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  • Islame's Rants
     OP - February 23, 2010, 05:47 PM

    Went to an Islamic funeral last week.  We started at the house, where the widow was reading the Quran and told us the we should all read as much quran as possible over the next three days, because thats how long God takes to tott up all the good we have done against all the bad.

    Not sure how us reading the quran adds to his good deeds but I digress. 

    The poor man was on a flight to the UK after visiting his son in Dubai.  He died from a heart attack whilst having a poo in the toilet, half an hour before the flight was due to land. 

    At the funeral,  the mullah started asking where Kaaba was and told them to stop the lowering of the coffin.

    He then started pointing to the screws of the lid, and asked the distraught sons to open the coffin!!  They opened it, and he asked them to pull down the white sheet to reveal their father's grey sullen face.

    The mullah then grabs the head and ratchetted it sideways (he looked like rigamortice had set in as he had to apply some pressure) .  All this just so the face could point to Kaaba. 

    I found it quite disturbing, and when I got home I sent this email to my brothers & sister in case I die before getting round to making a will and my mum overrides everyone else and carries out my funeral the way she wants too

    Quote from: Islame's circular email
    Hi

    For the record guys/girls – just been thinking about ... having his rigamortised head yanked into the direction of Kaaba on his burial. 

    If I die & .. not around either, then I want a proper Humanist burial, with no tribal burial customs with Islamic influence eg. no naked body washing etc. 

    Just stick my body in the ground near a tree and turn my into worm fodder and tree fertiliser so the end of my life can hopefully help breathe life into new ones.

    It should be a happy and jovial occasion not one surrounded by sorrow. Photos of my family, my life, mistakes, etc so the new generation can learn from my mistakes/successes.

    Yours

    Bijaan

    P.S Also pls send a donation from my estate to coem or an equivalent exmuslim forum/venture at the time ..



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  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #1 - February 23, 2010, 06:03 PM

    Freaky!

    How absurd to think that God should be concerned which way a dead body is facing.
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #2 - February 23, 2010, 06:05 PM

    Not only that but the last wash? Why would God need that? Seems like a very human ritual. Where does that originate from?
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #3 - February 23, 2010, 06:20 PM


    That is repulsive. What a horrible, senseless thing to do.

    RIP to the fella too, what a way to go.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #4 - February 23, 2010, 06:20 PM

    "Just stick my body in the ground near a tree and turn my into worm fodder and tree fertiliser so the end of my life can hopefully help breathe life into new ones.

    It should be a happy and jovial occasion not one surrounded by sorrow. Photos of my family, my life, mistakes, etc so the new generation can learn from my mistakes/successes."

    Very commendable! This is how I see my funeral as well.
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #5 - February 23, 2010, 06:30 PM

    Yeah actually why does it have to be so sullen? Shit the last thing I want them is to be miserable. I rather them remember that I loved them and leave them laughing at silly things that I've done, since I'm to self-conscious to make fun of myself for an extended period.
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #6 - February 23, 2010, 06:53 PM

    Islame, that is so sad. What a disgusting thing for the mullah to do and the worst thing is that the poor sons most likely thought it was something commendable and just went with whatever this "authority" figure said.
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #7 - February 23, 2010, 07:20 PM

    That is terrible :( I'm going for a "jazz funeral" when I die.  They have a band play for you and singers and everything.  Hopefully someone will get some beads at my funeral. 


    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #8 - February 23, 2010, 07:22 PM

    Yeah actually why does it have to be so sullen? Shit the last thing I want them is to be miserable.

    It's not easy to be happy when someone's just died, I cant see why that is difficult to get your head around? I don't agree with funerals being OTT about being upset (like in our funerals the older women wail as loudly as possible and you can tell they're not actually crying), but sullenness should be expected.
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #9 - February 23, 2010, 07:23 PM


    After seeing my family are taken care of, I will leave a sum of money in my will for my friends and family to have a massive party on the first anniversary of my death and remember me with music, fun and laughter.

