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  • Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     OP - February 24, 2010, 12:14 PM
    This comment was posted on my video called prayer which was a very personal one where I open myself up a little.

    If I had seen that video as a Muslim I would never have mocked, laughed or taken pleasure in whatever hardship that person had gone through.

    Yet I often get comments like the one below. It astonishes me they can't see how it reflects so badly on them and their faith.

    It also makes me laugh how he adds: 'May Allah show u the right way.' I wonder how on earth they reconcile that with laughing at another's misfortune?

    llMuhammedZaill (16 hours ago)   0    Reply | Spam
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    HAAAAAAA my friend u fale in your test my friend but it's ok try again try again May ALLAH show u the right way.

    As a teacher I also can't help but cringe at some of the awful spellings I see in comments lol

    This is the vid btw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeaEBaoTQn8
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #1 - February 24, 2010, 12:20 PM
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    As a teacher I also can't help but cringe at some of the awful spellings I see in comments


    Tell me about it! We seem to have part of a generation who are functionally illiterate, it really gets on my nerves when I read communication like this.

    As to the mockery of those people - just remember, Islam has conditioned them to be like that. It has concealed their sympathy and humanity. But, as you know, there is always the possibility that they can change.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #2 - February 24, 2010, 12:22 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 24, 2010, 12:20 PM
    Islam has conditioned them to be like that. It has concealed their sympathy and humanity. But, as you know, there is always the possibility that they can change.


    Well put!  Afro
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #3 - February 24, 2010, 12:26 PM
    Hassan, comments like that are simply part and parcel of the mentality that islam (and other religions) breed. With islam though, it seems to be a huge problem of thinking that muslims are somehow theologically superior than the others. It seems as though whatever the outcome of the test that Allah sets, he always wins!
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #4 - February 24, 2010, 12:29 PM
    You should see some of the comments I got when I first posted my story on FFI, really nasty.  Telling me that I deserved it etc etc.

    Like you, even as a muslim, Islam could never have trained out my empathy for anothers pain and I would never have mocked them.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #5 - February 24, 2010, 12:32 PM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on February 24, 2010, 12:26 PM
    Hassan, comments like that are simply part and parcel of the mentality that islam (and other religions) breed. With islam though, it seems to be a huge problem of thinking that muslims are somehow theologically superior than the others. It seems as though whatever the outcome of the test that Allah sets, he always wins!


    But I'm quite sure that you nor any of the ex-Muslims here would ever have reacted like this.

    I suspect it is an attitude that is more prevalent amongs a certain 'type' of Muslims - the guy who says "I'm Jus' Sayin'" for example - the sort of self-righteous bullies who actually have no real sense of morality.
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #6 - February 24, 2010, 12:33 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 24, 2010, 12:29 PM
    You should see some of the comments I got when I first posted my story on FFI, really nasty.  Telling me that I deserved it etc etc.

    Like you, even as a muslim, Islam could never have trained out my empathy for anothers pain and I would never have mocked them.


    It's unbelievable  far away hug
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #7 - February 24, 2010, 12:37 PM
    " May ALLAH show u the right way."

    Whoever that person was, he prayed to God to guide you, whats wrong with that? It is his belief and he offered his sympathy through praying to God to guide you and protect you from a torment that awaits unbelievers. You could have in return said, thanks for praying for me, .........
    I don't see anything wrong with the last sentence " May ALLAH show u the right way", what he said before is could be due to he wasn't being serious. I agree with you that sometime it does leave bad impression on faith, but hey everyone is not perfect and you have allow for concession in some cases.



    Anyway
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #8 - February 24, 2010, 12:39 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 24, 2010, 12:32 PM
    the sort of self-righteous bullies who actually have no real sense of morality.


    Bullying is the key here. They are chauvinists with a particular sense of their place in the circle of life - as dominant over others. Islam, or at least, the non-benign form of Islam that they have had inculcated, contributes to this reflexive mode of contempt and bully boy dynamics.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #9 - February 24, 2010, 12:39 PM
    There were indeed some vary nasty comments posted as a response to your video, some even worse than the one you mentioned.

