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  • 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     OP - February 25, 2010, 05:06 AM

    Hi all

    What I have notice here in few days is that some ex-muslims does not like a straight response from muslims. They don't like an opinion that describe them that they are on wrong path, instead of rejecting the opinion, they hit back with harsh comments and acting like child with no brain.

    I have also noticed that most ex-muslims are on same side and share same idea. If you do that then why blame musilms for sharing same idea?. I am referring to threat created by Hassan "Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this? ". Let me ask you all why do some ex-muslim show hostility toward muslims?

    If you can answer the question above, then you should have answer to this question aswell "Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this? ".

    Some useless comments by fellow members of this forum, which they think they are better then muslims.

    This was my opinion:

    "Religion is virus for those who prefers this life and wants no barrier or law to stop them from doing anything. However it is guidance for those who seeks to know the Creator."

    Behold for attacks from non muslims (http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8860.16)

    Iblis (The name of satan)
    "Hi xtr00 Smiley

    I've been reading some of your posts since you joined and while I had a good time perusing them, I have come to the conclusion that you should start making worthwhile and non-comical posts and stop posting bullshit, otherwise you need to, as they say in Polynesia, "Shut the fuck up".

    Thanks for your attention. Smiley"

    Blackdog

    "I guess the time-limit on being polite has expired.

    Good let me roll up my sleeves and give you some of what I gave Arab Wannabe.

    1. *falls of chair, hit suddenly by a lighting bolt*"


    Aa (grow up and show some respect)

    "Muhammed was a raging closet homosexual, don't you agree with me?  Huh?"


    Kenan (Go ahead ask something complicated, i will answer it according to my capability and knowledge, may my Lord help me against you all and He alone is enough for me)
    "
    xtr00 should change his name to kope-wannabe. Lots of trolling with no substance. And he is in fact easy to shut up; just ask him something slightly more complicated - he will not respond. Btw xtr00 I am still waiting for your response in "how to wipe your ass" thread.

    Quote from: xtr00 on February 23, 2010, 05:52:31 PM
    Religion is virus for those who prefers this life and wants no barrier or law to stop them from doing anything.

    See xtr00 posting crap like this doesn't really help in case you want people to take you seriously. "


    Balthier (at least Balthier used his/her brain and responded without showing ignorance)

    "I think my moral boundaries are just fine, even as an ex-muslim. I do not need Allah or the Quran to tell me what is ethically wrong or right, I'm quite capable of doing so myself."



    billy (it is not necessary of you to insult what i believe in, show some respect)
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8866.msg222686#msg222686

    "You mean, the mad, sadistic, perverted serial-killer tortures that this evil cruel wicked entity called Allah plans for all of those who don't care for his sadistic and torturing and murderous punishments? No wonder so many believing Muslims are so cruel and sadistic in their rhetoric and speech towards 'kuffars', when the entity they worship has the morality and ethics of a sadistic, murdering, torturing serial killer and cannibal."



    Iblis (what have i done to you for calling me useless human being?, don't blame Muslims for hating you aswell, a childish comment)
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8866.msg222749#msg222749

    "You useless human being. "



    Hassan if you want answer to this question ""Why do 'some' Muslims/Believers do this? "."
    Then ask your fellow ex-muslim that why they show hostility towards muslims here.



    All I noticed here is that some of you guys want me to say something that pleases your heart. If i said something that displeases you, then immediately some of you show hostility.

    The conclusion is, you ain't better then us as you think some of you are, you have not gone to into light as you think you are. If you were i would have seen it, but what i have seen here is darkness.
    Most of you follow nothing but guess and If i obey you, you shall lead me astray aswell and will make me believe in your guess aswell.
    What i have seen here is what Allah warned me against in Quran:

    Quran
    [6.116] If you obeyed most of those on earth, they would lead you astray from the Path of Allah. They follow only supposition and they are but conjecturing.



    All i can say is if you want to have discussion with musilms here, then at least show some respect and show an example that should be followed and believed in. You have to convince us that what we follow is wrong, if some of you act like ignorance and insulting religion and personal attacks, then it ain't going to work.

    I warn Muslims here to not have discussion with you all until you guys stop insulting Allah and His names, as we are told by Allah to stay away from those who insult His names.

    Quran
    [7.180] To Allah belongs the Finest Names, so call Him by them, and keep away from those who pervert them.

    Do you guys have any guts to make a covenant that you shall not insult Allah and His names?
    Show us your proposal as well and we shall come to common terms and debate like humans. Or else if you guys fail to make any covenant then these debates will just becomes like dogs biting dogs and no purpose at all.