    And then, for my closest female friends, a sum of money for a weekend at a health spa.

    For my male friends, money for strippers and booze at a sleazy pub.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #10 - February 23, 2010, 07:26 PM

    sexist! I'd prefer booze and strippers to a bloody spa Tongue
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #11 - February 23, 2010, 07:27 PM

    sexist! I'd prefer booze and strippers to a bloody spa Tongue


    +1.

    That's awful though, it's insane to think that any god would care about what direction a body was facing.  What mad rituals.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #12 - February 23, 2010, 07:28 PM

    Quote
    sexist! I'd prefer booze and strippers to a bloody spa

     

    My female buddies aren't really like that!

    Maybe I should ask them and if they'd prefer they could go to a male stripper pub instead  though, to commemorate my demise.




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #13 - February 23, 2010, 07:33 PM

    It's not easy to be happy when someone's just died, I cant see why that is difficult to get your head around? I don't agree with funerals being OTT about being upset (like in our funerals the older women wail as loudly as possible and you can tell they're not actually crying), but sullenness should be expected.


    its not hard for me to get my head around it, and of course i would be sad and of course people would be sullen, and its a mourning process, but does it have to be grim? like all hope lost? of course I imagine my death to come at a late age, by natural causes, so i had my time, dont complain you old geezer, but its different if the death was unexpected and young and tragic

    and yeah if i died i would still want people to remember me joyously, call me crazy
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #14 - February 23, 2010, 07:34 PM

    I prefer female strippers, it's fun to point out fake boobs Tongue

    Your female buddies are boring! Leave the money to me and Berbs, we'll put it to real use!! Cheesy How does a stripper at your funeral sound? Tongue
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #15 - February 23, 2010, 07:41 PM


    now you mention it......

    my family would want to do it all the straight and usual way, they are quite straight, but an evening at a sleazy pub with strippers the night of my funeral for my closest friends seems like a good idea  Afro


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #16 - February 23, 2010, 08:00 PM

    hmm thats a bit bizarre, that mullah should be charged for abuse of corpse
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #17 - February 23, 2010, 10:36 PM

    Never knew that happened at a Muslim funeral, damn I don't want that to happen to me, personally I would rather my body goes to furthering a good cause as Islame mentioned and I hope I leave my family with enough money to take care of them and those close to me.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #18 - February 23, 2010, 10:54 PM

    The other thing that gets me about Muslim funerals is that even in death a woman's body is haram for men.  C'mon!  She's dead!...  Oh, wait!  lipsrsealed

     grin12

    This thread reminds me of what my coworker's sister went through when her baby was stillborn.  All the dramatics of it!  Completely unneccessary.

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  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #19 - February 23, 2010, 11:01 PM

    The other thing that gets me about Muslim funerals is that even in death a woman's body is haram for men.  C'mon!  She's dead!...  Oh, wait!  lipsrsealed

     grin12

    This thread reminds me of what my coworker's sister went through when her baby was stillborn.  All the dramatics of it!  Completely unneccessary.


    lol Allah does not want his men to be tempted to engage in necrophilia.

    When a baby is born, the eldest person (man) in the room is meant to whisper something in that baby's ear something like 'There is no god, but Allah, and Muhammad is his final messenger.'

    Not that I believe this is harmful but is it not really necessary, just another stupid ritual in my view.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #20 - February 24, 2010, 12:38 AM


    The poor man was on a flight to the UK after visiting his son in Dubai.  He died from a heart attack whilst having a poo in the toilet, half an hour before the flight was due to land. 



    Fuckin hell, how big was it then?

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #21 - February 24, 2010, 07:53 AM

    Never heard of turning face to Kabah before.. Maybe a custom or so.. Anyway I will ask someone with more knowledge. If it is so, then let it be..


