's book.  Huh?


    Also more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitab_al-Kafi

  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #68 - February 21, 2010, 03:08 PM
    I mean check this:

    Quote
    343. 1. Imam Muhammad al-Baqir (p) was requested to comment on the verse: O Believers! Fear God and be with those who are truthful. (Q, 9:119)
    The Imam (p) explained: We (the Infallible Imams) are the truthful ones.

    344. 5. Prophet Muhammad (p): Anyone who wants to live like me and die like me, and desires to enter the gardens of everlasting bliss created by God with His own hands, should remain loyal to Imam Ali (p) and be a friend to his friends, an enemy to his enemy, and also remain loyal to his successors because they are my progeny, my flesh and blood and God has bestowed on them my wisdom and knowledge. To God I will complain against those of my followers who deny their excellence and reject their affinity to me. I swear by God, they will kill my son (Imam al-Husayn (p)) and I shall not be an intercessor for them.

    http://al-kafi.org/bok%204.htm


    Tell me what the problem here is Debunker. How do you think I should interpret this?

    btw Shia Islam is adamant on the infallibility of the Imams, the Prophet and Fatima. They can not do any mistakes, not in actions and not in words and not in thoughts. Yet they are humans? God has protected them from mistakes but not us. And they have the power of intercession. If God wants to put me to hell, they can discuss it with him and say have mercy on him. And then God changes his mind?

    What are your thoughts in this form of intercession?
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #69 - February 21, 2010, 03:47 PM
    @ BD

    The Shia Hadith above is simply an order from the prophet, which if disobeyed Paradise is lost. This Hadith says whoever doesn't believe in Ali's right to rulership does not go to Paradise, which is too much I must say.

    As for intercession, Muhammed, the prophets AND angels are given the honor of intercession in the hereafter, HOWEVER we CANNOT pray for their intercession.

    For example, you can ask your father to pray for you but when he dies, he becomes part of the unseen and asking anyone who is part of the unseen (your father, a prophet, Mary, the Saints or angels) amounts to a supplication, a prayer, albeit a prayer for an intercession and this is, of course, shirk.

    As for the infallibility of prophets, I have discussed this in a Shia forum... according to Quran, the prophets ARE fallible --> Ali CANNOT be infallible.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #70 - February 21, 2010, 03:58 PM
    BTW,

    another Sunni Hadith used by anti-Islam sites as another evidence for allowing the marriage of little girls is the Hadith where the prophet said to one of his companions that he should have married a virgin so that they could play with each other...

    First off "play" is not the accurate translation, but anyway, the meaning of that Hadith according to Orthodox Sunnis is that a virgin wife is more joyful, if you will, with her husband, and it's easier for a virgin to become attached to her husband than a it is for a previously married woman.

     
    Quote
    الاعتبار الثالث أن تكون بكراً لا ثيباً قد مسها أحد قبلك، فإن الله امتن على أهل الجنة بالحور العين وأنهن لم يمسهن أحد فقال: فِيهِنَّ قَاصِرَاتُ الطَّرْفِ لَمْ يَطْمِثْهُنَّ إِنْسٌ قَبْلَهُمْ وَلا جَانٌّ [الرحمن:56]، وهذه من أكبر المنن على المتزوج، فالمتزوج ينبغي أن يتخير البكر؛ لأنه إذا اقترب منها وهو أول واحد مسها دخل بسرعة إلى قلبها، بل يأسرها بعد البناء ويكون عندها هو الوحيد ولا تنظر إلى غيره، وقد أشار النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لـجابر بذلك كما في البخاري فقال (يا جابر أتزوجت؟ قال: نعم! قال: تزوجت بكراً أم ثيباً؟ فقال: بل ثيباً، فقال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: هلا تزوجت بكراً تلاعبها وتلاعبك)، وفي رواية: (تداعبها وتداعبك)، فبين له أن البكر يميل قلبها إلى الذي مسها أولاً، والذي يبني بها يكون أحب الناس إليها، فالبكر هي أولى النساء التي لا بد أن يتخيرها الرجل

     http://audio.islamweb.net/audio/index.php?page=FullContent&audioid=178441

    Yet this Hadith along with the other one (silence of a virgin is acceptance) are routinely used by anti-Islam sites as two more occasions where marrying off little girls is advocated when this has nothing to do with the meaning of the Hadith.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #71 - February 21, 2010, 04:13 PM
    Quote from: iffo on February 21, 2010, 12:56 PM
    If tissue paper  is available, tissue and water. But if tissue is not available only water. I don't see any problem in using water and then cleaning your hand with soap. Better than just using tissue and being filthy all day. Its your own ass. Its not that I am doing rimming which is quite popular practice in west, if you know what rimming is.

     Roll Eyes

    I think someone needs a good rimming...
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #72 - February 21, 2010, 04:26 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 21, 2010, 03:58 PM
    BTW,

    another Sunni Hadith used by anti-Islam sites as another evidence for allowing the marriage of little girls is the Hadith where the prophet said to one of his companions that he should have married a virgin so that they could play with each other...