    Imho the posters of such comments feel personally offended by your rejection of what their whole lives are based on.

    Because they cannot muster a sensical response they try and do their best to offend you back. In a strange way they are actually acknowledging that your videos do make a difference. Such comments however do reflect poorly on them - they are essentially dehumanizing themselves.

    Don't let such crap bring you down - what you are doing is in fact making a difference.

    Your videos did help me to see things more clearly. Thanks Hassan!
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #10 - February 24, 2010, 12:42 PM
    Quote from: xtr00 on February 24, 2010, 12:37 PM
    sympathy


    That's what's wrong with it.  Sympathy, patronisation... the assumption that the other person is misguided or that he is doing so out anger or negative emotion.

    I have little doubt that the person who said that did so with good intentions but its still wrong.  The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    Quote from: xtr00 on February 24, 2010, 12:37 PM
    through praying to God to guide you and protect you from a torment that awaits unbelievers.


    A torment which you say that your allah himself created.  

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #11 - February 24, 2010, 12:45 PM

    That's true Kenan. Remember, Islam is the only religion or belief system in the world that mandates murder for apostacy. With other religions, if you reject them, fellow adherents may express dissapointment and dismay, they maye even express derision, but Islam is the only religion that says you must be murdered. This has an effect beyond the horror of what it actually is - it fructifies the social taboo of criticism and dissent from Islam to such an extent that terror reigns and thuggish intimidation is righteous and acceptable against anyone who deviates from the bully boy 'acceptable' version of things. Otherwise sane, pleasent men and women can become, well, I'm sure you have seen and heard it yourself.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #12 - February 24, 2010, 12:48 PM
    Quote from: xtr00 on February 24, 2010, 12:37 PM
    It is his belief and he offered his sympathy through praying to God to guide you and protect you from a torment that awaits unbelievers.


    You mean, the mad, sadistic, perverted serial-killer tortures that this evil cruel wicked entity called Allah plans for all of those who don't care for his sadistic and torturing and murderous punishments? No wonder so many believing Muslims are so cruel and sadistic in their rhetoric and speech towards 'kuffars', when the entity they worship has the morality and ethics of a sadistic, murdering, torturing serial killer and cannibal.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #13 - February 24, 2010, 12:48 PM
    Quote from: xtr00 on February 24, 2010, 12:37 PM
    " May ALLAH show u the right way."

    Whoever that person was, he prayed to God to guide you, whats wrong with that? It is his belief and he offered his sympathy through praying to God to guide you and protect you from a torment that awaits unbelievers. You could have in return said, thanks for praying for me, .........
    I don't see anything wrong with the last sentence " May ALLAH show u the right way", what he said before is could be due to he wasn't being serious. I agree with you that sometime it does leave bad impression on faith, but hey everyone is not perfect and you have allow for concession in some cases.



    Anyway


    The comment was blatantly condescending and immature.

    I tried to debate the existence of God on Ummah and had people saying "I hope you find Allah but I won't bother listening to a disbeliever" (the "k" word was chucked in there, I don't know what it really means or if it is an offence). The whole notion is very condescending and immature, and that's obvious though.

    We had a Christian man who said in the newspaper that he felt "sad" for disbelievers because they were living "arbitrary lives" assuming that people who don't believe in their God, with no proof, are living lives of no purpose, which couldn't be more from the truth.

    Religious people, by playing themselves as being holier-than-thou, are always going to be condescending in nature.
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #14 - February 24, 2010, 12:49 PM
    Quote from: xtr00 on February 24, 2010, 12:37 PM
    " May ALLAH show u the right way."