    " Another practice which has no foundation in the practice of the Prophet (s.a.w) and his companions, is turning the body of one who is dying so that he or she faces the Qiblah (i.e. the Ka'bah in Makkah). Turning the body became a custom after the time of the Prophet's companions, but was objected to by leading scholars of that time. "

    source: http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/funeral.htm
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #22 - February 24, 2010, 10:38 AM

    I want to be cremated.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #23 - February 24, 2010, 10:43 AM

    I would love to be cremated viking style, on a pyre, with some cool music playing in the background lol.  Then after I want everyone to go and get rip roaring drunk, and hopefully remember me with fondness.

    Realistically barely anyone will turn up aside from my kids.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #24 - February 24, 2010, 11:01 AM

    I want to be turned into a cake and fed to the starving people of Ethiopia...

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #25 - February 25, 2010, 10:37 PM

    Freaky!

    How absurd to think that God should be concerned which way a dead body is facing.


    With all due respect, ya Hassan, I think you're failing to grasp the importance of symbolism in Islam. I quite like the thought that devout Muslims who prayed towards the Kaba in life, point towards it in death.

    Many of the Islamic funeral traditions have larger significance than what your average shmo would realise (you, of course are no average shmo :-)). The prohibition of gravestones emphasises equality; no man's riches are on display in the graveyard. The prince and the peasant are indistinguishable.

    Wow. Got a bit carried away there. Point still stands. Many 'mindless' traditions are anything but. Look a little closer.
     

    ...nor shall they encompass aught of His knowledge, except as He willeth...
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #26 - February 25, 2010, 10:40 PM

    With all due respect, ya Hassan, I think you're failing to grasp the importance of symbolism in Islam. I quite like the thought that devout Muslims who prayed towards the Kaba in life, point towards it in death.

    Many of the Islamic funeral traditions have larger significance than what your average shmo would realise (you, of course are no average shmo :-)). The prohibition of gravestones emphasises equality; no man's riches are on display in the graveyard. The prince and the peasant are indistinguishable.

    Wow. Got a bit carried away there. Point still stands. Many 'mindless' traditions are anything but. Look a little closer.
      


    Give me a fucking break. A dude breaking into a coffin to crack a dead dudes neck in a certain direction because of a fake religion is totaly bullshit and wrong. That imam should be arrested and locked away for abusing corpses.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #27 - February 25, 2010, 10:50 PM

    Quote
    Give me a fucking break. A dude breaking into a coffin to crack a dead dudes neck in a certain direction because of a fake religion is totaly bullshit and wrong. That imam should be arrested and locked away for abusing corpses.


    Satan,

    I was actually commenting on Hassan's post in which he questioned the God's apparent concern for burial position. I agree the Imam acted in bad taste.


    ...nor shall they encompass aught of His knowledge, except as He willeth...
  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #28 - February 25, 2010, 10:52 PM

    Satan,


    Smiley

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Islame's Rants
     Reply #29 - February 25, 2010, 11:21 PM

    With all due respect, ya Hassan, I think you're failing to grasp the importance of symbolism in Islam. I quite like the thought that devout Muslims who prayed towards the Kaba in life, point towards it in death.

    Many of the Islamic funeral traditions have larger significance than what your average shmo would realise (you, of course are no average shmo :-)). The prohibition of gravestones emphasises equality; no man's riches are on display in the graveyard. The prince and the peasant are indistinguishable.

    Wow. Got a bit carried away there. Point still stands. Many 'mindless' traditions are anything but. Look a little closer.


    There was a time when I took comfort in symbolism and rituals. I saw them as having a deeper meaning and connecting me to God and the natural order he created.

    Now I see things differently. I cannot believe such symbolism and rituals have anything to do with God - if there is one - they are entirely human creations. In this case motivated by the fear and uncertainty of death and the desire to surround it with something that might make us feel better.

    Of course for the believer it does the job - it makes them feel better.

    To me now, it is no different to a witch doctor rattling bones - a shrunken head on a stick to ward away evil spirits - or burying one's mummified pets in a tomb so they can enter the next world with you - and so on.

    Choose your symbolism - and enjoy!

    But don't expect me not to find it all very silly and superstitious

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