    Peace
    my apologies for any spelling and grammar mistakes..
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #1 - February 25, 2010, 05:17 AM

    My apologies. I've been having a few bad days. They'll probably ban me soon, so its all good.  Afro

    I think your loyalty to Islam is cute and quaint, keep on a truckin. Smiley

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #2 - February 25, 2010, 06:29 AM

    xtr00, I think its a give & take situation, if you show respect to the ex muslims we will show respect back to you, but if you say that we all left islam simply to enjoy the pleasures of this life, this will offend many of us and you'll get some nasty comments back. None of the ex muslims here that I know of left islam only to enjoy this life, we all had long thoughts about islam, we analyzed all the evidence, and when we found how ridiculous it all was we finally left it. It was hardly an easy or a happy decision for many of us who still have muslim families, I know of at least 2 members here who were disowned by their families when they left Islam. Do you think anyone would make such a decision without a LOT of careful thinking? This is why some people were offended.

    If you want to be shown respect then try to be friendly to us and talk to us more intelligently and give us more logical arguments, don't just accuse us of doing something without giving any explanation of your accusation or you'll be thought of as a troll.
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #3 - February 25, 2010, 07:07 AM

    @xtr00

    Even though (as I mentioned) I'm apologetic and sorry for how I treated you... you have to admit that some of the shit you were posting was really stupid, even for a Muslim!!

    lol

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #4 - February 25, 2010, 07:58 AM

    Hi xtr00,

    I posted that thread to show my disgust at how "some" Muslims display such a mean-spirited and callous attitude towards the misfortune/tragedy of others.

    I lost my baby daughter - the guy commented "HAAAAAAA... you fail!"

    (That comment was only the latest example of the many - and much worse - comments I have had - some of which I have posted here so others were aware of them.)

    I clearly said that as a Muslim I would never have laughed at others misfortune - and said that most other Muslims I know wouldn't.

    I also clearly said it is representative of a certain type of Muslim.

    Your reply was quite disappointing to say the least. You ignored the utterly cruel and callous nature of his reply but focused on the benign part that was not the issue (apart from that is didn't sit well with what he just said.)

    Like I say most Muslims I know would not act so callous and cruel.

  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #5 - February 25, 2010, 08:19 AM

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    Aa (grow up and show some respect)

    "Muhammed was a raging closet homosexual, don't you agree with me?  Huh?"

    Sorry, i was a bit harsh... on muhammad  Tongue

    But we already have more than enough evidence to convict him of being a mass murderer, armed robber and slaver trader as well as being the cynical creator of scriptures that he must have known were faked for his own convenience and personal aggrandizement.  Smiley

    Edit: Also I have no respect for muhammed whatsoever  Afro
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #6 - February 25, 2010, 08:24 AM

    Sorry, i was a bit harsh... on muhammad  Tongue


    You can never be too harsh on Mo. Wink

    Quote
    But we already have more than enough evidence to convict him of being a mass murderer, armed robber and slaver trader as well as being the cynical creator of scriptures that he must have known were faked for his own convenience and personal aggrandizement.  Smiley


     yes

    Quote
    Edit: Also I have no respect for muhammed whatsoever  Afro


    dance Afro


    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #7 - February 25, 2010, 08:25 AM

    I notice xtr00 never answered my questions... he simply retorted by the usual crap that I have some veil of ignorance while he ran away....

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #8 - February 25, 2010, 08:27 AM

    You can never be too harsh on Mo. Wink


    I simply think that he was a typical product of his environment.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #9 - February 25, 2010, 08:31 AM

    I simply think that he was a typical product of his environment.


    I used to also. But then I read history. People did lots of nasty shit back then, but never as nasty as the mindfuck, manipulation, and bigotry that Mo inflicted on mankind. Even Genghis Khan respected freedom of religion - he wanted to control land and bitches.... not have his people kiss his ass 5 times a day. Genghis Khan was mentally healthy. Mo wasn't.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #10 - February 25, 2010, 09:57 AM

    I will never understand why muslims take such a great personal offense when someone insults God or Muhammad. Back when the Danish cartoons were published I was still a fervent muslim and was bewildered by the reactions. Who cares what others think or do? They don't harm you personally, so just let it go. Surely God and Muhammad are past caring. And since I was a muslim I thought "those Danish heathen will be punished for what they've done in the afterlife, so what do I care?"

    Also, it's surprising (to say the least) that someone would register to an EX-Muslims forum and manage to be so butt-hurt whenever he reads something her doesn't like.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #11 - February 25, 2010, 10:04 AM


    Also, it's surprising (to say the least) that someone would register to an EX-Muslims forum and manage to be so butt-hurt whenever he reads something her doesn't like.