    Whoever that person was, he prayed to God to guide you, whats wrong with that? It is his belief and he offered his sympathy through praying to God to guide you and protect you from a torment that awaits unbelievers. You could have in return said, thanks for praying for me, .........
    I don't see anything wrong with the last sentence " May ALLAH show u the right way", what he said before is could be due to he wasn't being serious. I agree with you that sometime it does leave bad impression on faith, but hey everyone is not perfect and you have allow for concession in some cases.
    Anyway


    You cannot be unaware that its not the "May Allah Guide you" that I have a problem with - it's the laughing at my story where I talk about the death of my baby daughter.

    If he had ONLY said "May Allah guide you" I would have no problem.

    Do you think writing "HAAAAAAA my friend u fale in your test..." after talking about the death of my daughter, is fine?

    Why did you feel the need to defend this guy after such a clearly nasty comment?

    Do you think I am wrong in saying his comment was nasty?

    Or are you just saying the last part was OK.

    If so, thank you for you observation - but I was aware of that (even though it didn't square with with the first part.)



  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #15 - February 24, 2010, 12:52 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on February 24, 2010, 12:39 PM
    There were indeed some vary nasty comments posted as a response to your video, some even worse than the one you mentioned.


    Yes - I only posted this one as it is the latest and I just saw it.

    Quote from: Kenan on February 24, 2010, 12:39 PM
    Imho the posters of such comments feel personally offended by your rejection of what their whole lives are based on.

    Because they cannot muster a sensical response they try and do their best to offend you back. In a strange way they are actually acknowledging that your videos do make a difference. Such comments however do reflect poorly on them - they are essentially dehumanizing themselves.

    Don't let such crap bring you down - what you are doing is in fact making a difference.

    Your videos did help me to see things more clearly. Thanks Hassan!



    Thanks.
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #16 - February 24, 2010, 01:13 PM

    Hassan, sadly, to these bullies of cruelty, you are violating a primal taboo of such immensity that the blood in their veins becomes like lava, and the saliva in their mouth becomes like snakes venom, all because you dissent from Islam. In their eyes, their rhetoric is righteous and loving, because it is in defence of the religion, and they must be Allah's proxy bodyguard. These are the hazards of what you do. Like I said before, they like many others are conditioned by Islam in this way, since childhood. But still, as everyone knows, they are capable of sympathy and generosity too, because it is possible for Muslims to change.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #17 - February 24, 2010, 03:44 PM
    Yep, my Muslim friend has actually said to me "I think you are really good and possibly deserve heaven, but i still think you are going to hell because you do not believe in Allah or Islam. But also Muslims go to hell and some unbelievers so I don't know whether you will, it is up to Allah to decide." and then I was like "Why pass judgment already then of the fate of me after I die?" and he said "I want to save you from torment" and I was just like "Why didn't Allah just say be good? and not bring around religions which you have to join to go to heaven?" Seriously it's so mucked up I cannot see why people believe and follow this stuff, it's madness and IMO immoral in many instances. I personally say I wish you well and I have sympathy about your daughter, my granddad died this yr on 4th of Feb so I kind of get what you have been through. So blessings from me and my inner god (my moral guide) and I hope my other god (all that has, does and will exist) treats you well, for nature is very unpredictable and also not good or bad, it is however beautiful in many ways.  far away hug Afro Smiley.  thnkyu for the videos.
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #18 - February 24, 2010, 03:57 PM
    Quote from: xtr00 on February 24, 2010, 12:37 PM
    " May ALLAH show u the right way."

    Whoever that person was, he prayed to God to guide you, whats wrong with that? It is his belief and he offered his sympathy through praying to God to guide you and protect you from a torment that awaits unbelievers. You could have in return said, thanks for praying for me, .........
    I don't see anything wrong with the last sentence " May ALLAH show u the right way", what he said before is could be due to he wasn't being serious. I agree with you that sometime it does leave bad impression on faith, but hey everyone is not perfect and you have allow for concession in some cases.

    If someone was a Hindu, would you say thankyou if they said "May Bhagwan show u the right way" if you denied the claims of their religion.