    First off "play" is not the accurate translation, but anyway, the meaning of that Hadith according to Orthodox Sunnis is that a virgin wife is more joyful, if you will, with her husband, and it's easier for a virgin to become attached to her husband than a it is for a previously married woman.

      http://audio.islamweb.net/audio/index.php?page=FullContent&audioid=178441

    Yet this Hadith along with the other one (silence of a virgin is acceptance) are routinely used by anti-Islam sites as two more occasions where marrying off little girls is advocated when this has nothing to do with the meaning of the Hadith.

    And what about verse 65:4? Not sure if any one else brought it up yet but that verse allows marriage to young girls of any age, including before puberty. The verse discusses divorce and waiting periods, and waiting periods only apply when a marriage has been consummated.
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #73 - February 21, 2010, 04:39 PM
    Quote from: iffo on February 21, 2010, 12:14 PM
    I don't know who told you all  that, or you just made it up. What you wrote about paper been sacred and all that is not true, its all about cleanliness and we don't feel just tissue make you clean. But if I stick around I will try to educate you more about some misconceptions.

    Dude, all I can gauge from your response is that you probably haven’t understood a thing as far as my post is concerned.

    Let’s try one thing at a time.

    What is your opinion regarding my statement that in Islam possibility and actuality are often fused?

  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #74 - February 21, 2010, 04:49 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on February 21, 2010, 04:26 PM
    And what about verse 65:4? Not sure if any one else brought it up yet but that verse allows marriage to young girls of any age, including before puberty. The verse discusses divorce and waiting periods, and waiting periods only apply when a marriage has been consummated.


    That was discussed in my very first post in this site.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8240.msg206742#msg206742
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Why Women, are a symbol of Sin in Islam ?
     Reply #75 - February 21, 2010, 04:54 PM
    Sorry, but I'm locking this thread! Somebody needs to clean it up.

    Edit: Thanks to the mod who cleaned it up. Wink
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  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #76 - February 21, 2010, 07:13 PM
    Today seems to a "grudge against the moderator of COEM" for me.

    Isn't it unfair to give the credit to iffo for starting this shitty thread? Iffo didn't start this discussion as far as I can determine.

    Debunker has been requesting us to be nice to iffo as he is from FFI. Is this the way we accede to his request?

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #77 - February 21, 2010, 07:14 PM
    *Weary sigh*.  The thread was split from the first off topic post onwards, and that happens to be Iffo's post.  Its got nothing to do with giving him credit.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #78 - February 21, 2010, 07:17 PM
    Cheesy

    I love the title of the thread Cheetah!
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #79 - February 21, 2010, 07:19 PM
    Thanks Cheetah!

    You could have named the thread "Ideology of ass-wiping" instead. You know, to give a bit of style.

  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #80 - February 21, 2010, 07:29 PM
    I think once the words ass and wipe were in the title I gave up on aiming for any kind of style.   dance
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #81 - February 21, 2010, 07:29 PM
    I disagree! the title is perfect.... it's shocking in its simplicity Smiley How to wipe your ass? It's as if she's asking: "How silly can you guys get?" Cheesy
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #82 - February 21, 2010, 07:30 PM
    Exactly! 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #83 - February 21, 2010, 07:37 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 21, 2010, 07:29 PM
    It's as if she's asking: "How silly can you guys get?" Cheesy

    Actually I couldn't disagree more. Ass wiping is a serious business deeply rooted in ideology and I do hope that iffo will grant me a reply.

    Toilets and ideology:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwTJXHNP0bg
  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #84 - February 21, 2010, 07:37 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on February 21, 2010, 07:14 PM
    *Weary sigh*.  The thread was split from the first off topic post onwards, and that happens to be Iffo's post.  Its got nothing to do with giving him credit.


    Cheesy Sorry, I am just trying to rob BD of his crown.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #85 - February 21, 2010, 07:39 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on February 21, 2010, 07:37 PM
    Actually I couldn't disagree more. Ass wiping is a serious business deeply rooted in ideology and I do hope that iffo will grant me a reply.


    Cheesy
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #86 - February 21, 2010, 07:46 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 21, 2010, 07:39 PM
    Cheesy

    The problem with being a village idiot is that people think that one is taking the piss even when one is being (half) serious.
  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #87 - February 21, 2010, 07:46 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on February 21, 2010, 07:37 PM
    Actually I couldn't disagree more. Ass wiping is a serious business deeply rooted in ideology and I do hope that iffo will grant me a reply.

    Toilets and ideology:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwTJXHNP0bg


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  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #88 - February 21, 2010, 08:07 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on February 21, 2010, 07:46 PM
    The problem with being a village idiot is that people think that one is taking the piss even when one is being (half) serious.


    But whoever thinks that one is taking a piss when one is being half or full serious is not an idiot; he is right in his assumption.

    I haven't seen anyone taking a piss in jest or in response to some joke. Pissing IS a serious business.

    But who said that one can't laugh about a serious business?
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: How to wipe your ass
     Reply #89 - February 21, 2010, 08:15 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 21, 2010, 08:07 PM
    But whoever thinks that one is taking a piss when one is being half or full serious is not an idiot; he is right in his assumption.

    I haven't seen anyone taking a piss in jest or in response to some joke. Pissing IS a serious business.

    But who said that one can't laugh about a serious business?

    All true!
    To clarify: the village idiot thing was a reference to myself.
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