     Cheesy  I know, right? 

    It's like me joining stormfront and being upset about the racism, and moaning about it to the members there........as if they even cared.  Tongue

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #12 - February 25, 2010, 10:14 AM

    ras11
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    I simply think that he was a typical product of his environment.


    I would greatly appreciate  ras11 explaining the readers    the environment Prophet of Islam grew up and how is a TYPICAL PRODUCT?? Clearly one has to go History of Arabia in Prophet's time


    To start with  here is Chronological History  of life of Prophet of Islam
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    571: Birth of the Holy Prophet.  Year of the Elephant. Invasion of Makkah by Abraha the Viceroy of Yemen, his retreat.
    577: The Holy Prophet visits Madina with his mother. Death of his mother.
    580: Death of Abdul Muttalib, the grandfather of the Holy Prophet.
    583: The Holy Prophet's journey to Syria in the company of his uncle Abu Talib. His meeting with the monk Bahira at Bisra who foretells of his prophethood.
    586: The Holy Prophet participates in the war of Fijar.
    591: The Holy Prophet becomes an active member of "Hilful Fudul", a league for the relief of the distressed.
    594: The Holy Prophet becomes the Manager of the business of Lady Khadija, and leads her trade caravan to Syria and back.
    595: The Holy Prophet marries Hadrat Khadija. Seventh century
    605: The Holy Prophet arbitrates in a dispute among the Quraish about the placing of the Black Stone in the Kaaba.
    610: The first revelation in the cave at Mt. Hira. The Holy Prophet is commissioned as the Messenger of God.
    613: Declaration at Mt. Sara inviting the general public to Islam.

    614: Invitation to the Hashimites to accept Islam.
    615: Persecution of the Muslims by the Quraish. A party of Muslims leaves for Abyssinia.
    616: Second Hijrah to Abysinnia.
    617: Social boycott of the Hashimites and the Holy Prophet by the Quraish. The Hashimites are shut up in a glen outside Makkah.
    619: Lifting of the boycott. Deaths of Abu Talib and Hadrat Khadija. Year of sorrow.
    620: Journey to Taif. Ascension to the heavens.
    621: First pledge at Aqaba.
    622: Second pledge at Aqaba. The Holy Prophet and the Muslims migrate to Yathrib.
    623: Nakhla expedition.
    624: Battle of Badr. Expulsion of the Bani Qainuqa Jews from Madina.
    625: Battle of Uhud. Massacre of 70 Muslims at Bir Mauna. Expulsion of Banu Nadir Jews from Madina. Second expedition of Badr.
    626: Expedition of Banu Mustaliq.
    627: Battle of the Trench. Expulsion of Banu Quraiza Jews.
    628: Truce of Hudaibiya. Expedition to Khyber. The Holy Prophet addresses letters to various heads of states.
    629: The Holy Prophet performs the pilgrimage at Makkah. Expedition to Muta (Romans).
    630: Conquest of Makkah. Battles of Hunsin, Auras, and Taif.
    631: Expedition to Tabuk. Year of Deputations.
    632: Farewell pilgrimage at Makkah.
    632: Death of the Holy Prophet.Election of Hadrat Abu Bakr as the Caliph. Usamah leads expedition to Syria. Battles of Zu Qissa and Abraq. Battles of Buzakha, Zafar and Naqra. Campaigns against Bani Tamim and Musailima, the Liar.  


    That is complete life of prophet., So from that ras11 could take year by year account and explain the reader" how he is a TYPICAL PRODUCT of that environment"  and what is wrong with it

    with best regards
    yeezevee


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #13 - February 25, 2010, 10:19 AM

    First of all I stated this as my opinion, not as a fact, which means I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.  The Arabian tribes were constantly feuding with each other and Muhammad was not the only person to claim to be a prophet.  I believe there are references of the Meccan's making fun of Muhammad because of they were familiar with this.  Given the circumstances and judging from what I read, I am not surprised that a figure like Muhammad showed up.  The same way I am not surprised that a figure like Hitler showed up in the 1930's in German society of that time.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #14 - February 25, 2010, 11:39 AM


    Hello self-pitying victimhood seeker  Afro

    xtr00, I think it was Iblis that said he liked Muslims who give it straight up without any sophistry, who just say unashamedly what they believe - and you do that, so kudos to you for that. But you seem a little affronted and shocked that when you recite the spiel it gets laughed at, mocked, satirised and so on. I suppose you want what most orthodox and practising Muslim men want from the world when they get on their pulpit - silence and submission.