    This instance would be worse for me than the example given, as I actually believe Islam to be dangerous, perverse & immoral unlike Hinduism  which you probably find dumb, but harmless.
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  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #19 - February 24, 2010, 04:05 PM
    Quote from: xtr00 on February 24, 2010, 12:37 PM
    " May ALLAH show u the right way."

    Whoever that person was, he prayed to God to guide you, whats wrong with that? It is his belief and he offered his sympathy through praying to God to guide you and protect you from a torment that awaits unbelievers. You could have in return said, thanks for praying for me, .........
    I don't see anything wrong with the last sentence " May ALLAH show u the right way", what he said before is could be due to he wasn't being serious. I agree with you that sometime it does leave bad impression on faith, but hey everyone is not perfect and you have allow for concession in some cases.

    Anyway


    You useless human being.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #20 - February 24, 2010, 04:06 PM
    @ billy

    Quote
    That's true Kenan. Remember, Islam is the only religion or belief system in the world that mandates murder for apostacy. With other religions, if you reject them, fellow adherents may express dissapointment and dismay, they maye even express derision, but Islam is the only religion that says you must be murdered. This has an effect beyond the horror of what it actually is - it fructifies the social taboo of criticism and dissent from Islam to such an extent that terror reigns and thuggish intimidation is righteous and acceptable against anyone who deviates from the bully boy 'acceptable' version of things. Otherwise sane, pleasent men and women can become, well, I'm sure you have seen and heard it yourself.


    You just made a factual error. Islam is NOT the only religion in the world where death was prescribed for apostasy.. Unless by religion, you mean religion as practiced rather than religion as prescribed in holy books...

    Come to think of it... the death for apostasy is not even in Islam's holy book, the Quran.
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  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #21 - February 24, 2010, 04:11 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 24, 2010, 12:20 PM
    Islam has conditioned them to be like that. It has concealed their sympathy and humanity.


    Are you guys for real? Honestly some of the stuff you come out with...

    Hassan, did Islam conceal your sympathy and humanity? Did it condition you to become an uncaring idiot towards non-beleivers? Or would you say Islam played a role in making you the decent human being you are today? - it's a sincere question.

    Anyways I'm sure people like him (the person who left the comment) do not represent most Muslims - indeed I often see a lot of nice comments from Muslims on your site Hassan.
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #22 - February 24, 2010, 04:12 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 24, 2010, 04:06 PM
    @ billy

    You just made a factual error. Islam is NOT the only religion in the world where death was prescribed for apostasy.. Unless by religion, you mean religion as practiced rather than religion as prescribed in holy books...

    Come to think of it... the death for apostasy is not even in Islam's holy book, the Quran.



    In the modern era it is. Can you tell me which other religion, either by enunciation or by common practise, deems rejection of it to be worthy of being murdered?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #23 - February 24, 2010, 04:14 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on February 24, 2010, 04:11 PM
    Are you guys for real? Honestly some of the stuff you come out with...

    yep
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on February 24, 2010, 04:11 PM
    Hassan, did Islam conceal your sympathy and humanity? Did it condition you to become an uncaring idiot towards non-beleivers? Or would you say Islam played a role in making you the decent human being you are today? - it's a sincere question.

    I would say Islam played no part and if anything the negative parts. In fact it was humanism brought about by our collective understanding of right & wrong that played the largest parts in our ethics (and yours unbeknownst to you)
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  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #24 - February 24, 2010, 04:15 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on February 24, 2010, 04:11 PM
    Are you guys for real? Honestly some of the stuff you come out with...


    Yes, I am for real. Islam conceals basic humanity and sympathy amongst some Muslims - that is why Hassan was mocked and baited by them. Islam concealed their sympathy and humanity.

    Not all Muslims have their sympathy concealed by religion though. Men and women are great - they can often see past what they have been conditioned to think and the reflexes they have been embeded with - this is the triumph of being human.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #25 - February 24, 2010, 04:23 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 24, 2010, 01:13 PM
    Hassan, sadly, to these bullies of cruelty, you are violating a primal taboo of such immensity that the blood in their veins becomes like lava, and the saliva in their mouth becomes like snakes venom, all because you dissent from Islam. In their eyes, their rhetoric is righteous and loving, because it is in defence of the religion, and they must be Allah's proxy bodyguard. These are the hazards of what you do. Like I said before, they like many others are conditioned by Islam in this way, since childhood. But still, as everyone knows, they are capable of sympathy and generosity too, because it is possible for Muslims to change.


    Billy, honestly you have no idea what your talking about. You often make posts like these that makes me think you have mental health issues (no offence). My advice to you would be to stop reading the Sun and go out and meet as many Muslims as you can rather than describe a very tiny minority of Muslims in your general posts. You seem to know the sadistic Muslim psyche so well - but were never even a Muslim yourself. Didn't you become interested in Islam because of a woman and then decided the religion was not for you when the relationship ended? I hardly think this gives you the right to come out with the utter nonsense you do in some of your posts.

    This is not a personal attack on you - I can tell you're an intelligent guy. But some of your posts does make me think what exactly goes on in that head of yours.
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  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #26 - February 24, 2010, 04:25 PM
    Quote
    Billy, honestly you have no idea what your talking about. You often make posts like these that makes me think you have mental health issues (no offence). My advice to you would be to stop reading the Sun and go out and meet as many Muslims as you can rather than describe a very tiny minority of Muslims in your general posts. You seem to know the sadistic Muslim psyche so well - but were never even a Muslim yourself. Didn't you become interested in Islam because of a woman and then decided the religion was not for you when the relationship ended? I hardly think this gives you the right to come out with the utter nonsense you do in some of your posts.

    This is not a personal attack on you - I can tell you're an intelligent guy. But some of your posts does make me think what exactly goes on in that head of yours.


    Thanks for proving my point  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #27 - February 24, 2010, 04:26 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 24, 2010, 04:14 PM
    yepI would say Islam played no part and if anything the negative parts. In fact it was humanism brought about by our collective understanding of right & wrong that played the largest parts in our ethics (and yours unbeknownst to you)


    My question was for Hassan not you - I already knew what your answer would be.
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #28 - February 24, 2010, 04:26 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on February 24, 2010, 04:23 PM
    Billy, honestly you have no idea what your talking about. You often make posts like these that makes me think you have mental health issues (no offence). My advice to you would be to stop reading the Sun and go out and meet as many Muslims as you can rather than describe a very tiny minority of Muslims in your general posts. You seem to know the sadistic Muslim psyche so well - but were never even a Muslim yourself. Didn't you become interested in Islam because of a woman and then decided the religion was not for you when the relationship ended? I hardly think this gives you the right to come out with the utter nonsense you do in some of your posts.

    This is not a personal attack on you - I can tell you're an intelligent guy. But some of your posts does make me think what exactly goes on in that head of yours.


    For a guy who believes that the scribblings of a murderous desert pedophile is the word of the divine creator himself you should be the last one talking of mental health issues....
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this?
     Reply #29 - February 24, 2010, 04:26 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 24, 2010, 04:12 PM

    In the modern era it is. Can you tell me which other religion, either by enunciation or by common practise, deems rejection of it to be worthy of being murdered?


    I'm sure you were a very bad Christian billy... you never read your Bible.

    Where else do you think the Church got the idea of death for heresy from? It's all in the Holy Bible.

    Check out Deuteronomy 13: 6-16. These verses discuss what should be done to heretics. They should be killed without giving them the slightest chance to repent. In fact, if a whole city commited heresy then the city should be burned down with all its people and never rebuilt.
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2013:%206-16&version=NIV

    Anyway, given that even working on a Saturday or being a naughty kid, or disrespecting a priest, etc, etc deserves death/stoning to death, that shouldn't be surprising.
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