    Well, you're not going to get either of those here mate.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #15 - February 25, 2010, 12:00 PM

    Naerys
    Quote

    Also, it's surprising (to say the least) that someone would register to an EX-Muslims forum and manage to be so butt-hurt whenever he reads something her doesn't like.


    Naerys, I was not butt-hurt and I did not started speaking harsh language, it was some of you guys who started showing hostility and using inappropriate language. If you don't believe me, then read my response and your fellow friends aswell.

    Hassan, first of all my reply was just related to the comment, i did not see any of your videos. I agree with you that sort of comment was not necessary, but hey you can't expect to find every light bulb to be perfect in a batch.


    General comment to those who accused Muhammad Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him of all the crimes, If i ask you to prove it, you will never be able to prove it, and i can't prove it aswell that he is innocent. So let the past stay as it is, and stop accusing  other of the crimes which we have not seen through our own eyes.


    I appreciate all of you for your opinions.


    Please DONT ignore the following:

    However, I noticed another flaws with you guys, that none of you had any guts to make a simple covenant. Now being as an ex-muslim don't you trust your self at all?. If you can't, then I would say even that some pagans 1400 years ago were better and made a covenant with Muslims to not show hostility and to not disrespect each other.

    Or You can all simply say that Muslims are not welcome in this form, then I will leave by the door I came in, and won't look back.

    ------------------------------
    Just alone Allah is enough for me.
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #16 - February 25, 2010, 12:09 PM

  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #17 - February 25, 2010, 12:14 PM


    General comment to those who accused Muhammad Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him of all the crimes, If i ask you to prove it, you will never be able to prove it, and i can't prove it aswell that he is innocent. So let the past stay as it is, and stop accusing  other of the crimes which we have not seen through our own eyes.


    This crimes are recorded in Islamic sources and anyway you are only too happy to believe in someone whom neither you nor anyone who lived with him 1400 years ago saw speaking to angels in a cave.  


    However, I noticed another flaws with you guys, that none of you had any guts to make a simple covenant. Now being as an ex-muslim don't you trust your self at all?. If you can't, then I would say even that some pagans 1400 years ago were better and made a covenant with Muslims to not show hostility and to not disrespect each other.


    You believe in a religion that disrespects them.  Why should they be obliged to make one?


    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #18 - February 25, 2010, 12:30 PM

    Look xtr00 if you don't want to participate in this forum then simply stop posting.
    But please don’t be all emo fag and drama queen about it.

    But if you want respect you will have to earn it.

    And yeah I am still waiting for your response in "how to wipe your ass" thread.
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #19 - February 25, 2010, 12:37 PM

    However, I noticed another flaws with you guys, that none of you had any guts to make a simple covenant. Now being as an ex-muslim don't you trust your self at all?. If you can't, then I would say even that some pagans 1400 years ago were better and made a covenant with Muslims to not show hostility and to not disrespect each other.


    Hi xtr00, I didn't understand this bit - could you explain - genuine question.
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #20 - February 25, 2010, 12:40 PM

    If you can't, then I would say even that some pagans 1400 years ago were better and made a covenant with Muslims to not show hostility and to not disrespect each other.

    Not really, Islam is an ideology and on a forum that proudly boasts free speech, we are entitiled to be critical towards it

    Quote
    Or You can all simply say that Muslims are not welcome in this form, then I will leave by the door I came in, and won't look back.

    Of course they are welcome!   No-one has said you are not, we have only criticised the ideology not you as a muslim.

    I only wish muslim forums would criticise our ideologies yet allow us the same priviledge - sadly they dont, so please dont whine about this forum.

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  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #21 - February 25, 2010, 12:45 PM

    xtr00 - most of us would be (and have been) banned from Muslim forums for giving an opposing view.

    You have not - nor will be - banned for giving an opposing view.

    Think about it!
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #22 - February 25, 2010, 12:48 PM

    ras111  gives right response
    Quote
    First of all I stated this as my opinion, not as a fact, which means I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.

    No..No.. you are NOT wrong dear ras111., In fact you are on the right track and asking/exploring right questions. Your  opinions are indeed very important for people like myself and other readers..

    anyways,  let me put your next word in points which are the basic for origin of Islam.

    Quote
    1). The Arabian tribes were constantly feuding with each other and Muhammad was not the only person to claim to be a prophet.  

    2). I believe there are references of the Meccan's making fun of Muhammad because of they were familiar with this.  Given the circumstances and judging from what I read, I am not surprised that a figure like Muhammad showed up.

    3).  The same way I am not surprised that a figure like Hitler showed up in the 1930's in German society of that time.

    So those are the very important three points that need to explored, proved with PROPER HISTORICAL REFERENCES,  that   what Prophet of Islam did at that time was NOT REALLY WRONG.,

     next are the questions.,

    1). So what he did during that time is Not  wrong., Does that mean Quran is word of Allah/God??  

    2). Other serious problem is, What words of Prophet Muhammad in those 23 years or so went in to Quran and what words if his went in to Hadith?   How do we differentiate these things.,

    3). Should we completely throw away Hadith?

    4). Can Quran stand on its own without any hadith??

    Those are my problems I have dear ras111., Please do not consider I am questioning your views on Islam, Quran and Muhammad ., This is just a discussion to learn and teach..

    with best regards
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #23 - February 25, 2010, 04:08 PM

    Quote
    General comment to those who accused Muhammad Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him of all the crimes, If i ask you to prove it, you will never be able to prove it, and i can't prove it aswell that he is innocent. So let the past stay as it is, and stop accusing  other of the crimes which we have not seen through our own eyes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exz5kT47P2sv
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #24 - February 25, 2010, 04:15 PM

    However, I noticed another flaws with you guys, that none of you had any guts to make a simple covenant. Now being as an ex-muslim don't you trust your self at all?. If you can't, then I would say even that some pagans 1400 years ago were better and made a covenant with Muslims to not show hostility and to not disrespect each other.

    The last time somebody made a covenant with Muslims, they got torched inside Medina.  Thanks for the offer, but you can keep your covenant.

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  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #25 - February 25, 2010, 07:55 PM


    Yeah that was what I was thinking - this 'covenant' thing - xtr00's posts kind of sum up the problem with many Muslims - their heads are stuck in a world one thousand and four hundred years ago - relating the modern world to what happened with 'pagans' in Arabia a full FOURTEEN centuries ago in a city in the desert.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #26 - February 26, 2010, 03:00 AM

    ras111  gives right response No..No.. you are NOT wrong dear ras111., In fact you are on the rig
    1). So what he did during that time is Not  wrong., Does that mean Quran is word of Allah/God??


    There is no 'right' and 'wrong'.  That is a purely subjective issue based on one's stance and views.  I was talking about this from a purely political point of view.  The Arabs of the peninsula had been living there for centuries, they were ethnically homogenous and they were also quite aware of this and thus had an identity without the need of a state, unlike other peoples.  The building blocks were there for someone to come and use them to build something in the name of a concept.  In this case Muhammad managed to achieve this by claiming prophet hood given to him by an ethnic Arabic god, who spoke Arabic and unite all the tribes.  Muhammad found the right concept to unite them and start a tsunami, otherwise he was probably not that much different from other warlords and self proclaimed prophets of his time.

    No it does not mean that the quran is divine or that it is the word of god, it is simply a product of this fusion of the tribes under the concept of an Arabic god.
      
    2). Other serious problem is, What words of Prophet Muhammad in those 23 years or so went in to Quran and what words if his went in to Hadith?   How do we differentiate these things.,

    3). Should we completely throw away Hadith?


    My argument has nothing to do with the hadiths


    4). Can Quran stand on its own without any hadith??


    I don't think the quran is enough

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #27 - February 26, 2010, 04:11 AM

    Look xtr00 if you don't want to participate in this forum then simply stop posting.
    But please don’t be all emo fag and drama queen about it.


     Cheesy

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #28 - February 26, 2010, 04:34 AM

    However, I noticed another flaws with you guys, that none of you had any guts to make a simple covenant. Now being as an ex-muslim don't you trust your self at all?. If you can't, then I would say even that some pagans 1400 years ago were better and made a covenant with Muslims to not show hostility and to not disrespect each other.

    Or You can all simply say that Muslims are not welcome in this form, then I will leave by the door I came in, and won't look back.

    Actually in this forum 'free speech' is allowed, so while you have the freedom to preach at us, tell us how faulty we are, we're going to hell, etc, we have the freedom to make fun of you in return.

    If you don't want us to make fun of you etc, then make more meaningful posts and we'll be nice to you in return too. But if you simply preach at us we'll make fun of it because its simply funny to us.

    Muslims are definitely welcome here otherwise you would be banned by now like i was banned from ummah.com just for mentioning i was an ex muslim.
  • Re: 'some' Ex-musilms shows hostility towards muslim in this forum
     Reply #29 - February 26, 2010, 04:37 AM

    Muslims are definitely welcome here otherwise you would be banned by now like i was banned from ummah.com just for mentioning i was an ex muslim.


    Reciprocity and tolerance of divergent views in something alien to Islam. You can't blame the musulman for following Islam. Wink

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

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